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JKurz1

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I'm in Search of the perfect pre-bed meal.....train late, and need something to get me through the night....maybe 15 minutes before crashing......tried shakes, peanuts, and veggies....just dont hold me over.........anyone have a good choice?

I was thinking maybe some oats and casein


or maybe a fat ANPB and Jelly sammich????????
 
I've been looking for something other than cottage cheese + almonds.....
 
I will PAY for the perfect meal........does anyone do oats? Sandwhiches? Carbs kinda scare me that late........
 
My last meal is 10 oz chicken breast 2 cups brown rice and a sweet potato. Sometimes I replace the potato with oats. Have a look at my off season diet construction thread on down in this forum to shead some light on things.
 
I just need to get something in place so I stop waking up at 2am rummaging through the cupboards and fridge. How the hell do you stop this?

I'm waist deep before I'm even awake enought to realize what I'm doing and by the time I do I'm so damn determined to eat something I almost do not care what it is. Hell my dog's so scared I'll eat her she won't come out from under the bed.

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It's not easy.....Like I said, I have had a huge casein shake and 3-4 handfuls of peanuts, which does nothing for me but leave me feeling like a bloated whale in the am...so, then I end up doing cardio which is killing my weight gain process...I need a guilt free, GOOD snack food while I watch the tube and crash.......Popcorn would be perfect if it wasnt such a garbage food......
 
Not a snack, but my last meal before I go to bed is as follows.

1/4lb ground beef
3 whole eggs w/ some cheese
1 cup of milk
1/2 cup of blueberries

You are not going to be eating for a long time. You need to eat.
 
ProtienFiend said:
popcorn isnt THAT bad
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compared with oats: similar nutrient profile with a slightly high GI (~10-15pts)

not SO bad imo. one of the better "snack carbs" out there next to some cereals (fiber one) and triscuits (now that they dont hydrogenate their oils anymore).
 
sink your teeth into a piece of meat/fish; add source of fats and (perhaps) fiber - is this not perfect?
 
juve said:
sink your teeth into a piece of meat/fish; add source of fats and (perhaps) fiber - is this not perfect?
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its excellent... should keep you anabolic/anti-catabolic all night and dont have to worry about unused carbs!
 
I don't think carbs are necessary before bed. I go with 8 egg whites, 4 yolks, scrambled with a dash of pepper and cheese. I top it off with 40 grams of whey. Sounds perfect to me...
 
psilo said:
I don't think carbs are necessary before bed. I go with 8 egg whites, 4 yolks, scrambled with a dash of pepper and cheese. I top it off with 40 grams of whey. Sounds perfect to me...
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ok...but what are your goals???
 
I do this regardless of cutting or bulking, maybe without the cheese when I'm cutting and I would probably drop down to 6 whites, 3 yolks. Sure, it's not the best quality fat, but then again I don't want to eat lean chicken and olive oil for every meal. Regardless, I don't like carbs before bed.
 
slyder190 said:
Doesn't hold you over? So what, do you dream about being hungry?
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hahahahahahhaa.......but anyways, I wake up at 2am starving and it sucks...that's what doesnt hold me over means.......
 
Jkurz -- are you excluding aspartame at all from your diet? The reason I was asking was...... I made SF, FF instant jello pudding with the Carb Countdown milk (FF) and it tasted great!! What if you made that, divided it into 2 servings & added protein powder?? You may need to add more than 2 cups milk but see how it goes?

Just an idea in case you were still looking for ideas....
 
I go for 30 grams of whey and a few hardboiled eggs before bed, but I still usually have to get up about 4 hrs later hungry as hell. I think is turned into a routine, my body get hungry at that time because I feed it at that time every night. I need to stay in bed and break the habit b/c at 4:30am I tend to go right for the junk food.
 
JKurz1 said:
It's not easy.....Like I said, I have had a huge casein shake and 3-4 handfuls of peanuts, which does nothing for me but leave me feeling like a bloated whale in the am...so, then I end up doing cardio which is killing my weight gain process...I need a guilt free, GOOD snack food while I watch the tube and crash.......Popcorn would be perfect if it wasnt such a garbage food......
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Jkurtz , this whole thread sounds like you want someone to tell you what you wanna hear. If you not willing to make adjustments then it pointless to ask advise.

