Planned Parenthood Offering Free Abortions After Attack

[big4life]

What I'm saying is, don't think just because a baby
is born means everything will be fine.
People that say it is better for an unwanted child to be
born rather than aborted, need to think what life was like
for her, and others like her.

As much as it hurts me to say this, yes I think it would have
been better for her mother to have had an abortion.
I would have missed out on seeing the sweetest face
I have ever seen, but she would have missed out on
18 months of pain and suffering.

I'm not debating whether fetuses feel pain or don't,
I don't know the answer to that. I just know that the
only love Meagan knew in the last days of her life
was from strangers that worked at the hospital,
or those of us that volunteered there.

There is no easy answer here, I honestly
don't think there is a right or wrong answer.
I'm just giving my experience, and my opinion.

 

[Weapon X]

And at what point of pregnancy can the fetus do all that?

The child has a heartbeat at 8 weeks. I can look up the rest for you.

I don't fully understand the question of "viability." Even after birth, teh child is not "viable" as an independant creature. In fact, it requires even more care for its survival, and indeed cannot survive without constant care from other humans.

Animals eat their young in times of crisis. Humans are supposed to be better than that.

 

[thebabydoc]

While you're looking that up, Weapon, look up the definition for Parasite

it's a bit extreme but argue with that.

 

[Weapon X]

While you're looking that up, Weapon, look up the definition for Parasite

it's a bit extreme but argue with that.

So, a newborn baby is a parasite on a woman's breast? From your previous posts, babydoc, I have to assume that you wouldn't lower yourself to using such an argument.

Or are you just implying that a child in the womb is somehow equivalent to a parasite.
Don't you people see how far you've gone? God, this is sick.
What lengths you'll go to in order to convince yourselves that this isn't a human being!!

This is the first post in a very long time to actually make me angry. A parasite.

If I am misinterpreting you (and I hope that I am), please clarify.

 

[PsychoSkitz]

What lengths you'll go to in order to convince yourselves that this isn't a human being!!

The same lengths you'll go to argue that it is a human being.

 

[thebabydoc]

another fact:

Pregnancy is almost 20x more dangerous to the mother than abortion.

Since when was "a beating heart" the definition of life?
The neurological system does not even begin to develop until 12 weeks.
There is no evidence or logic to the belief that the early fetus "feels" pain;
and if it did, what would that prove or mean, "pain=life"?

"Children react to light and dark, move to music, and jump in surpirse while still in the womb"

That's called a reflex, far different from the actions of a senescent being.

"The baby suffers when it's being dissolved by salt water injections"

Sorry, wrong, not even a method or abortion any more. And "suffers?" That's a pretty big leap of faith again. I seem to remember that when we were on the same side of a debate you liked to base your arguments on facts. Where are they here? Can't you see that your argument is coming from an emotional/religious base and you are assuming and creating facts to support your BELIEFS?

"Against rape? Don't rape anyone."
"Against child abuse? Don't abuse a child."
"Against terrorism? Don't commit any acts of terror."

LOL!! Well, it's a start!

"While I personally do not commit any of the acts above, I do believe that our society benefits from laws against them"

No kidding, maybe that's why they're AGAINST THE LAW. I have no problem with your beliefs and respect that:
a) You believe that you would not have an abortion if in that position (again, I remind you that for the most part, it seems that most of you haven't been there. I see it every day and know the outcomes of those decisions.) and
b) You feel it is wrong for anyone to have an abortion.
Well thanks for your opinion, fortunately, in this country I am entitled to have my own and allowed to follow it.

To the others not fortunate enough to be quoted...try to use a word other than "murder;" I've already addressed that fallacy.

Why can't you see that you cannot force a human being to be a vessel for another life just because she is unfortunate enough to be carrying it? An extreme, but accurate, analogy would be for me to tie you down, inject an embryo into your body and, no matter what happened from then on, you must continue with that pregnancy just because "it is alive"

The ridiculousness of that statement echoes the ridiculousness of anti-abortionists determination that they can or should be able to impose their beliefs on another.

 

[thebabydoc]

So, a newborn baby is a parasite on a woman's breast? From your previous posts, babydoc, I have to assume that you wouldn't lower yourself to using such an argument.

Or are you just implying that a child in the womb is somehow equivalent to a parasite.
Don't you people see how far you've gone? God, this is sick.
What lengths you'll go to in order to convince yourselves that this isn't a human being!!

This is the first post in a very long time to actually make me angry. A parasite.

If I am misinterpreting you (and I hope that I am), please clarify.

No sir, a newborn baby is not what we're arguing about here. I'll even give you as much to say a fetus beyond 25 weeks. Nice try at sucking me into that game. I am referring to the human fetus, gestational age 1-168days +/-

I asked you to look up the definition of Parasite, read it, and post it.
You've been very good up to date at finding web sites and posting facts.
Then continue your disagreement with me.
I also did preface it with "it's a bit extreme, but..."

 

[gymnpoppa]

IMO

People should be married (at least 5 yrs), prove they are financially, emotionally capable of having kids. Be required to obtain a license to have kids, much like a drivers license. Of course it would never happen, but it would eliminate a great deal of the problems we are supporting financially, and otherwise because of the ignorant decisions that keep growing daily. Too many broken homes, no dual parenting, etc. Traditional family values are diminishing quickly. I'm all for adoption by whoever can offer the kind of family values necessary for producing good decent citizens. "Families" now days cannot compare to families of 20-30 years ago. The whole process needs to start in the homes. Weapon X, you seem like a throwback to the good old days, we need more good fathers like you.

As for the belief of abortions, unless its non-consensual, or life threatening (AIDS, etc), you're killing a life, plain and simple, no need to try and slice it and angle it to appease your opinion, it's a life.

 

[thebabydoc]

The same lengths you'll go to argue that it is a human being.

OUCHH!!!! Touche!! Bravo!!!!

 

[thebabydoc]

Re: IMO

As for the belief of abortions, unless its non-consensual, or life threatening (AIDS, etc), you're killing a life, plain and simple, no need to try and slice it and angle it to appease your opinion, it's a life.

Well I was in agreement with you up until this part.

So it's not "killing a life" if "[it's] non-consensual, or life threatening (AIDS, etc)"
(By the way, AIDS is not life threatening anymore to the fetus)

You're gonna have to do better than that if you want to use the "murder/killing" defense of your position.