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Personal Trainers Pretty much Suck on Average?
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bigdho
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ie Apex sups
I know who makes them and I know they work thats not the problem I have with them. The problem is the price. Its crazy what the charge for a 4 lb tub of rather weak protien and not just to the consumer but to the club . Not to mention that you have to buy into there franchise and pay a retarded amount of money just to sell there product. My main point about them is they are just another profit center that clubs use to milk money from members. Truth be told you could buy sups. that are just as good or better for less than half the money.
I know who makes them and I know they work thats not the problem I have with them. The problem is the price. Its crazy what the charge for a 4 lb tub of rather weak protien and not just to the consumer but to the club . Not to mention that you have to buy into there franchise and pay a retarded amount of money just to sell there product. My main point about them is they are just another profit center that clubs use to milk money from members. Truth be told you could buy sups. that are just as good or better for less than half the money.
InTraining
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WalkingBeast said:
LOL!!! Funny shit bro
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UA_Iron
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Personal trainers do suck on average. They got nothing that I would benefit from. Like someone else said they have their clients do all this geigh stuff with stability balls, pink dumbbells, and isolation machines. I think its based on the idea that "I dont want to get huge, or bulky" which is completely BS. People obviously dont realize what it takes to get huge.
Muscle is muscle, might as well go the most effective route to get there...IE compound lifts, free weights.
Muscle is muscle, might as well go the most effective route to get there...IE compound lifts, free weights.
I agree that most personal trainers suck, but let me at least help you guys understand what PT's deal with
The average client is:
-unmotivated
-apathetic
-very out-of-shape
-severely posturally f-ed up
Yes putting these people on hardcore freeweight programs would probably help them more than crappy machines, but freeweights are likely to scare them and won't keep them motivated.
THey want to feel worked but not destroyed. Like why would you show up for personal training if you knew you were going to take a pounding by doing deads to failure.
Plus people usually have severe muscle imbalances and postural problems. Those need to be corrected through a combination of flexibility and core stability ball work. Otherwise if you throw people directly into a heavy weight program it will make their imbalances worse.
so have some sympathy for pt's, even the good ones probably start out doing shit that appears lame to most gym rats. It's out of necessity, not everybody is going to make iron such an integral part of their life as we have
The average client is:
-unmotivated
-apathetic
-very out-of-shape
-severely posturally f-ed up
Yes putting these people on hardcore freeweight programs would probably help them more than crappy machines, but freeweights are likely to scare them and won't keep them motivated.
THey want to feel worked but not destroyed. Like why would you show up for personal training if you knew you were going to take a pounding by doing deads to failure.
Plus people usually have severe muscle imbalances and postural problems. Those need to be corrected through a combination of flexibility and core stability ball work. Otherwise if you throw people directly into a heavy weight program it will make their imbalances worse.
so have some sympathy for pt's, even the good ones probably start out doing shit that appears lame to most gym rats. It's out of necessity, not everybody is going to make iron such an integral part of their life as we have
ghettostudmuffin
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I mostly have disagree with that post casualBB.
I agree that they probably have clients that are unmotivated and that's probably because the damn PT doesn't push them hard enough to see results. Part of a PT's job is to motivate the client.
Very out of shape huh. Ok, but the body adapts very fast. You can start them out light and build up in a rather short period of time.
Not everyone that hires a PT is severely posturally fucked up. And as far as I can tell, most lifters posture isn't that great either on average. I should know, I was in the Navy so I know a little about posture.
Free weights probably do intimidate the newbs, but that's why I feel PT's do a diservice to their clinets by making them believe that machines are just as good as barbells and dumbells, when for the most part, they are not. Which is better, get them accustomed to free weights and good form quickly, or have them wait along time before getting into them. That's like taking a step forward and then a step back which definitely isn't the same as 2 steps forward, 1 back.
I personally never try to feel destroyed after a workout. Thoroughly worked or maybe a little tired, ok. Feeling strong and worked being even better. It's part of the PT's job to figure out what the client can handle as far as intensity, volume and frequency goes. With those little charts they carry it should become obvious very quickly whether or not their client is overdoing it. As for too much intensity, that is pretty easy to circumvent. NO training to failure. It's not even neccesary imo. I might have them do it for the first workout or 2 on a couple exercises so they know what it is, but it's not necessary to go to momentary muscular failure. That's get's rid of most of the too much intensity as long as exercise and set volume is reasonable. Overstraining on sets should be avoided. No need for the whole body to shake and such on a set for the most part. That's overkill. A PT should have the experience to know when to tell a person to end a set. It's not hard to tell when a person is getting close to failure.
Most people in general have muscle imbalances. A simple supervised and structured 10-15 minute full body stretch before each workout will take care of flexibility issues. Postural problems can be addressed by making the client aware of what correct posture is and how it feels. Generally things to avoid that affect posture negatively can be explained rather easily.
Abs should be done either first thing or last depending on your guidelines as a PT. I prefer after, but that's just me. For others I'd probably say before to make sure they do the ab work justice. Strong abs using weighted situps, crunches and leg raises is key to developing a strong mid-section and posture. I never see PT's have their clients do a weighted ab workout. 1000 reps and/or 10 different variations of crunches does not equate to strong abs.
I'm not doggin good PT's. But 99% of the PT's I have seen at different gyms do indeed suck. And I know what exercises are done to correct postural and structural imbalances and I'm pretty good at guessing what an exercise is supposed to do if I've never seen it before do to experience and common sense, 2 things most PT's seem to lack.
And for most PT's, their utter lack of strength and size doesn't help their case.