Plus, how can a little Ohio boy like you be a bloated whale :chainsaw:
 
gjohnson5 said:
Jkurtz , this whole thread sounds like you want someone to tell you what you wanna hear. If you not willing to make adjustments then it pointless to ask advise.

Plus, how can a little Ohio boy like you be a bloated whale :chainsaw:
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What do I want to hear? Cmon, tell me........

On a serious note, I havent seen you offer an solid piece of advice to anyone on these boards....I'm not going to get into a flame war with you cause that's exactly what you want.....you tried to start the feud between me and NJ, and you PMs to me telling me to kick his ass and what not were such a joke......just do me a favor, lose the attiutude and make a postive contribution to this board for once..... :rolleyes:
 
JKurz1 said:
What do I want to hear? Cmon, tell me........

On a serious note, I havent seen you offer an solid piece of advice to anyone on these boards....I'm not going to get into a flame war with you cause that's exactly what you want.....you tried to start the feud between me and NJ, and you PMs to me telling me to kick his ass and what not were such a joke......just do me a favor, lose the attiutude and make a postive contribution to this board for once..... :rolleyes:
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as far as NJ goes , you should have kicked his ass the way he was doggin' ya....
I was just jokin, so relax mr ohio.

I was going to offer advise but I cant offer advise to people who don't want to listen...
 
JKurz1 said:
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I got one:
chilidog
pizza
pork sausage

:-) forgot to say I was just kidding

But it should be low GI because of GH secretion and have decent protein for anti catabolic effect.

I was going to say sunflower seeds and after reading this, maybe that not too bad a choice. This shopuld have a list of low GI foods Look into the ones that are better protein sources.
http://diabetes.about.com/library/mendosagi/ngilists.htm
 
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JKurz1 said:
I will PAY for the perfect meal........does anyone do oats? Sandwhiches? Carbs kinda scare me that late........
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What time do you train? If you train in the evening or late afternoon, then carbs aren't that bad late at night. Provided its low gi carbs. afterall, the body does not "know" it is night time so hence carbs consumed just before bed are not necessarily converted to fat. carbs will only convert to fat if glycogen stores are full. so for instance you could stagger your carb intake in the day with the aim of incorporating some of your carb "allowance" at night.
thats what i do and i have very low body fat and always go to bed with a full tummy .... just don't sleep as well as when i take in protein exclusively

a suggestion - 40 g steel cut oats (made up with water), 1 scoop of whey blended with half a banana to give it flavour. Sprinkle with a teaspoon of sesame seeds and flaxseeds ... (i know this sounds more like a breakfast but just my 2 cents worth) .....
 
nicky007 said:
What time do you train? If you train in the evening or late afternoon, then carbs aren't that bad late at night. Provided its low gi carbs. afterall, the body does not "know" it is night time so hence carbs consumed just before bed are not necessarily converted to fat. carbs will only convert to fat if glycogen stores are full. so for instance you could stagger your carb intake in the day with the aim of incorporating some of your carb "allowance" at night.
thats what i do and i have very low body fat and always go to bed with a full tummy .... just don't sleep as well as when i take in protein exclusively

a suggestion - 40 g steel cut oats (made up with water), 1 scoop of whey blended with half a banana to give it flavour. Sprinkle with a teaspoon of sesame seeds and flaxseeds ... (i know this sounds more like a breakfast but just my 2 cents worth) .....
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Is that what your pre-bed meal looks like? 40g steel oats is how many cups of rolled? 3/4?
 
JKurz1 said:
Is that what your pre-bed meal looks like? 40g steel oats is how many cups of rolled? 3/4?
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Yeah that's what I have before bed on most days. I am female so maybe you can take slightly more oats .... 40g rolled oats would be half a cup approximately .... but steel oats meant to be much better than rolled
 
quit a bit for a female, no? Actually, I used to think steel cut were a ton better than rolled too....not true....organic 100% rolled are comparable...just stay away from the quickies............
 
