Please Help! ...T3/T4 Armour Thyroid Stack

[DidiXterra]

Hi!

Let me just say this before I start writing...Im looking for advise from serious and experienced Bodybuilders only, not from you who "heard from a friend of a friend" and think you know... No pun intended!


Im running 4iu of human growth hormone - somatropin - a day now, have been for little over 3 months. (Will do 8 months) And just started (2 weeks ago) adding 20mg of Turinabol a day (for a total of 6 weeks). Im just getting started in tightening up my dietprogram now, going to go down to 2,400 cal a day. And will add Armour Thyroid (t3/t4 mix)... I think each tab is 84mcg total... The ratio is like 16.7mcg T3 to 67mcg T4, same as the human body produces.

Is there anyone out there who has any experience with t3/t4 tabs, since most advice out there is for Cytomel and regular t3 tabs. (I been told t3/t4 mix tabs are superior to regular t3 tabs)?

How much mcg should I take to start with and then ladder up to?

Maybe we had same brand? ...How many tabs or halfs of tabs did you take?

(I WILL take go 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off the t3/t4, with 4 weeks of Clenbuterol in between. Alternating like that for about 4 months.)



Please help!

 

[eddymerckx]

whole thread about this here--

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...somatropin-t3-t4-people-have-done-601680.html

 

[DidiXterra]

whole thread about this here--

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...somatropin-t3-t4-people-have-done-601680.html

Hhhhh... sorry, that didn't make me much wiser

 

[eddymerckx]

Hhhhh... sorry, that didn't make me much wiser

you do not need to ramp up with the armour b/c the t3 is low enough and the 120 mg 1 or 2 x a day will give you 18 mcg of t-3/78 mcg of t4 which should be more than what is suppresed by the gh. I would continue to use the armour a couple of months past the end of the gh and taper a bit. then get the levels tested as couple of months later to make sure all is well.

 

[DidiXterra]

you do not need to ramp up with the armour b/c the t3 is low enough and the 120 mg 1 or 2 x a day will give you 18 mcg of t-3/78 mcg of t4 which should be more than what is suppresed by the gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - . I would continue to use the armour a couple of months past the end of the gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - and taper a bit. then get the levels tested as couple of months later to make sure all is well.

Ahhh Kol Tov, Toda Rabah Achi! ...Ok, So far I been taking half a tab a day (this morning I went up to 3/4th`s of a tab... And this is all unnecessary? ...I should start off on 1 or 2 tabs a day and just keep going? (I was told that before, but since all the debate on risks with t3 etc. I thought I needed to work up to 2 tabs a day. I just didnt know what to think)

Should I only do 4 weeks (2 tabs a day), then alternate with 4 weeks of Clenbuterol (I have 200mcg tabs, but will start at 50mcg a day at first). And then 4 weeks on Armour Thyroid again, and keep working like that? ...Or just keep going on with Armour Thyroid the whole time?

(Just keeping in mind to work myself down from 2 tabs to half a tab 2 weeks before quitting?)

Or?

 

[eddymerckx]

Ahhh Kol Tov, Toda Rabah Achi! ...Ok, So far I been taking half a tab a day (this morning I went up to 3/4th`s of a tab... And this is all unnecessary? ...I should start off on 1 or 2 tabs a day and just keep going? (I was told that before, but since all the debate on risks with t3 etc. I thought I needed to work up to 2 tabs a day. I just didnt know what to think)

Should I only do 4 weeks (2 tabs a day), then alternate with 4 weeks of Clenbuterol (I have 200mcg tabs, but will start at 50mcg a day at first). And then 4 weeks on Armour Thyroid again, and keep working like that? ...Or just keep going on with Armour Thyroid the whole time?

(Just keeping in mind to work myself down from 2 tabs to half a tab 2 weeks before quitting?)

Or?

i would stick to the armour throughout b/c its is not about the fat loss as much as it is about the side effects of hypothyroidism b/c of the GH. if natty have high levels it may not be an issue, but many are just in the line and end-up with some issues related to the decrease in tsh. i would use the clen if you want also. you should also add some herbal insulin support (not insulin itself, imo) as bro-ology says that it is enough to make up for some of the insulin changes brought about by the gh.

you can ramp up if you want--the t-3 is low enough that it is not needed, but it is an "ideal" to do if you want--certainbly cannot hurt.

kol tov my friend.

 

[DidiXterra]

i would stick to the armour throughout b/c its is not about the fat loss as much as it is about the side effects of hypothyroidism b/c of the gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - . if natty have high levels it may not be an issue, but many are just in the line and end-up with some issues related to the decrease in tsh. i would use the Clenbuterol if you want also. you should also add some herbal insulin support (not insulin itself, imo) as bro-ology says that it is enough to make up for some of the insulin changes brought about by the gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - .

you can ramp up if you want--the t-3 is low enough that it is not needed, but it is an "ideal" to do if you want--certainbly cannot hurt.

kol tov my friend.

Oki Thanks alot...

From tomorrow Im starting at 2 tabs a day, 7 days a week throughout the HGH cycle... Maybe if I get really low bf % somewhere in between there I will go down to 1 tab a day, just so my body will make up for the tsh held back due to the HGH... Once HGH cycle is over I will go down in dose slowly on the Armour Thyroid...

Thanks again...

 

[DidiXterra]

i would stick to the armour throughout b/c its is not about the fat loss as much as it is about the side effects of hypothyroidism b/c of the gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - . if natty have high levels it may not be an issue, but many are just in the line and end-up with some issues related to the decrease in tsh. i would use the Clenbuterol if you want also. you should also add some herbal insulin support (not insulin itself, imo) as bro-ology says that it is enough to make up for some of the insulin changes brought about by the gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - .

you can ramp up if you want--the t-3 is low enough that it is not needed, but it is an "ideal" to do if you want--certainbly cannot hurt.

kol tov my friend.

Eating 2 tabs daily of body-own ratio t3/t4 mix (each tab), taking them together with my hgh shots... in the morning and around 2 o'clock in the afternoon...

Bought Nutrabolics InsuLean, for herbal insulin support, to make up for the hgh effect on levels of bloodsugar...

Also eating 200mcg of clenbuterol... "superclen" ...each tab is 200mcg... Im eating them 4 days on... 3 days off... and back and forth like that... Is that the bet way to eat those?

I dont feel those shakes so bad, but I can tell Im sweating much more and easier then before...

 

[needtogetaas]

I would get with aap bro. Send him a pm he knows this pretty well.

 

[eddymerckx]

Eating 2 tabs daily of body-own ratio t3/t4 mix (each tab), taking them together with my hgh shots... in the morning and around 2 o'clock in the afternoon...

Bought Nutrabolics InsuLean, for herbal insulin support, to make up for the hgh effect on levels of bloodsugar...

Also eating 200mcg of clenbuterol... "superclen" ...each tab is 200mcg... Im eating them 4 days on... 3 days off... and back and forth like that... Is that the bet way to eat those?

I dont feel those shakes so bad, but I can tell Im sweating much more and easier then before...

the t/3 t/4 mix is fine--far superior to stright t-3 as you get a bump but less passes the blood/brain barrier.

the clen at that dose worries me--that is very very very high dose and superclen is dosed accurately. i would consider alternating an otc like lipoflame or cardio heat instead. my reason is that you are tinkering with a lot of different hormones--and correctly from what i see, except the clem really taxes your heart.