Pet peeve!!!

[Jack steel]

I'd like to clear up something for those of you who haven't done sufficient ester research. When someone says "that (fill in the blank) won't kick in until 2-3 weeks from your first pin" they're wrong. Dead wrong. I'm a stickler for taking things literally and I prefer to have them explained literally... So that's what I'm Doing right now. Even with a long ester like deca or EQ, the injection is in your system that very same day. It does NOT take longer to start working.
The reason everyone goes around saying this is because the greatest effects will start being seen around 2-4 weeks after. Why? Because that's about the time the ester is starting to double up in your system and effects are much more dramatic. The very first day you pin 500mg of test, 500mg of test will be in your system that same day. The ester length has more to do with breaking down than it does for being released.
For example if you pin 500mg day 1 and continue that dose once a week for the next 4 weeks... When you get to around week 3,4,or 5 the amount of drug in your system is about doubled, and so you really aren't on a dose of 500mg anymore... Your blood levels are now about 1000mg at this point.
I hope someone at least has learned something from this. So one last time : long ester injectables do not take weeks to "kick in"! They take weeks to build up and ultimately double themselves or more, and hence you see more noticeable results starting at that time. Bro science Bugs the shit out of me.

 

[buddhabuilder]

I think the point is, where the test is in your system; stored in a muscle attached to a long ester or broken down and being utilized by the muscles and such. The half life of the AAS is also very important, as this is what brings about the gradual building of available test in your system up to a point that it is obvious to the user, and hopefully those around them, that they are putting on size and strength.

 

[Jack steel]

I don't understand what you mean exactly but I think we are in agreement. Forgive me I'm stoned lol. But I wrote this because I'm sick of hearing people say things like " how can you already feel it, it hasn't even kicked in yet" it's ridiculous, I feel my very first pin of the cycle within hours. I've written about this before on here somewhere and I keep seeing it so its frustrating me.

 

[Jack steel]

And yes, it seems to "kick in" weeks later because of the peaking of concentrations in the body... If that's what you mean.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

And yes, it seems to "kick in" weeks later because of the peaking of concentrations in the body... If that's what you mean.

exactly.

it takes about 2 weeks for me to really notice any long ester test. meaning killer pumps, little extra swollen look starting ect.
4-6 weeks is bullshit. Anyone that asks about or mentions kick in time should be kicked in the head.

 

[Svenman19]

I feel the libido boost and better mood after first pin. every time

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[Cali72]

Anyone that asks about or mentions kick in time should be kicked in the head.

Hahahahaha...

 

[stevesmi]

its terminology.

i prefer the term 'build up' instead of 'kick in'

if you go to 'pct calculator' on google there is a site you can plug it in the ester compound and see when it peaks. when you inject you get an immediate bump but as you inject over and over each injection there is a bigger bump until it reaches a peak. and then you reach a myostatin point but thats a whole nother thread for another day

just like i hear guys talk about their 30 week 'cycle' after they came off for 10 weeks. that isn't a 'cycle' that is just staying on for a long fucking time and then taking a small break and jumping back on. even had a guy say he 'cycled' for 1 year.. lol. i wanted to throw my head into the wall.

 

[Labtec70]

I'm glad someone has brought this subject up: Thanks Jack! Yours and Buddha's takes are both better explanations.
As you say Stevesmi, it's more about terminology, and shouldn't be taken too literally. I think the more apt phrase: noticeable effects should be evident at around...weeks, rather than "kicks-in", which literalists take to mean: doesn't work until...weeks in.

Enjoy your weekend!
Craig

 

[buddhabuilder]

Forgive me I'm stoned lol.

lololol!

Your the man JS!

 

[Nelson Montana]

At 3 weeks, a steady dosage has built up as high as it's going to go. After 4 weeks, the first dosing is essentially inert.

 

[Jack steel]

You're right, I was speaking mainly about. Enanthate because its what I normally use. But by week three it's about doubled. This is Another reason why I use lower doses.

 

[Jack steel]

Forgive me I'm stoned lol.

lololol!

Your the man JS!

Lol then again this is normal for me

 

[Jack steel]

I'm glad someone has brought this subject up: Thanks Jack! Yours and Buddha's takes are both better explanations.
As you say Stevesmi, it's more about terminology, and shouldn't be taken too literally. I think the more apt phrase: noticeable effects should be evident at around...weeks, rather than "kicks-in", which literalists take to mean: doesn't work until...weeks in.

Enjoy your weekend!
Craig

Exactly. Using confusing terminology counter productive learning. It just bugs the hell out of me because like I said, I prefer to take everything I hear literally and I try to speak very literally when explaining anything. It takes the confusion out of life.

 

[Jack steel]

For the record : this is why I consider anyone using 1000mg of one thing a week is dumb and wasteful. Pin 500 and you'll get 1000. Not rocket surgery!

 

[shirlene29]

I always loved the phrase rocket surgery....blending of two phrases



just sayin

 

[UA_Iron]

At 3 weeks, a steady dosage has built up as high as it's going to go. After 4 weeks, the first dosing is essentially inert.

Wrong. It depends on the ester. Test undecanoate is going to take forever to reach a steady state. At 3 weeks it hasn't even reached half of its steady state value.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Wrong. It depends on the ester. Test undecanoate is going to take forever to reach a steady state. At 3 weeks it hasn't even reached half of its steady state value.

No, actually you're wrong -- again. You're also choosing the slowest releasing ester (I presume for arguments sake) and yes, that is released slower over time, reaching its peak at about week two -- certainly not after week 3. You're confusing its duration with its peak effectiveness. It'll remain active for about a month and the metabolites will be present for about 6 weeks but the anabolic activity will be negligible by then.

But this is splitting hairs. But I know you like to do that.

 

[UA_Iron]

No, actually you're wrong -- again. You're also choosing the slowest releasing ester (I presume for arguments sake) and yes, that is released slower over time, reaching its peak at about week two -- certainly not after week 3. You're confusing its duration with its peak effectiveness. It'll remain active for about a month and the metabolites will be present for about 6 weeks but the anabolic activity will be negligible by then.

But this is splitting hairs. But I know you like to do that.

Can you define "peak effectiveness" for me? What is reaching it's peak at week 2? It certainly isn't the blood hormone level...

Steady state blood levels for Test cyp and Tren Hex arent even reached until week 5. It's at least 4 weeks for Enanthate esters. EQ has the same half-life as test undecanoate as well... So what I say applies to a vast number of very usable compounds.

The devil is in the details; if you thought otherwise then you wouldn't get bent out of shape when people ask "when does XXX ester 'kick in'"

 

[burnthiscorpse]

The devil is in the details; if you thought otherwise then you wouldn't get bent out of shape when people ask "when does XXX ester 'kick in'"

I think for the most part though, myself, Jack, Nelson, others, ect... get bent about "kick in" time is because 95% of the time its some dumb ass noob fuck idiot who has no business using aas wants to know when his poorly planned cycle his buddy at the gym told him to run is going to start to make him feel like he's "on the roids" .

 

[Jack steel]

I think for the most part though, myself, Jack, Nelson, others, ect... get bent about "kick in" time is because 95% of the time its some dumb ass noob fuck idiot who has no business using aas wants to know when his poorly planned cycle his buddy at the gym told him to run is going to start to make him feel like he's "on the roids" .

Lol! Exactly. I remember a year Or so ago some guy was asking at what point he should start working out after He does his first injection. My head starts to feel like its gonna explode. Given that he was bass ackwards wrong on many levels with that question. That false knowledge is spreading like wildfire, or has been over the years.