Planned Parenthood Offering Free Abortions After Attack

[gymnpoppa]

another fact:




Why can't you see that you cannot force a human being to be a vessel for another life just because she is unfortunate enough to be carrying it? An extreme, but accurate, analogy would be for me to tie you down, inject an embryo into your body and, no matter what happened from then on, you must continue with that pregnancy just because "it is alive"

The ridiculousness of that statement echoes the ridiculousness of anti-abortionists determination that they can or should be able to impose their beliefs on another.

Unfortunate? What do you mean by unfortunate? I don't get your accurate analogy of tie down......these teenagers having unprotected sex, getting abortions are not tied down, nor are the adults......not trying to flame you, but wondering what you mean by that?

 

[gymnpoppa]

Re: Re: IMO

Well I was in agreement with you up until this part.

So it's not "killing a life" if "[it's] non-consensual, or life threatening (AIDS, etc)"
(By the way, AIDS is not life threatening anymore to the fetus)

You're gonna have to do better than that if you want to use the "murder/killing" defense of your position.

Bad choice of words? Okay, whatever you want to call it, I'm not versed in the terminology of abortions, I'd rather work on building a foundation to eliminate the mistakes that bring on the decisions to do or not. As I think about it, I'd have to be involved in a situation one way or another to offer a better opinion. I understand what the root of the problem is, and nobody from this board on up to the White House has a plan to reduce the single parent population, or broken home environments breeding the problems with our society......my .02
I yearn for a return (it'll never happen here) to days where kids respected adults, kids had manners, were much more obedient,
didn't bring guns to school and use them, (kids had access to guns then, but had enough respect for our parents not to even go near them)

 

[thebabydoc]

gympoppa:

I am not trying to flame you but I tire of this.
I am too advanced on this issue to fall into the standard anti-abortion traps
of arguing responsibility, unwanted LIVING children, murder, etc, etc, etc...

1) "Unfortunate" merely expresses that woman who is forced to make this decision,
nothing more, nothing less. Do not try to find any double meaning in this

2) My last statement only addresses the issue of "life". What it means is that, according to
the arguments advanced by anti-abortionists, no matter how the life got there, life is life and should not be "killed".

This is however, in a way, something that may be an issue in the not-to distant future. Could I make a mother an unwilling surrogate? Actually, yes because all I would need to do is inject an embryo into her abdomen. It is pretty new science, but it seems that the tubes will "pick up" the embryo and carry it to the uterus. Although this is akin to rape, that is the warning I first made about "grey areas" in law.

Anti-abortionists need to try to convince others to share their beliefs, not terrorize them or force them into not having abortions with propaganda and false statements.

 

[thebabydoc]

Re: Re: Re: IMO

Bad choice of words? Okay, whatever you want to call it, I'm not versed in the terminology of abortions, I'd rather work on building a foundation to eliminate the mistakes that bring on the decisions to do or not. As I think about it, I'd have to be involved in a situation one way or another to offer a better opinion. I understand what the root of the problem is, and nobody from this board on up to the White House has a plan to reduce the single parent population, or broken home environments breeding the problems with our society......my .02
I yearn for a return (it'll never happen here) to days where kids respected adults, kids had manners, were much more obedient,
didn't bring guns to school and use them, (kids had access to guns then, but had enough respect for our parents not to even go near them)

Dude, I agree with you 100%
I hate performing "repeat" offenders.
But I make a difference. I get girls on contraception, I adopt out babies, I get women to have the tubal ligation.
There are many grey areas in life but you have to allow people to make their own choices.

 

[thebabydoc]

Weapon X, come out and play (Get it???)

Did we lose Weapon X?
I hope your looking up that definition and having the hard time I know
you will have with it. This ain't no amateur hour here, you're playin' with the
big boys now.

I wouldn't dare argue scripture with you.

 

[Weapon X]

No sir, a newborn baby is not what we're arguing about here. I'll even give you as much to say a fetus beyond 25 weeks. Nice try at sucking me into that game. I am referring to the human fetus, gestational age 1-168days +/-

I mentioned that a newborn is not "viable" and you brought up the parasite issue. Therefore, I assumed you were talking about newborns. Pardon me.

par·a·site (pr-st)
n.
Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return.
One who lives off and flatters the rich; a sycophant.
A professional dinner guest, especially in ancient Greece.

Technically true, but certainly it's a charged term when used colloquially, no?

This thread will convince no one, I am sure. But I am truly saddened by the responses. And I am not using hyperbole. I really am saddened deeply.
I was distubred and angered by the anti-Semitism that was displayed a few weeks ago in a thread that ended up having to be deleted, and I am disyturbed and saddened by this thread.
It's been educational for me, and I thank everyone for being frank. I need to go process this.

 

[Weapon X]

Re: Weapon X, come out and play (Get it???)

Did we lose Weapon X?
I hope your looking up that definition and having the hard time I know
you will have with it. This ain't no amateur hour here, you're playin' with the
big boys now.

I wouldn't dare argue scripture with you.

WTF? You're taunting me now? You haven't won anything, although I've agreed that there's nothing to be gained by continuing this argument. I thought we were being a little more mature about this.

I just got back from a business meeting and have been catching up on this thread, not avoiding it.

Playing with the big boys? I haven't been playing at all.
Have a good night, babydoc. I didn't think that I had expressed any personal disrespect to you, but perhaps I'm wrong.

 

[thebabydoc]

Hey Weapon

hey, I was just playing to show you they're not personal feelings, unlike that anti-semitic thread you were referring to.

Sorry to have offended you. I respect your style and professionalism in scholarly debate.

peace?

 

[Weapon X]

As with other heated discussions I've had on this board - peace.

 

[Frackal]

Weapon X is a cool righty 'cause he doesn't get all crazy about things and keeps a level head...