40g of oats has approx 150 calories so hardly that much - even for a female! also, i don't take in alot of calories in the day as i structure my eating with the knowledge that i will be enjoying my bowl of oats later much later in the day :p
 
250 grams of low fat cottage cheese, sunflower seeds a 100 gram, a handfull of almonds. 1 tablespoon of peanut butter, with 100 grams special K use a protein shake for the milk. It works for me and when I wake up my weight goes down about half a pound.
 
250 grams is about one cup of cottage cheese, you could maybe lower a bit of the sunflower seeds if you are concerned. You could play with it a bit but for myself this works best.
 
I would stay away from the skim its all sugar, just have a protein shake with the 100 gram of special K a little bit of carbs should be ok, 3 handfuls of peanuts sounds good just as long as your hand is not the size of the big show :) the casin powder good too. Try it see if it works for you.
 
Sta11ion said:
I would stay away from the skim its all sugar, just have a protein shake with the 100 gram of special K a little bit of carbs should be ok, 3 handfuls of peanuts sounds good just as long as your hand is not the size of the big show :) the casin powder good too. Try it see if it works for you.
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Nah man..the carb sense skim has like a g of sugar...its great stuff...high in pro. low in sugar and carbs....

Special K is junk boss....seriously....99% of cereals havbe no place in BB......fiber one is an exception...I'd do the cup of oats if I were you......can I see your current diet? Stats?
 
The diet is at this moment to gain some weight, it starts at 8:30 am 8 egg whites with one cup of oats
10:30 one cup of half of cottage cheese low fat one cup of oats
12:30 pm 400 grams of chicken 200 grams of turkey, also whole wheat pasta one cup
3:00pm 8 egg whites one cup of oatmeal and half a cup of cottage chease or protein shake with special K(now I will change that to fibre)
6:00 pm half a pound of steak grade a with a cup of whole wheat pasta with veg
sleep for half a hour on days to train start training around 8 pm come back around 9:30 protein shake 60 g proteinsome chicken 200 grams befor sleep around 11:30 -12:00 what I mentioned to you before. Stats are 194 pound 5'9 1/2 body fat is around 10.4 %. Trying to hit a little over two hundrend before december.
 
Also over 2 litres of water a day, I usually have 4 protein shakes a day its what I put with the oats and cereal but I reaaly dont count those. I beleive they do nothing anyway :0
Sta11ion said:
The diet is at this moment to gain some weight, it starts at 8:30 am 8 egg whites with one cup of oats
10:30 one cup of half of cottage cheese low fat one cup of oats
12:30 pm 400 grams of chicken 200 grams of turkey, also whole wheat pasta one cup
3:00pm 8 egg whites one cup of oatmeal and half a cup of cottage chease or protein shake with special K(now I will change that to fibre)
6:00 pm half a pound of steak grade a with a cup of whole wheat pasta with veg
sleep for half a hour on days to train start training around 8 pm come back around 9:30 protein shake 60 g proteinsome chicken 200 grams befor sleep around 11:30 -12:00 what I mentioned to you before. Stats are 194 pound 5'9 1/2 body fat is around 10.4 %. Trying to hit a little over two hundrend before december.
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you need some dex in your PW shake bro....how do u like training so damn late? I couldnt handle it......any cardio? you want to put on mass, I might bump the cals a touch.....maybe some peanut butter, some whole eggs, steaks, etc.......

how close to bed in you last meal of oats, etc?
 
What is this Dex I always forget to ask about it when I get my supplements?I do ad some peanut butter in there as well, I eat almost 20 too thirty minutes before I go to sleep. As for cardio I dont do it, its very diffucult for me to gain the weight easy to get hard and lean. I do mui tai when I need to get ripped thats about it but I stay away from cardio. How much peanut butter would you say a day? .....As for training late I sleep for 30 minutes before I go it rejuvinates me. My days are busy as for nights so I put were I can do it. I was thinking about leaving the office at 12:00pm go train then come back but i'm not sure. Some friends of mine swear by the morning thing but for me to wake up at 6:30 am then start training at 7:00am its not for me. Then be at the office at 9:00am to much in rush. Also I will have to go to sleep at 10:00pm. I like to stay up a little late. Maybe when I get married have kids and my night life is gone then yes :)
 
Dextrose is a simple carb, with a very high gi....perfect for PW......I usually add in 2-3 tbs of peanut butter and a tb or so of flax throughout the day......you train late night, so your nights are shot anyways......who not train at 630am and save your nights to relax?

