Police beating in Irvine CA

[chesty]

I can't believe that the news media and these idiots are playing the race card again. The dumbass had a suspended license and expired plates. His son lunged at the cops and from the video I see nothing excessive about it. The worst part is; without the entire incident on tape all you have is suposition as to what occured earlier. A very bad thing.

Cnn reports that one officer "appears" to be black and the others white. How does one appear to be black, yet all others are definitely white?

This was not racially motivated. It is a case of suspects acting foolish and a tourist looking for a quick buck and fame.

These are the same people that would scream for the cops if they were being robbed or attacked. Remember the old saying don't bite the hand that feeds you. In this case, protects you.

And after 4 years on the streets as a Sheriff's Deputy, I can tell you this, I never once was accused of racism and I put many a black in jail. But, when one of our black Deputies would arrest a black suspect he always got accused of being racist. "You did this cause I'm black" is what we almost always heard.

I hope this gets dismissed quickly.

1. He was dragged by an 18 inch chain around his neck until it broke? Was it his little gold chain or a big chain? If a big one he would be dead, if a small one there should be marks on his neck. They mention nothing of that injury, but sure recall all the others.

2. This officers lt. should be fired. She is not supporting her officer. Her statement that this video is disturbing is just ludicrous. At best, she should have said nothing, and at worst still have said nothing.

3. This poor guy is about to be fillet just for sensationalism and to make a couple of worthless low lifes really rich. Just like Rodney King (another fine example of society)

Why don't we just disarm the police in CA, give them twizzle sticks and let them walk around and just video tape crimes and let the lawyers sort it out.

 

[supertech69]

People tend to forget that this kid is a fucking criminal. They're playing the race card & the fact that he's mildly retarded. My girlfriend works with kids of his exact nature, ths simply means that they are ignorant & lacking education. Kids of this nature can be very very strong, like someone jacked up on drugs. I'd say he probably got what he deserved! We see this shit in Cinci all the time, it's been going on for years now. The bottom line is, when a cop tells you to stop, fucking stop. If he tells you to put your hands above your head or some other place, do exactly that! Don;t go reaching for your wallet or smokes or anything else. These guys don't make enough money to chance their lives on them possibly reaching for a weapon. They don't have the liberty of waiting to see what he pulls out, it could be too late by then. Quit whinning about the way cops treat criminals & stop being a criminal & we wont have these problems!

 

[Filet]

American cops should adopt Latin American Police tactics.....
Cops here just dont f@#$ around......
You f@#$ around and you get a bullet or a extreme beating

 

[Torch]

I agree with most of what is said above but if 5 cops cant secure a kid with cuffs on without punching him in the face, we have some problems here.

Granted we only got to see the last part of what happened but come on people, no need to sucker punch the kid. Hold him down with force, take him to the ground, mash his face into the trunk of the car but to cock back and hit em was uncalled for. Makes them look like they were not in control of the situation by acting like that. He only weighs like a buck O five.

You just dont do that shit in L.A. after all the racial bullshit that is going on.

JMO

 

[casavant]

I saw that clip. I've never been a cop, but as someone who's bounced quite a bit I know how it goes trying to subdue someone. I also know that you can get fired up and get a little rough. That happens when you're used to dealing with assholes who are trying to hurt you on a regular basis. Cops are't automatoms, and we shouldn't expect them to be. I'm not saying we need to give them free reign, but if you make them worry too much about what's going to happen to them if they have to get a little physical, they're going to get hurt.

 

[Longhorn85]

I am as pro-cop as they come, and I don't know the whole story. From what I have seen, slamming a kid's head against the hood of a car appeared to be excessive, at least enough to warrant an investigation by the dept itself, not outside agencies.

I don't however, see how race was a factor at all.

 

[Y_lifter]

Apparently the kid was resisting/fighting "UnCuffed", and there is a chance of an officer being injured.
He did apparently attempt to assault an officer and was secured by multiple officers and in the process one was injured.
This is the time for officers to use necessary force to control the situation.
Be that force a Pile on of officers, a wrist lock, a PR24 to the Solar Plexus, Lower body joints or whatever he can hit below the neck, a knee in the back or even deadly force.

Are you telling me it is right for Police to use excessive force AFTER the suspect is handcuffed and surrounded by 5 officers?

Training teaches to use excessive Verbal or Physical actions to set the tone of the engagement only when we are in a dangerous, sole officer responding or out of control situation.

I would say from the post custody video I saw and the reports from unbiased witnesses, this situation was not any of the above.

This individual be he Black, White, Yellow or Brown / 15 or 50 years old:
Failed to RESPECT a law enforcement officers authority
Was controlled after a brief struggle with several trained officers
Was handcuffed and being led to be frisked before being placed in the car.
Was then excessively bent over the trunk of the vehicle
Was punched in the side of the face by an officer while bent over.

Police are held at a higher standard and expected to keep their temper and re-percussive actions in check because they are trained to do so.
They are still human and make mistakes, and as many of us realize, mistakes often bring about penalties.

This young dude was being taken away to hopefully be punished for his actions that night.
IMO a couple of the officer also made a mistake.
Should they not also be punished ?

I was happy to see one of the other officers blocking further abuse and leading the dude away from the scene

As for lawsuits and such, it sucks, but that is what our society says is proper.

 

[the nature boy]

this kind of shit happens all the time. it's not surprising. cops have very stressful and very boring jobs, but occasionally they have instances where the adrenaline kicks in.

anyway, if the guy was in handcuffs there was no reason to do what they did.

He was in handcuffs right?

 

[p0ink]

have you guys ever seen russian police videos? holy god. they just walk up to the guy they are going to 'apprehend' and just knock them square in the face, and then continue to beat the living shit out of them. i wish we could do that here...

 

[smokinghawk]

I am as pro-cop as they come, and I don't know the whole story. From what I have seen, slamming a kid's head against the hood of a car appeared to be excessive, at least enough to warrant an investigation by the dept itself, not outside agencies.

I don't however, see how race was a factor at all.

Agreed.

Yes, the kid was a criminal. And you know what? SO what? so are a lot of us on this forum. Nobody loses their human rights in America just because they are deemed criminals--especially not before the Constitutional right of a trial. We're not Iraq. We're not Pakistan. We don't just let police have unlimited authority to beat down an elleged perp during arrest AFTER he's clearly been subdued.

Either the Constition, American rights, and human rights matter to us--to ALL of us, of every race and both sides of the law--or we need to give up this charade of ours and become the world's best-funded Third World nation.


Yeah, I know, I'll have yet another "Shit for brains faggot" bad karma again (my karma never budges because of my politics), but protecting American legal rights MATTERS to me.