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Pick my next cycle!

CLOMIDCLOWN

CLOMIDCLOWN

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Hey guys, need help picking my first cycle. Much love for any help :)

Cycle 1:
Dbol 25mg/day week 1-4
Sus 500mg/week weeks 1-8 (injected mon and thurs)
Deca 200mg/week weeks 1-8

OR Cycle 2:

Dbol 40week1, 60 week 2&3, 40 week 4, & 20mg week 5
Sus 250mg week 1-3, 500 week 4&5, 250 week 6,7,8
Deca looking like this over 8 weeks (sorry for any confusion)
100, 200, 300, 400, 400, 300, 200, 100

Please let me know which is better and why.
 
Why does everyone want sust for their first cycle?

Anyways, cycle 2 is so ridiculous, it makes me wonder if you are ready for any cycle. But not getting in to that, I guess of those 2 go with 1.

But why not a simple 500mg/wk Test cycle. And you can still do your dbol kickstart too.

It seems to me though that you should be able to decide on your first cycle yourself after you have done all your research. Do you have any ancilaries either? Just things to consider.
 
I didn't want to elaborate, but it seems a bit much for a first cycle. Cycle 2 shows that you have no experience whatsoever with steroids, nor have you done any research. Like JP said, I would only stick to 2 elements max for first cycle, especially if you suggested something like cycle 2.
 
CLOMIDCLOWN said:
Hey guys, need help picking my first cycle. Much love for any help :)

Cycle 1:
Dbol 25mg/day week 1-4
Sus 500mg/week weeks 1-8 (injected mon and thurs)
Deca 200mg/week weeks 1-8

OR Cycle 2:

Dbol 40week1, 60 week 2&3, 40 week 4, & 20mg week 5
Sus 250mg week 1-3, 500 week 4&5, 250 week 6,7,8
Deca looking like this over 8 weeks (sorry for any confusion)
100, 200, 300, 400, 400, 300, 200, 100

Please let me know which is better and why.
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Personally i would go with option 1 and drop the deca..I think in option 2 the dbol is way way to high for your first cycle..Since this is your first go round it would be better for you to learn how your body responds to the test without having to worry about the progesterone effects of deca (even though its a low dose)..also make sure you have your pct planned before you start as well as the necessary ancillaries on hand...
 
you should just do one compound man. if you are on deca and testosterone and you sprout a pair of tits, you won't know which substance to avoid in the future. you should also be able to make incredible gains on just one substance if it is, in fact, your first cycle.
 
Thanks guys. To tell you the truth I prefer cycle one and have done much research over past few months. It was a friend who recommended cycle 2, based on the fact that it utilizes less deca. I prefer cycle one because it fronloads a lower amt of dbol and doesnt use a fucking diamond pattern.

So i will stick with cycle one.

Juicepimp is all three that bad?

As far as PCT i have nolva and arimidex on hand and im working with swale ( a HRT doctor who is testing my blood plasma levels).
 
Undoubtably the first cycle with some modifications. For a first cycle you could drop the deca and even the d bol. Many use test only cycles with great efficacy. Like beast said see how your body responds. Also save some resoruces for later. Think about it.
Mike
 
ALSO this same friend actually recommended training MWF for what would amount to 1.5 hours to work every body part! So he has me training for a long time (i guess this is ok while on) AND training same muscles THREE times a week!
Should I get a new friend or what?
Also is 6000 calories w/ 340 g protein a day too much for me at 199 lbs?
 
Your friend, all personal character judgements aside has a skewed perspective of training. I don't even know how to address such a program. As for calories figure out your BMR first (this can be done using calculators on a number of websites) and go from there. I would say, depending in your muscle composition as well as your activity rate, that 6000 still seems a bit excessive. Once again do some math then try and have a 1000 cal surplus. I doubt you burn 5000 cal a day so it will be less.

Protein? At this stage I don;t think you require that much. Work with 300, load up on clean low GI carbs (500 plus) except postwork of course. Hope this helps.
Mike
 
Clomid Clown - Granted I am new to the game of gear with only 2 cycles under my belt, I have begun to realize rome wasn't built in a day. 30 lbs first cycle clean quality gains thats not too probable. I don;t think your body would hold onto that weight (10 of which would be water) post cycle. I know how you feel at these early stages, like it is all a size gain. But isn't it better to build slower quality gains, not exhausting your resources and not using doses too high? It will be better in the end. I don;t know your genetics but with great dieting and dilegent training you should be happy to see 15lbs LBM after you drop the water. Trust me test only for a first time will do more then you think. Quick question, why sus? Might wanna try enanthate or cyp, cheap long acting. Just an idea.

Mike
 
CLOMIDCLOWN said:
JohnDeere- i liked the first cycle because it could help me gain like 30 pounds. Could i gain that much on just test?
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Its not the roids that will determine how much you gain, but "Diet" and trainging and length of cycle. Diet being the most important
 
Assuming i stick with cycle one (because i have anti-estrogens on hand), how should i be training? Is my friends idea to far fetched? this probably means back to training boards but there is a lot of info there.,
 
Well said rpol diet is at least 70%. You can have all the gear in the world won;t do too much with out a good diet. Think about it. If you were a carpenter an had all these great power tools to build with but didn;t have any good quality wood, could you erect a strong stable structure? Eat up!

Mike
 
MIKE, did you mean BMI or BMR?
I choose sus because i got some nole on the cheap. my friend also claims that it can be injected at 10 day intervals while i have read ppl on this board recommending mon thurs or ever eod.
 
I guess its back to the reading boards.
ALSO assuming i did cycle #1 when should the sus be inject (mon thurs right?)
and should i up the deca to 400mg
 
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