I train late for me (6pm) slam my shake around 7pm and then munch on peanuts, veggies, cottage cheese, and a thick shake before bed around 930. My problem is I feel guilty for such a smorgishborg of food that I wake up again at 5am and do cardio....sucks...killing my gains!
 
But to me it seems what you are eating before bed is actually good, the fats that you are having are good the protein is good. It looks good, when I was dieting for some amatuer show I got reuined because I was staying away from eating before three hours before bed. That made me lose my gains...as for cardio what is your heart rate at? For me when I would do mui tai it would stay between 125 to 140 for about half a hour. For myself if I passed that time or heart rate I would lose size and weight...... I admire people who put this much dedication like yourself who actualy watch to the T there diet and training. Like I said before to me what you are eating is good.
JKurz1 said:
Dextrose is a simple carb, with a very high gi....perfect for PW......I usually add in 2-3 tbs of peanut butter and a tb or so of flax throughout the day......you train late night, so your nights are shot anyways......who not train at 630am and save your nights to relax?

I train late for me (6pm) slam my shake around 7pm and then munch on peanuts, veggies, cottage cheese, and a thick shake before bed around 930. My problem is I feel guilty for such a smorgishborg of food that I wake up again at 5am and do cardio....sucks...killing my gains!
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The way it looks to me jkurz, is that you have a low BF% right now and like the abs, but at the same time you want to get bigger.

I think you need to pick one. If you really want to gain muscular bodyweight, then you ARE gonna gain some fat. It doesn't matter how perfect you eat, in order to gain muscular weight you need to take in a caloric surplus so some BF is gonna join a long. Now how you eat those extra calories and train will determine how much muscle to fat you gain. You're too stuck in abs land amigo. If you want to put on muscular bodyweight, eating right before bed is a good way to go. A bad way if you're trying to lose weight, but a great way if you're trying to gain.

I'd probably make simple blender bomb.

From Super Squats,slightly modified:

3 cups carb sense milk
2 scoops whey
1/4 cup nutritional brewer's yeast
1/2 banana
1 tbsp lecithin
1 tbsp wheat germ oil
1 small scoop vanilla ice cream

That will pack some pounds on ya. If you kept your diet the same and just drank 1 of these before bed you would gain weight, but you won't turn into a fat whale lmao.
 
Ab what? lol...of course I like having abs, as I should, I busted my ass 2x a day and dieting hard to get there.....now? I don't care....I've learned its one or the other + it's fall,winter, so unless I want to freeze, I need to up the cals....

The meal I have now pre-bed (4 handfuls peanuts, casein shake, some veggies with ff dip) I believe is more cals than your posted meal, and I'm BARELY putting on weight....up a lb, down 2, up 2, down one....saga continues....I guess I need to finally do away with the fasted cardio....however, that will much harder than losing my abs...
 
JKurz1 said:
Ab what? lol...of course I like having abs, as I should, I busted my ass 2x a day and dieting hard to get there.....now? I don't care....I've learned its one or the other + it's fall,winter, so unless I want to freeze, I need to up the cals....

The meal I have now pre-bed (4 handfuls peanuts, casein shake, some veggies with ff dip) I believe is more cals than your posted meal, and I'm BARELY putting on weight....up a lb, down 2, up 2, down one....saga continues....I guess I need to finally do away with the fasted cardio....however, that will much harder than losing my abs...
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You test levels from the blood test will have a negative effect on you gaining mass.
 
GhettoStudMuffin said:
The way it looks to me jkurz, is that you have a low BF% right now and like the abs, but at the same time you want to get bigger.

I think you need to pick one. If you really want to gain muscular bodyweight, then you ARE gonna gain some fat. It doesn't matter how perfect you eat, in order to gain muscular weight you need to take in a caloric surplus so some BF is gonna join a long. Now how you eat those extra calories and train will determine how much muscle to fat you gain. You're too stuck in abs land amigo. If you want to put on muscular bodyweight, eating right before bed is a good way to go. A bad way if you're trying to lose weight, but a great way if you're trying to gain.

I'd probably make simple blender bomb.

