Poll: what is the optimal length for a cycle??

[georgie12]

Hi guys
I need your opinions on this subject....what is the optimal length for a bulker and a cutter cycle??

I noticed that after week 10, on a bulker not only I don't have any increase on my results but I also start getting diminishing results (eg gaining FAT weight)...need your experience thanks

 

[joh]

6 weeks with SHORT easthers.

 

[YAMAHA147]

Hi guys
I noticed that after week 10, on a bulker not only I don't have any increase on my results but I also start getting diminishing results (eg gaining FAT weight)...need your experience thanks

What are you running? What does your diet look like? How is your training? There can be many different factors that are affecting your progress. Lay it out for us

 

[Seattleborn206]

6 weeks with SHORT easthers.

I agree with this

 

[GradeABeef]

I did 7 weeks with tren ace. That was great but was gaining so much mass at the end I wished I would have went another week.
I hear about people doing over 12 weeks of tren and 16 weeks of test.
I think both are way too long. Recovery is hard.
I would say test 8-10 weeks is good.

 

[GradeABeef]

I want to do a 10 week test prop (300mg/w) and 8 week tren ace (300mg/w)
I would start the test first and after two weeks add the tren.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I agree with this

6 weeks, but the ester is irrelevant. You can reach max enhancement levels with an oral kickstart.

 

[joh]

6 weeks, but the ester is irrelevant. You can reach max enhancement levels with an oral kickstart.

I agree with the kikstart but short esthers clear faster too so you get into recovery faster. No wating for the long esthers to clear.
When one is on HRT like you Nelson this is not as important probably but it is for me as i want to go into pct week 7 rather than week 9.

 

[dylangemelli]

it just depends on what you are running... i prefer shorter... 6-8 range but if your running something like primo, you need 12 weeks to get the best results... it just depends... i like shorter recovery times myself because im always anxious to move on to the next thing... so its just dependent upon what your running...

 

[RickRock13]

I've always liked short 6 week cycles, but I'm getting ready to try my first long one at 12 weeks and see how that goes.

One benefit from the longer cycles is that its more time to solidify gains

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I agree with what Nelson says but Im to thick headed to do things that way. (hey, at least I admit it)

Depends on your goals entirely. If I were to run primo or something to that effect then I'd run no less than 14-16 weeks probably.
Any short ester like prop or tren then 6-8 weeks. Besides ED or EOD pinning gets really old.
Unless you go no ester like test or tren suspension then you can go shotgun cycles of 3 weeks or so. But your looking at multiple daily injections and thats something very advanced that im sure no one here does. (including me) Plus test suspension is hard to fins and tren suspension is virtually impossible.

Long esters like test E,C, ect...I would personally not go less than 12 weeks.
If your diet is in check I cant see where you would actually start gaining fat? Unless your not using an AI and your estro/water retention gets out of hand at that point.

Short 6 week cycles just means your going to want to do more of them. Yes you might recover easier but you have to run more PCT's which will cost you more money. I think a few 6 week cycles and pct's a year along with costof it all would be more of a hassle then one 14-16 week cycle and a more in depth pct.
Either one long cycle will make you take more time to recover or you'll have to try and recover a bunch of times instead.

...and if your saying well what if I only do one or two 6 wk cycles a year....thats not gonna happen trust me. It will get into more and more.

 

[RickRock13]

I agree with what Nelson says but Im to thick headed to do things that way. (hey, at least I admit it)

Depends on your goals entirely. If I were to run primo or something to that effect then I'd run no less than 14-16 weeks probably.
Any short ester like prop or tren then 6-8 weeks. Besides ED or EOD pinning gets really old.
Unless you go no ester like test or tren suspension then you can go shotgun cycles of 3 weeks or so. But your looking at multiple daily injections and thats something very advanced that im sure no one here does. (including me) Plus test suspension is hard to fins and tren suspension is virtually impossible.

Long esters like test E,C, ect...I would personally not go less than 12 weeks.
If your diet is in check I cant see where you would actually start gaining fat? Unless your not using an AI and your estro/water retention gets out of hand at that point.

Short 6 week cycles just means your going to want to do more of them. Yes you might recover easier but you have to run more PCT's which will cost you more money. I think a few 6 week cycles and pct's a year along with costof it all would be more of a hassle then one 14-16 week cycle and a more in depth pct.
Either one long cycle will make you take more time to recover or you'll have to try and recover a bunch of times instead.

...and if your saying well what if I only do one or two 6 wk cycles a year....thats not gonna happen trust me. It will get into more and more.

Great post bro. Lots of great info there, and I agree with you on all counts!

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I agree with what Nelson says but Im to thick headed to do things that way. (hey, at least I admit it)

Depends on your goals entirely. If I were to run primo or something to that effect then I'd run no less than 14-16 weeks probably.
Any short ester like prop or tren then 6-8 weeks. Besides ED or EOD pinning gets really old.
Unless you go no ester like test or tren suspension then you can go shotgun cycles of 3 weeks or so. But your looking at multiple daily injections and thats something very advanced that im sure no one here does. (including me) Plus test suspension is hard to fins and tren suspension is virtually impossible.

