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Pledge of Allegiance IS Unconstitutional!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have explained how and why I believe that god (in our definition and many more) does not exist.

I don't think that anyone here has stated exactly how and why he/she believes in god. The creationism argument does not suffice alone because it begs too many questions and flaws that must me defended or accounted for (which, I am assuming, you can do). Why do you believe?
 
huntmaster said:


--the Proof's in the Puddin--





walk outside and look around man.

look at the insides of the human body--the intracacies of how it all works together.

look at the concept of child conception and birth and growth.
 
I am not talking about death---I am talking about judgement day baby!!!

every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord---and it wont be up for discussion or debate.
 
rotovibe said:
also what are you guy's opinions on the origin of our universe? Was it a big bang or was it set in motion by something?
To me that is too uncertain. I like looking at evidence and hearing arguments, but I have never believed in any idea in particular.

Only a someone with a good physics background could really assess the big bang theory in the context of established "laws" of physics. The laws of physics is what the big bang theory is largely based on. Of course, I'm not sure how the theory was actually conceived.

I don't know how an atheist without a physics background could have an intelligent opinion on the big bang unless it was from a philisophical perspective.

Aside from the above, I don't have many beliefs regarding the origin of our universe.
 
decem said:
y'all know i'm an AM radio listener right? well there's a local AM radio talk show host who is just awesome. i call his show about once a week or so, and i ALWAYS agree with his views and opinions on EVERYTHING.. except today. i was floored when this guy said that the freedoms granted to us are not granted by democracy but by GOD, that he was opposed to the recent ruling, that since the founding fathers wrote it in the constitution that it must be right, that the term "god" is recited in so many different government mottos and sayings, etc etc..... WTF!!!!!!!!!! How could it be? my hero has joined the dark side!!!!!!

anywho.. since i'm at work and can't call in.. i wrote him this email. please feel free to comment (<-- like i need to say that).


Dear Mr. Mangino:

I respect your views and opinions on every issue so much; I am always in accord and agreement with the statements you make, the views and opinions you hold, and the stance you take on such issues. All except this "Pledge of Allegiance being unconstitutional" that is.

I wish I could call in and address these issues with you on the air, but since I cannot, I hope that you will at least read this for yourself, if not on the air.

1. The founding fathers are not always right, their words are not absolute truths, and they did not take everything into consideration when writing the constitution. This is why new laws have been ratified and the constitution amended.

2. I was absolutely floored when you said that our country is founded on the beliefs of God and that our freedom is granted by a creator and not by people or democracy. This is absolutely ludicrous. The only entity that has ever restricted human behavior or actions is the behavior and actions of other, usually more powerful, human beings. Therefore, it follows that the only one that could ever grant freedoms from restriction of behavior and actions would be humans themselves. Am I not right?

3. Many different religions are now followed and practiced in America, and many different views on such are held by so many various groups and peoples. Society, America, and the world have all changed so much since the adoption of the constitution that the views the founding fathers held on religion are no longer current, nor are they the views held by the majority.

4. I am an Atheist/Agnostic/Buddhist and I served my country in the USN for six years. I believe in America and in her government. I do not believe in God, and for someone to say "God bless America" means nothing to me. To say "In God we trust" means nothing to me. Why can't "United we stand" be the motto? For is that not what we truly stand for, a civilization free and UNITED against tyranny and oppression and restriction?

5. Simply because the word "God" is used by so many other government entities and in so many other statements, prayers, pledges, etc and that it has been allowed to slip its way into to so many parts of government, does not make it right. Are we not a society that is based on changing what is wrong and making it right? Is that not what the founding fathers did? Should we be discouraged from righting the wrongs simply because it seems so daunting a task?

6. What if you were to take the word "God" and replace it with Allah, or Ganesha (a Hindu diety), or Mahakala (a Buddhist figure)? What if you also held the same beliefs in your God that you do today? Would you want to recite or hear the word "Mahakala" over and over again? Would it mean anything to you? Would you want it force fed to today's youth and your child? Would you not disagree with someone or some government entity practically trying to convert your child's views on the world and the universe by making her listen to the vast majority of her peers and the leaders of her country constantly reciting "Om Mani Padme Hum" (a buddhist saying that encapsulates all of Buddhism meaning "Hail to the jewel in the lotus.")??

Please read this on the air, or please at least respond to this to let me know that YOU read it.

Very respectfully,

Nugga Supremo
A-to-the-mothafuckin-K

you are correct. i am an atheist also.
 
SmegmaSoldier said:


can you give me an exact date please? i want to plan my schedule around it.

nope, sorry I dont know when, but when it gets here---you will know it. And there is no reason for it to be a bad thing for you, just get to know Jesus and believe----read Matthew and John and you will feel Him!:)
 
you got it plornive,
great posts...I'm hittin the sack soon so I might address the question tommorrow...it'll be lenghty... ;)
 
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