From Super Squats,slightly modified:

3 cups carb sense milk
2 scoops whey
1/4 cup nutritional brewer's yeast
1/2 banana
1 tbsp lecithin
1 tbsp wheat germ oil
1 small scoop vanilla ice cream

That will pack some pounds on ya. If you kept your diet the same and just drank 1 of these before bed you would gain weight, but you won't turn into a fat whale lmao.
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Dude in one post you say to stay away from soy and here you're advising someone to take lecithin :-) Get your stuff straight.

Do you know the nutritional breakdown of this? Also what does brewer's yeast have to do with weight gain?
 
Lecithin is soy based I know. It's a supplement, not 10 grams of soy protein, not even a gram. It's found in every cell of your body.

You know who was a big proponent of Lecithin? Bill Starr, you might try reading his book the "Strongest Shall Survive" sometime. You'd learn something. I do know the properties of lecithin, but I'm not gonna sit here and explain them to you.

Brewer's yeast? Lol. This would take too long to list the many benefits of it. It's considered a super food. Look it up if you want to learn more about it.

As for the protein shake, not sure the nutritional breakdown of it, but it came from the book Super Squats and I am happy to own a copy, great book.

If what you are eating isn't making you gain weight at the rate you want then eat more. It's a pretty simple equation really. You might want to ditch the cardio totally, but if not, then you gotta make up for it by eating more.

How much protein do you take in a day?
 
JKurz1 said:
Dextrose is a simple carb, with a very high gi....perfect for PW......I usually add in 2-3 tbs of peanut butter and a tb or so of flax throughout the day......you train late night, so your nights are shot anyways......who not train at 630am and save your nights to relax?

I train late for me (6pm) slam my shake around 7pm and then munch on peanuts, veggies, cottage cheese, and a thick shake before bed around 930. My problem is I feel guilty for such a smorgishborg of food that I wake up again at 5am and do cardio....sucks...killing my gains!
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I think I see the problem. Your not getting enough carbs post workout. If I were you I would have another 100 grams carbs with your protein at 9 P.M.
 
GhettoStudMuffin said:
Lecithin is soy based I know. It's a supplement, not 10 grams of soy protein, not even a gram. It's found in every cell of your body.

You know who was a big proponent of Lecithin? Bill Starr, you might try reading his book the "Strongest Shall Survive" sometime. You'd learn something. I do know the properties of lecithin, but I'm not gonna sit here and explain them to you.

Brewer's yeast? Lol. This would take too long to list the many benefits of it. It's considered a super food. Look it up if you want to learn more about it.

As for the protein shake, not sure the nutritional breakdown of it, but it came from the book Super Squats and I am happy to own a copy, great book.

If what you are eating isn't making you gain weight at the rate you want then eat more. It's a pretty simple equation really. You might want to ditch the cardio totally, but if not, then you gotta make up for it by eating more.

How much protein do you take in a day?
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I didn't ask you to recite something you read about brewer's yeast. The question is what does brewer's yeast have to do with weight gain. I know iit contains b1 , b2 ,and b3. But I can take a mulivitamin and get that...
 
What do u think?


MEAL 1
1 cup rolled oats 320 6 60 10
1 Scoop Whey 115 1.5 5 30
1 Cup egg whites 200 1 3 30
1 tb ANPB 100 8 6 6

Meal 2 - 9:15 AM
1/2 cup rolled oats 160 3 30 5
1 cup carb sense skim 70 0 3 11
2 Scoops Czsein protein225 3 12 45
1 tb of flax 100 8 5 9

Meal 3 - 12:00PM
Large Salad 100 0 20 3
7oz Chicken 275 4 3 45
7oz Yams 200 1 60 1
Mixed Veggies 100 1 25 1

Meal 4 -2:45PM
1/2 cup dry curd cc 75 1 2 18
1 scoop casein 125 1.5 6 28
1/2 cup rolled oats 150 3 30 5

Meal 5 - 6 PM
2 scoop whey 225 3 12 45
scoop glucose 125 0 40 0

Meal 6 - 9 PM
2 cup dry curd cc 75 1 2 18
1 scoop casein 125 1.5 6 28
Hot cocoa mix 50 1 4 1
1 cup carb sense skim 70 0 3 11
4-5 handfuls of peanuts 225 20 15 10
 
JKurz1 said:
I'm in Search of the perfect pre-bed meal.....train late, and need something to get me through the night....maybe 15 minutes before crashing......tried shakes, peanuts, and veggies....just dont hold me over.........anyone have a good choice?

