Please critique my 13 week newbie cycle [Test Cyp, EQ, Winny, HCG, Clomid]

[plornive]

week 1-10 EQ 400mg/wk
week 1-11 Test Cyp 400mg/wk
week 8-13 Winny 50mg/day (until clomid starts)
week 0-14 Arimidex .75mg/day
week 4-5 HCG 500IU/day
week 9-10 HCG 500IU/day
week 13 day 5-7 clomid 100mg/day
week 14 clomid 75mg/day
week 15 clomid 50mg/day
week 16 clomid 25mg/day

STATS:
23, 165 lbs, 8% bf, training 3.5 years, never juiced

GOAL:
Gain mass while minimizing side effects and fat gain. Hope to gain 15-20 lbs lean mass. Want to minimize fat gain, but am not sure what is reallistic since I have never juiced. Maybe gain 5 lbs of fat with 15 lbs lean mass.

I am taking this much arimidex because I want to minimize my risk for gyno, and also because HCG is known to also cause an increase in estrogen. I think it would be wise to eliminate as much estrogen from aromatization to make room for the estrogen produced by the leydig cells during HCG use.

I plan to shoot the EQ and Test Cyp twice per week in a mixed shot to one of my quads. The HCG I will shoot daily from a vial in my bis. The winny I will drink, or maybe inject if I am more comfortable with it at that point.

Will this cycle be good for me???

 

[jc21]

too much gear imo...drop the winny and stick with the eq and cyp. you can add the winny next time. but it does look like a great cycle. i think you did your homework.

 

[Willyumyum]

Looks like a bit much for a first cycle, JC's suggestion seems good ... I'd also change the way you are running clomid :
300mg the first day
100mg for the next 10 days
50mg for the next 10 days
done!

YUM

 

[plornive]

How are the amounts of test and EQ? Is that too much for 165 lbs?

I put the winny in to add an extra variable half way through to mentally and physically support further gains through the 13th week.

Is 13 weeks too long for a first cycle?

 

[BigAndy69]

Bro, drop the clomid w16, no need to use 25mg for another week. Too much clomid can hurt you, if you feel the need to use something, run arimidex at 0.5mg-.25mg ED w15-16

 

[BigAndy69]

How are the amounts of test and EQ? Is that too much for 165 lbs?

I put the winny in to add an extra variable half way through to mentally and physically support further gains through the 13th week.

Is 13 weeks too long for a first cycle?

Why not do this then:

W1-W10: EQ 400mg a week
W1-W8: Cyp: 400mg a week
W8-W12: Prop, 350mg a week. 100mg EOD.

You are taking full advantage of your cycle here.

IMO, I wouldn't stack, just run cyp 500mg a week for 8 weeks, followed by Prop 350mg a week last 4 weeks.

 

[plornive]

IMO, I wouldn't stack, just run cyp 500mg a week for 8 weeks, followed by Prop 350mg a week last 4 weeks.

This would also increase estrogenic side effects, though, right? I put the EQ in there so I wouldn't have to use as much test and I wouldn't get as many estrogenic sides. Knowing this, would you still not stack?

I like the test prop idea to take full advantage of the test. Should I also do the prop during the first week to immediately raise test levels?

 

[plornive]

Ok, how does this look? I put the winny in brackets since I am probably not going to do it, but want to keep it an option.

week 1-9 EQ 400mg/wk
week 1-9 Test Cyp 400mg/wk
week 1, 10-12 Test Prop 100mg EOD week 12 day 1 or 2 only
[week 7-12 Winny 50mg/day (until clomid starts)]
week 0-15 Arimidex .75mg/day
week 4-5 HCG 500IU/day
week 9-10 HCG 500IU/day
week 12 day 5-7 clomid 100mg/day
week 13 clomid 75mg/day
week 14 clomid 50mg/day

 

[plornive]

Anyone?

 

[BigAndy69]

Bro, you are complicating your life with all these drugs, If you don't grow off 500mg of high quality Test when you weigh 165lb, there a problem. Buddy of mine started ot at 160, did 400mg of Test for 8 weeks, 20mg of Dbol first 4 weeks, put on 27 lbs, kept 22, he disn't even have HCG.

 

[Willyumyum]

Ok, how does this look? I put the winny in brackets since I am probably not going to do it, but want to keep it an option.

week 1-9 EQ 400mg/wk
week 1-8 Test Cyp 400mg/wk
week 1, 10-12 Test Prop 100mg EOD week 12 day 1 or 2 only
[week 7-12 Winny 50mg/day (until clomid starts)]
week 0-15 Arimidex .75mg/day
week 4-5 HCG 500IU/day
week 9-10 HCG 500IU/day
week 12 day 5-7 clomid 100mg/day
week 13 clomid 75mg/day
week 14 clomid 50mg/day

This looks fine, a little complicated, but that's ok as long as you keep on top of things... The only thing I would change, like I said in my first post, is the way you are running clomid.... The way I posted above is much better.

YUM

 

[plornive]

I just have one more question: Do you think HCG would help to retain gains after 12 weeks, or do the risks of gyno outweight the risk of losing gains w/o HCG? This question is for anyone.

I will rethink my cycle. I may just run test alone, or test and just a bit of eq. I'll simply leave the winny as an option.

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

Ok, how does this look? I put the winny in brackets since I am probably not going to do it, but want to keep it an option.

week 1-9 EQ 400mg/wk
week 1-8 Test Cyp 400mg/wk
week 1, 10-12 Test Prop 100mg EOD week 12 day 1 or 2 only
[week 7-12 Winny 50mg/day (until clomid starts)]
week 0-15 Arimidex .75mg/day
week 4-5 HCG 500IU/day
week 9-10 HCG 500IU/day
week 12 day 5-7 clomid 100mg/day
week 13 clomid 75mg/day
week 14 clomid 50mg/day

Run that sucker! It's complicated for a first, but not exesssive, and you'll keep your nuts nicely w/ all that hcg. But I would take willy's clomid advice. Good Luck.

 

[Nick1974]

I agree you don't need to overdue your first cycle
I'm on my first cycle deca/winny/growth started at 178 went to 200 on my 22 day
just make sure you eat at least six meals a days and stack up on amino acid, glutamine and multi vitamins.

 

[Hauge]

man thats insane. My first cycle was 500mg sust for 12 weeks and 50mg winny for 6 weeks, and of course clomid. But shit i gained crazy and my buddy gained like 32 lbs of that. Remember your first few cycles should be light bro. Dont make it that for your 3rd or 4th cycle u are going to have to spend like 3 grand to get results.

 

[baryon]

Yes, plornive, I think you're letting this first cycle get a little complicated. I think you want to take a maximum of two AAS so you get a feel for how your body reacts, otherwise when it comes to your next cycle you might have trouble figuring out 'what did what'.

What do you want: Quite a lot.

1) 15 pounds of solid muscle
2) very little bloat
3) very few sides

I'd go with your 400mg Primo (mentioned in another thread) for 10 weeks and perhaps finish with 4-6 weeks of Winny Depot 50mg/ED. No HCG required. Take .5mg arimidex EOD and clomid post cycle. This will make you good and hard and since you're a virgin, I think you'll get the 15 you want, if not more.

--baryon