Long esters like test E,C, ect...I would personally not go less than 12 weeks.
If your diet is in check I cant see where you would actually start gaining fat? Unless your not using an AI and your estro/water retention gets out of hand at that point.

Short 6 week cycles just means your going to want to do more of them. Yes you might recover easier but you have to run more PCT's which will cost you more money. I think a few 6 week cycles and pct's a year along with costof it all would be more of a hassle then one 14-16 week cycle and a more in depth pct.
Either one long cycle will make you take more time to recover or you'll have to try and recover a bunch of times instead.

...and if your saying well what if I only do one or two 6 wk cycles a year....thats not gonna happen trust me. It will get into more and more.

Sorry, I got rambling and missed one of the big points I was going to make.....
Doing multipe 6 wk cycles a year...even if you dont mind hassle and cost is going to take you on multiple hormonal roller coasters of stress to your system, shut down, recover, shut down, recover, ect ect... over and over.
I know for myself personally I wouldnt want that. But its each's own body and mine is not to criticize your choice of cycle length unless you set your cycle and pct up like a jackass because you havnt done your research on wtf it is your doing at all then its open season on your ass

 

[joeblow12345]

Cycle length os based on your goals. I prefer 12-16 week cycles as I feel these are best for me. Some choose shorter or longer cycles and thats fine if it meets their needs. As long as your cycling smart then your ok.

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[Nelson Montana]

I agree with the kikstart but short esthers clear faster too so you get into recovery faster. No wating for the long esthers to clear.
When one is on HRT like you Nelson this is not as important probably but it is for me as i want to go into pct week 7 rather than week 9.

I disagree. Longer tapers give a natural taper as opposed to sudden halt.

 

[joh]

I disagree. Longer tapers give a natural taper as opposed to sudden halt.

The benefits of being on less in my mind outweight the benefits of slow taper. Do i not know something you nelson? Can you share? I

 

[georgie12]

For me optimal length is 10 weeks irrespective of the esters...it's neither short nor long and it's what I would call my sweet spot....after the 10th week whether I'm on test cyp or enath rsults diminish and if I continue eating I gain only fat.

 

[MBdominate66]

um i really think it would depend on your choice of esters. um short esters for example prop or sustanon should be between 6-10 weeks because the effects are almost instant. but if ur using a longer ester test like enanthate or running eq your cycle should be between 12-20 weeks.. may sound extreme to most but depending on the person or gear these compounds can take anywhere from 4-6 weeks to actually kick in and start working maybe longer. especailly eq. if your eq is legit may not kick for 6-8 weeks

 

[burnthiscorpse]

um i really think it would depend on your choice of esters. um short esters for example prop or sustanon should be between 6-10 weeks because the effects are almost instant. but if ur using a longer ester test like enanthate or running eq your cycle should be between 12-20 weeks.. may sound extreme to most but depending on the person or gear these compounds can take anywhere from 4-6 weeks to actually kick in and start working maybe longer. especailly eq. if your eq is legit may not kick for 6-8 weeks

Sustanon is the longest lasting test out there. 6 weeks of sust will barely get you into peak blood levels. Yes it has prop in it but people make too much out of the 30mg of prop in it. I think a lot of people don't really understand sust. Sust was designed for hrt to only need a pin every 2 weeks. I personally have cruised on 1ml of sust e2w and it really does a nice even taper up til about day 13. The prop and phenyl prop are there to get your blood levels up quicker and get you feeling the effects sooner. I used to be a sust guy and many love it but its really not super ideal imho. If your after around 800-850mg test a week then 1ml eod will do you just fine. If your going m/w/f and looking for 750mg wk then its pretty good too.

 

[ALIN]

Hi guys
I need your opinions on this subject....what is the optimal length for a bulker and a cutter cycle??

I noticed that after week 10, on a bulker not only I don't have any increase on my results but I also start getting diminishing results (eg gaining FAT weight)...need your experience thanks

My opinion is best results are 8 week minimum even with short acting esters.

 

[MBdominate66]

yes i agree. what i usually do is i run my enanthate and then use prop for six weeks until my enanthate kicks then just run my enan as my test base. I have ran sust only because it was easier to run since it has the lon and short esters(prop)... but the 30 mgs of prop just isnt enough for me considering how much i love the effect of prop. i honestly would run prop instead of sust or enanthat but shooting that shit everyday would be both costly and annoying lol..

 

[SpyWizard]

am i one of the old timers that will still run a 16 week cycle??

wow

 

[SpyWizard]

my upcoming is

1-16 500 mg test e
1-4 50mg dbol
5-13 50mg var

I'll run 3iu gh 2 months before, then 5 eod for the cycle, then 3iu for a total of 6 months

i'll also be doing 20mg gw 501516 ed for 30 days front and end..

but i'll enjoy the summer for sure..

500 iu hcg 2x week starting at week 5..

 

[MBdominate66]

nope...16-20 is my range.. ive done it safely and with great success

 

[TravFlex91]

12-20 weeks all day