I was thinking maybe some oats and casein


or maybe a fat ANPB and Jelly sammich????????
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Glycerlean and water CLA
 
I eat this right before going to bed only on training days. Protien and fats, hardly any carbs. I wake up feeling great the next day. If I dont eat this before bed on training days, I wake up starving and weak. I consume carbs as soon as I wake up.

Pre-bedtime meal
2 fillets of sole. Cooked in extra-v olive oil, with minced garlic and ginger. 1 additional tb of Udos choice EFA blend. 1 large glass of atkins milk (not to large though, I hate waking up to piss in the middle of the night). 2 Solaray multis and a B-Complex.

The sole fillets take me 2 mins to cook. They are cheap and tasty.
 
thanks bro....I'm been rolling with the cup of cottage cheese, 3-4 handfulls of peanuts and some sarb sense milk...........perfect for me.
 
JKurz1 said:
What do u think?


MEAL 1
1 cup rolled oats 320 6 60 10
1 Scoop Whey 115 1.5 5 30
1 Cup egg whites 200 1 3 30
1 tb ANPB 100 8 6 6

Meal 2 - 9:15 AM
1/2 cup rolled oats 160 3 30 5
1 cup carb sense skim 70 0 3 11
2 Scoops Czsein protein225 3 12 45
1 tb of flax 100 8 5 9

Meal 3 - 12:00PM
Large Salad 100 0 20 3
7oz Chicken 275 4 3 45
7oz Yams 200 1 60 1
Mixed Veggies 100 1 25 1

Meal 4 -2:45PM
1/2 cup dry curd cc 75 1 2 18
1 scoop casein 125 1.5 6 28
1/2 cup rolled oats 150 3 30 5

Meal 5 - 6 PM
2 scoop whey 225 3 12 45
scoop glucose 125 0 40 0

Meal 6 - 9 PM
2 cup dry curd cc 75 1 2 18
1 scoop casein 125 1.5 6 28
Hot cocoa mix 50 1 4 1
1 cup carb sense skim 70 0 3 11
4-5 handfuls of peanuts 225 20 15 10
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I thought you were trying to add as much muscle mass as possible on this diet. I am looking at your carbs after workout and there hardly is any. You need to up your carbs dude. The first two meals after you workout should supply about 1/2 of your total carb intake for the day. You want the muscle then you need the carbs post workout. You need at least 100 grams carbs right after your workout and then again 2 hours later. You can actually go 90 minutes later and then squeeze one more meal with no carbs before bed.
 
Since I train so close to bed, (I'm in bed by 9:30 because I have to be up at 430), I take in most of my carbs during the day to fuek my workout. Then I get my quick carbs immidiately following, and then the cottage cheese , peanuts, etc. to aid in musle repair............protein and fats are of the concern just before bed.........
 
Your muscles will store the carbs and you will have a bigger pump all the time. Just trying to help. My wife eats 75 grams of carbs each meal after she works out for 2 meals. She is growing like a weed.

You would be surprised at how much more muscle you will put on if you eat more carbs after you lift. In fact you will be shocked. 10 years of doing this I know.
 
I hear you bro and am not disputing that in any way..............do you know what 75g of carbs feels like in your stomach 10 minutes before bed????????? lol.....do you guys train late? It's not even late, it's just that it's so damn close to bed............
 
You won't have any carbs in your stomache. You would have your 100 grams glucose with your whey at 6 P.M. and then about 7:30 you could have say 6 servings mashed potatos or rice to give you 100 more grams carbs and your choice of protein and then at 9:30 slam down a protein shake with flax oil. I go to be immidiately after taking my night protein shake and have no problems.

I also don't take any fat with my 2 post workout meals. I want to produce as much insulin as possible and shuttle the carbs and protein into the muscle. More anabolic.