I repeat, I respect good PT's, but honestly, most SUCK.
I agree that they probably have clients that are unmotivated and that's probably because the damn PT doesn't push them hard enough to see results. Part of a PT's job is to motivate the client.
Very out of shape huh. Ok, but the body adapts very fast. You can start them out light and build up in a rather short period of time.
Not everyone that hires a PT is severely posturally fucked up. And as far as I can tell, most lifters posture isn't that great either on average. I should know, I was in the Navy so I know a little about posture.
Free weights probably do intimidate the newbs, but that's why I feel PT's do a diservice to their clinets by making them believe that machines are just as good as barbells and dumbells, when for the most part, they are not. Which is better, get them accustomed to free weights and good form quickly, or have them wait along time before getting into them. That's like taking a step forward and then a step back which definitely isn't the same as 2 steps forward, 1 back.
I personally never try to feel destroyed after a workout. Thoroughly worked or maybe a little tired, ok. Feeling strong and worked being even better. It's part of the PT's job to figure out what the client can handle as far as intensity, volume and frequency goes. With those little charts they carry it should become obvious very quickly whether or not their client is overdoing it. As for too much intensity, that is pretty easy to circumvent. NO training to failure. It's not even neccesary imo. I might have them do it for the first workout or 2 on a couple exercises so they know what it is, but it's not necessary to go to momentary muscular failure. That's get's rid of most of the too much intensity as long as exercise and set volume is reasonable. Overstraining on sets should be avoided. No need for the whole body to shake and such on a set for the most part. That's overkill. A PT should have the experience to know when to tell a person to end a set. It's not hard to tell when a person is getting close to failure.
Most people in general have muscle imbalances. A simple supervised and structured 10-15 minute full body stretch before each workout will take care of flexibility issues. Postural problems can be addressed by making the client aware of what correct posture is and how it feels. Generally things to avoid that affect posture negatively can be explained rather easily.
Abs should be done either first thing or last depending on your guidelines as a PT. I prefer after, but that's just me. For others I'd probably say before to make sure they do the ab work justice. Strong abs using weighted situps, crunches and leg raises is key to developing a strong mid-section and posture. I never see PT's have their clients do a weighted ab workout. 1000 reps and/or 10 different variations of crunches does not equate to strong abs.
I'm not doggin good PT's. But 99% of the PT's I have seen at different gyms do indeed suck. And I know what exercises are done to correct postural and structural imbalances and I'm pretty good at guessing what an exercise is supposed to do if I've never seen it before do to experience and common sense, 2 things most PT's seem to lack.
And for most PT's, their utter lack of strength and size doesn't help their case.
I repeat, I respect good PT's, but honestly, most SUCK.
Griz1
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OK let's put this in perspective.
Personally I wouldn't waste my coin on a PT either. I've seen the same bullshit going on in my gym too. None of the clients seem to break a sweat, lame ass excersises, etc.
However, if...IF a PT wants to have a client base, what's he gonna do when some fat assed housewife, or desk jockey says I want to look like a magazine model? Is he going to work them like they should (intense, diet-concious, focussed workout regieme) and then have them quit cause they just don't have the commitment level to begin with? Or he could just outline what they REALLY have to do to shed that fat ass and gut, and have them bail before they pay the consult fee?
Or....OOOORRR...
Is he going to get them some general excersise that will definately improve their health and daily well-being and get paid in an ongoing fashoin?
If I was a PT, I'd lose 99% of my clients before the first week was out cause I'd be dropping or replacing calories in thier diet, and have them soaked with sweat after an initial breaking in period. I mean what do these guys do? Put an ad out that says "I'll be your personal trainer but only if your 110% dedicated and not gonna "flake out" on me?
If I ever was to hire a PT, I'd be telling him "O.K. put away your usual round of bullshit and understand I'm here to work my ass off. If I'm not in competitive shape in X months, you're fired AND I'm gonna fuck your wife."
It's a business like anything else. Ever notice when you order food that is advertised as "HOT and SPICY" it barely rates above table pepper? It's toned down to the lowest common denominator just like PTs are doing (albiet some are just plain idiots to begin with).
Personally I wouldn't waste my coin on a PT either. I've seen the same bullshit going on in my gym too. None of the clients seem to break a sweat, lame ass excersises, etc.
However, if...IF a PT wants to have a client base, what's he gonna do when some fat assed housewife, or desk jockey says I want to look like a magazine model? Is he going to work them like they should (intense, diet-concious, focussed workout regieme) and then have them quit cause they just don't have the commitment level to begin with? Or he could just outline what they REALLY have to do to shed that fat ass and gut, and have them bail before they pay the consult fee?
Or....OOOORRR...
Is he going to get them some general excersise that will definately improve their health and daily well-being and get paid in an ongoing fashoin?
If I was a PT, I'd lose 99% of my clients before the first week was out cause I'd be dropping or replacing calories in thier diet, and have them soaked with sweat after an initial breaking in period. I mean what do these guys do? Put an ad out that says "I'll be your personal trainer but only if your 110% dedicated and not gonna "flake out" on me?
If I ever was to hire a PT, I'd be telling him "O.K. put away your usual round of bullshit and understand I'm here to work my ass off. If I'm not in competitive shape in X months, you're fired AND I'm gonna fuck your wife."
It's a business like anything else. Ever notice when you order food that is advertised as "HOT and SPICY" it barely rates above table pepper? It's toned down to the lowest common denominator just like PTs are doing (albiet some are just plain idiots to begin with).
ghettostudmuffin
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Good post.
