PLEASE help!

[JKurz1]

Mucho Karma for the best plan...I'm really stuck and need you help dividing this smorgishborg into two different cycles......I'm 6'2, 190 with about 7%...training for about 7 years...cycles have been small and minimal.....this is what I got....


10 Susten. 250 redis
10 Deca (200mg) each
4,500mg of EQ
20cc of Test 400
20cc of 100mg Winny V
10cc of 100mg Test prop.

ooo...and 100 clens......

Much thanks BROS!

 

[nuh_mizer]

cycle1: 10 weeks
250mg sust/week (preferably half ml at a time, Monday, Thursday)
400mg T-400/week
500mgs eq/week (9 weeks)

cycle2: 10 weeks
400mgs T-400/week
tuesday/friday - 50mg (half ml) prop
50mgs Winny/eod (half ml) (11 weeks)

You don't have enough deca for a 10 week cycle. Save it till you get more.

 

[JKurz1]

Karma to you bro - but, I know I can use the deca......maybe to cut the T400...anyone else want some juicy karma?

 

[Spidey]

cycle1: 10 weeks
250mg sust/week (preferably half ml at a time, Monday, Thursday)
400mg T-400/week
500mgs eq/week (9 weeks)

cycle2: 10 weeks
400mgs T-400/week
tuesday/friday - 50mg (half ml) prop
50mgs Winny/eod (half ml) (11 weeks)

You don't have enough deca for a 10 week cycle. Save it till you get more.

He only has 4 weeks of EQ at 500 mg ew. Sorry I can't be more helpful. I don't think you have enough EQ or deca to do one cycle, little lone two.

You seem to have plenty of test though.

10 weeks:

100 mg eod T-400 + 250 mg sustenon (2 shots Mon and Fri)

You have enough for two identical cycles like that. I would save the test prop, deca and EQ for another cycle when you can double the amounts of each. A 10 weeker of 400 mg deca + 100 mg test prop eod + 500 mg EQ would make an awsome bulker.

Also, I see you listed your winny as "winny V". That isn't that prohormone mixture billed as "legal steroids" is it? That shit is just varying mixtures of 4-AD and 19 nor 4-AD. No winny in it at all.

 

[JKurz1]

SPidey - thanks for the effort, but your math stinks and winny v is NOT the prohomone shit........next?

 

[Spidey]

SPidey - thanks for the effort, but your math stinks and winny v is NOT the prohomone shit........next?

Ok then

10 Susten. 250 redis
10 Deca (200mg) each
4,500mg of EQ
20cc of Test 400
20cc of 100mg Winny V
10cc of 100mg Test prop.

ooo...and 100 clens......
[/B]

Your post says you have 10 deca's at 200 mg each.
Is that 5 weeks at 400 mg ew (or does my math suck)?

I read your EQ supply as 4 500mg (4x500mg). I see the comma now so OK, bad read on my part, not bad math. Fine, you have 9 weeks of EQ at 500 mg ew.

I asked the question about your winny because I know of a company that sells a product they call Winny V that is just basically a prohormone mixture. I was just trying to clarify that wasn't what you had. No need to take offense. After all, you were the one that listed it with the exact name that company chose to market their bogus product with.

You obviously don't need my input here. Good luck with your cycles.

 

[nuh_mizer]

What kind of deca is it?

 

[Stillgoing]

SPidey - thanks for the effort, but your math stinks and winny v is NOT the prohomone shit........next?

This dismissive tone was NOT necessary bro. Spidey was trying to help.

 

[BigAndy69]

Here we go:

Cycle 1:

W1-10

T-400: 400mg a week
Sust: 250mg a week
Eq: 400mg a week
Deca: 200mg a week

Cycle 2:

W1-6

T-400: 600mg a week
Winny V: 50mg ED

W7-8

Test Prop: 75mg ED
Winny V: 50mg ED

Or you can do 1 cycle with all the gear

 

[JKurz1]

SPidey.....My fault...didn't mean to come across that way and I realize you were just trying to help...........thank you........forgive?

So, what would ya think the consensus is on this stack? Much thanks....