I do train early in the day, however I used to train at the same time as you do and it still seemed to work just fine. If you don't have any fat with your 2 after workout meals your meals will digest faster and therefore you could have a 3rd meal right before bed.

there is nothing wrong with eating right before bed.

Another thing is if you have carb loaded you know where I am comming from. I have carb loaded over 30 times and you basically are doing a mini carb load after you lift for a couple meals. YOur recovery time will be much better along with greater strength increases. You will thank me later. I havent seen many women who are 5'1" and have 26 inch legs@20% bf.

I know it has worked for both my wife and I. I also know it has worked for many others. Remember we are athletes and you need to eat like one. The most important time of the day to eat is after you have beaten your body to death in the gym.
 
Thanks bro...I'm gonna stick with the cottage cheese, peanuts and casein (milk)...just easier to digest for me...I can eat it two minutes before bed and be ok...............I'm still getting my simple cards PW, but the last thing on my mind is a full meal an hour later..........cant stomach it.........
 
Ok. I just thought that since you wait like 3 hours after you have such a small post workout shake you would be catobolic for a while. That shake would be digested 90 minutes after you take it.
 
chipvideo said:
Ok. I just thought that since you wait like 3 hours after you have such a small post workout shake you would be catobolic for a while. That shake would be digested 90 minutes after you take it.
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Extremely senstive stomach bro..that's why the cc works nicely.........
 
JKurz1 said:
Extremely senstive stomach bro..that's why the cc works nicely.........
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I hear ya bro. For some reason I am having some major pain in my ab area. I think it is gas. The only thing I am doing different is adding in another 40 grams of whey first thing in the morning. I guess it could be too high protein for me. I am up to about 330 grams per day. I might stop using whey and just go with the soy instead.
 
Could be, but I wouldnt switch to Soy bro.......that never sat well with me.....what does your diet look like now? I wish I could take your advice, GOD knows I need to put on the weight and add the cals, because my work schedule many times doesnt allow for it........I'm down to 1.5 cups of oats and a 7oz yam as my only starchy carbs all day..........add in a salad, some green beans and my glucose postworkout and my carbs are it..........sucks.
 
This is a rough guideline on a lifting day.

9:00 a.m. 40 grams whey
10:00 a.m. Lift
11:30 a.m. 100 grams dextrose,20 grams glutamine
1:30 p.m. 6 servings instant mashed potatos(100 grams carbs,12 grams protein), 6 oz can of King Salmon(about 35 grams protien).
4:00 p.m. 2 cups quaker oats(100 grams carbs,20 grams protein),2 cups chocolate carb countdown(24 grams protein,6 grams carbs),10 grams whey
6:30 p.m. 8 oz steak or 8 oz chicken breast,4 servings mashed potatos(64 grams carbs) or rice(about 60 grams carbs worth)
9:00 p.m. 1 cup of oatmeal,1 cup carb countdown,20 grams whey.
11:30 p.m. 1 cup carb countdown,50 grams aussie caseinate,2 tablespoons flax oil.

I also take 6 grams cla per day as well, 40 grams pyslium husks and digestive enzymes. 500mg vit c every meal.

On my non lifting days I dont have mashed potatos or dextrose. I get most carbs from oatmeal on non lifting days. Also keep my meals at no more than 50 grams carbs on non lifting days.
 
Damn bro...looks good and hefty...must be nice to not wake up until, what? 8? What do you do? Stats? Age?
 
I am lucky I guess. I work 2 months a year. Commercial fisherman in Alaska.

It is not an easy job either. Go as much as 48 hours without sleep. Lose a lot of muscle too. But then again I gain it all back fast.

I am just under 5'10 and am 226 today. About 17% fat. I took a full 13 months off of lifting and have been back since mid July. Before that I would guess I lifted about 12 months over the last 4 year prior. 7 years ago I was up to 265@maybe 20% fat. I have a ways to go yet. This is the cleanest I have ever eaten, so I think I will be able to keep bodyfat much lower. When I get to 235 I will start cutting again. Probably go 2 weeks of low carb and then switch to the anpb diet for 1 week and then go 1 week maintence and then 1 week ketosis again. I like to change things quickly so my body don't get used to it. I love carb loading for the pumps and recovery. I get so tight it hurts.
 
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