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[Primordial Performance]

would you suggest stacking it with dermacrine?? and finish off with sustain?? u should put a lil stack together to buy hhaa

and i am an athlete too and im playin D1 football in the fall of 2008 and i had the same question as the other guy. how long does it take to get out of the system?? just in case

If your getting tested I wouldnt use Dermacrine, that would be the only supp you would have to worry about.

If you wanted to do a stack of Dermacrine and Phyto-Test (which would be awesome), you should take atleast a month off Dermacrine before getting tested, just to be safe. You shouldnt have any concern with Phyto-Test though.

One bottle of Phyto-Test lasts 30 days.

-Pp

 

[1tight_tl]

Can you run this along sustain..i just finished dermacrine and moved right onto the sustain...can I run it along with that? that way my body has the most free test available ...and did you say in lab rats it showed increase in sexual orgain size...like your stuff would grow?...haha

 

[jacshelb]

That study looks pretty good! Thanks for the info. That's the equivalent of someone being 12% bf and going down to 9.5% over the course of 8 weeks. I'm getting ready for a small bb contest this spring... I may have to consider this product.


Jacob

 

[swole]

does this provide any added benefit to run while on an aa.s cycle?

specifically one using test as a base?

 

[Primordial Performance]

Can you run this along sustain..i just finished dermacrine and moved right onto the sustain...can I run it along with that? that way my body has the most free test available ...and did you say in lab rats it showed increase in sexual orgain size...like your stuff would grow?...haha

Yes, you can stack the Phyto-Test with Sustain. They both work by totally different mechanisms, and likely have a synergistic effect. BTW, sexual organ growth as in seminal vesicles and ventral prostate. (sorry bro)

Swole,

Phyto-Test would give you extra gains, but I would personally save it for the times you aren’t on T.

-Pp

 

[leonidas33]

No offense PP but you provided a study that is used by testofin to sell their product
in otherwards propaganda.
Do you have any third party studies? Maybe a study conducted in a medical/scientific journal?

i am still waiting for his reply to this... seems that PP skipped it and is answering other replies instead.

 

[Primordial Performance]

No offense PP but you provided a study that is used by testofin to sell their product
in otherwards propaganda.
Do you have any third party studies? Maybe a study conducted in a medical/scientific journal?

That study was done by a 3rd party company that Gencor hired. It’s reputable, but not quite peer-reviewed.

-Pp

 

[chazk]

That study was done by a 3rd party company that Gencor hired. It’s reputable, but not quite peer-reviewed.

-Pp

The study does not show any third party names or contact information,
it just shows a study that gencor the makers of testofen paid to have conducted.

How do we know what the screening process was?
Were the guys givin the placebo guys that did not work out?
were the guys given testofen told to work out?
we have no record of what the two groups were eating, other drugs used,work out routines,

Why in the study does it say the "serum testoterone levels were estimated before and after the 8 weeks consumption"

did they not even bother to draw blood samples before and after, or just estimates of what they felt the changes were.

The only scientific studies I have read that were conducted with fenugreek saponins were all done in mice.
Not one scientific studyhas been done in humans
The only study done with humans (the one you showed us) was performed and paid for by gencor a company that sells testofen.

 

[Primordial Performance]

The study does not show any third party names or contact information,
it just shows a study that gencor the makers of testofen paid to have conducted.

How do we know what the screening process was?
Were the guys givin the placebo guys that did not work out?
were the guys given testofen told to work out?
we have no record of what the two groups were eating, other drugs used,work out routines,

Why in the study does it say the "serum testoterone levels were estimated before and after the 8 weeks consumption"

did they not even bother to draw blood samples before and after, or just estimates of what they felt the changes were.

The only scientific studies I have read that were conducted with fenugreek saponins were all done in mice.
Not one scientific studyhas been done in humans
The only study done with humans (the one you showed us) was performed and paid for by gencor a company that sells testofen.

Here is the subject screening -

Inclusion criteria

Subjects to be enrolled in the trial have to meet ALL of the following criteria:
• Written informed consent from the subject.
• Male aged 18-35 years inclusive.
• Normal health status on the basis of clinical examination
• Normal health status on the basis of laboratory examination
• Trained for resistance/power exercise, at least for a period of 1 month

Exclusion criteria

Subjects will be excluded for ANY ONE of the following reasons:
• Subjects with any condition which in the opinion of the investigator makes the
subject unsuitable for inclusion.
• Subject has an elevated resting heart rate (>100 bpm) or blood pressure (SBP ≥140 or
DBP ≥90 mm Hg).
• Subject has a history of medical or surgical events that may affect the study
outcome or place the subject at risk, including cardiovascular disease,
gastrointestinal problems, metabolic, renal, hepatic, neurological or active
musculoskeletal disorders.
• Subject has a history of orthopedic injury or surgery within the last year.
• Known hypersensitivity to herbal drugs/nutritional supplement/ foods
• Subjects who is consuming/ has received any performance enhancing therapy
during last 2 months
• Subjects undergoing any weight loss or diet plan during the trial period
• Chronic alcoholics
• Drug abusers
• Participation in any other clinical trial during last 30 days

The study says that the "volunteers doing regular resistance exercise". I assume they are talking about both groups.

The study also said -

"Subjects did not take any performance enhancing therapy during the trial period and 2 months before starting the trial."

Serum free testosterone levels were probably estimated based off of the SHBG/Total T ratio. This is pretty standard.


-Pp

 

[xrsist]

Xrsist,

Yes, there should be an AU distributor with Phyto-Test sometime early next month.
-Pp

be sure to let me know who it is as i will have a few bros willing to try some of these products.. even better ill be your AU distributor