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Cycle 1:

T-400: 400mg cut with Deca/ 200mg (1-10)
Eq: frontload wks 1&2 @ 650mg then 400mg (3-10)
SUST : (1-10)

Then evaluate gains and goals and look at what you have left and what you will need for cycle 2.

 

[JKurz1]

Boy...now I got a decision to make...thanks for all the help.....If I was to use the first one to bulk and the 2nd to cut, would you guys say Big Andy's looks the best? SHould I toss in the Clen with the 2nd cycle as well? How would you reccommend eating on each? High protein, moder. carb., mod. fat on first (350g, 300g, 100g) and then high protein, low carb, low fat on 2nd? (350g,<150g, <50)?

 

[Spidey]

SPidey.....My fault...didn't mean to come across that way and I realize you were just trying to help...........thank you........forgive?

So, what would ya think the consensus is on this stack? Much thanks....

It's all good bro.

There are some good suggestions here but I still think you need more deca, winny and test prop.

I am not sure throwing in 200 mg deca a week is really going to net you anything significant; I could be wrong though.

I would save the deca, test prop and winny until you can afford twice what you have now and then run a serious deca cycle. The test prop makes an excellent addition to that deca cycle to prevent deca dick and provide more mass to boot and the winny will make a good jumpstart and provide a good strength boost. Also, the deca should tend to cancel out the joint-drying effect of winny that so many complain about; it's a win win situation.

As for now, you have plenty of test and EQ. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a good Test, EQ cycle. The EQ hunger will help you eat to bulk while providing extra anabolism at the same time. Most will tell you (I think) that test is king of the bulkers (except for oddballs like me, LOL).

BigAndy's suggestions look good (I like his second cycle the best) or you could do:

10 weeks of 400 mg test + 250 mg sust
week 2 add 1000 mg EQ
weeks 3-9: 500 mg ew EQ

Keep the diet clean and you shouldn't put on a lot of BF

Now, you have 20 weeks (10 weeks of cycle and 10 weeks off) to get some more deca, testprop, and winny .

 

[JKurz1]

Thanks man, but honestly, I've never been a huge fan of deca or winny.....Love EQ and Test, so I may just hit up Big ANdy's routine unless someone sees a flaw.....I curently do cardio (1/2 hr...eliptical) every morning and lift 5x a week........and that's pretty much to maintain.....I would love to put on 20-30lbs and get above the 225 mark.........think I should nix the cardio?

 

[Stillgoing]

Thanks man, but honestly, I've never been a huge fan of deca or winny.....Love EQ and Test, so I may just hit up Big ANdy's routine unless someone sees a flaw.....I curently do cardio (1/2 hr...eliptical) every morning and lift 5x a week........and that's pretty much to maintain.....I would love to put on 20-30lbs and get above the 225 mark.........think I should nix the cardio?

- I would cut the cardio down to 3-4x per week and mix it up, including some less strenious like the plain old stationary bike (if I remember right, eliptical is more difficult, ehh??).

- I would also cut workouts down to 3-4x per week and focus on increasing poundages.

- I wouldn't use the clen, you need mass.

- Big Andy's cycles look fine to me.

- Conclusion in my opinion: You need simply cycles, less cardio, less training frequency with heavier weights and good quantities of good food. With those stats, you would look better with more mass.

 

[Spidey]

- I would cut the cardio down to 3-4x per week and mix it up, including some less strenious like the plain old stationary bike (if I remember right, eliptical is more difficult, ehh??).

- I would also cut workouts down to 3-4x per week and focus on increasing poundages.

- I wouldn't use the clen, you need mass.

- Big Andy's cycles look fine to me.

- Conclusion in my opinion: You need simply cycles, less cardio, less training frequency with heavier weights and good quantities of good food. With those stats, you would look better with more mass.

Ditto.

 

[JKurz1]

100% agree.......still going bro, what does your split and diet look like? I think I need some help!

 

[JKurz1]

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[JKurz1]

any more thoughts?

 

[canadianhitman]

I like BigAndy's breakdown the best; I'd do it with a diet that would indicate a 'bulker' during cycle 1, followed by a 'cutter' for cycle 2 (use the clen during/after this cycle). Makes perfect sense. I'd like cycle 1 even more if you could pick up some Dbol to run at 20mg/day for the first 3 or 4 weeks.