People with A.D.D.(attention defecit disorder)

[havoc]

Just thought I would let you know that you really don't have it, no one does, its another one of those "made up" disorders so the pharmaceutical companies can make synthetic pills just to enlarge there surplus. So stop using that as an excuse for having issues with whatever you are having issues with, tell your friends, they will get pissed, but thats always fun at times. peace

 

[The Shadow]

LOL

That's true about 90% of the time.

1 in 10 who are on Meds for ADD don't really have that particular disorder.

 

[needleboy]

Just thought I would let you know that you really don't have it, no one does, its another one of those "made up" disorders so the pharmaceutical companies can make synthetic pills just to enlarge there surplus. So stop using that as an excuse for having issues with whatever you are having issues with, tell your friends, they will get pissed, but thats always fun at times. peace

Agreed!

 

[WODIN]

Pardon me... I was thinking of something else....what?

Hey look a green pig!

Ohhh pretty!!

 

[The Shadow]

Pardon me... I was thinking of something else....what?

Hey look a green pig!

Ohhh pretty!!

There's your 1 in 10.

Maybe that's just the Alzheimers that kicked in when WODIN broke both hips when he tried to walk without his Rascal.

 

[havoc]

Pardon me... I was thinking of something else....what?

Hey look a green pig!

Ohhh pretty!!

Wodin, that peyote is doing the trick.

 

[needleboy]

What were we talking about??

 

[WODIN]

What's a rascal?

Peyote Kicks ass!!!


"Bitter wine, drink that ????" -

That is from a song....I have no clue anymore what the song was about, or who sang or wrote it. All I remember is that it was a very trippy tune.

Anyone?

It's been running laps around my brain now for a month!! Arrgh!!!

 

[The Shadow]

Rascal???

Since they may be a regional phenomenon, here is a pic:







This is like a base-model. The bigger ones hace mud-grip tires. The commercial shows this old dude truckin thru a mud hole, mud flying everywhere, and the dude is smiling without his dentures.

Funny as shit though.

 

[TheGame2001]

Uh

What?

 

[WODIN]

Rascal???

Since they may be a regional phenomenon, here is a pic:







This is like a base-model. The bigger ones hace mud-grip tires. The commercial shows this old dude truckin thru a mud hole, mud flying everywhere, and the dude is smiling without his dentures.

Funny as shit though.

I HAVE GOT TO GET ME ONE OF THESE!!!!

I have seen these in grocery stores but the people never look happy. That's probably because they're not out muddin.

Anyone have a clue about that lyric snipet I would gladly film you with my new camcorder while you give supersizeme and frorider6 an anal ravaging.

Hey...it all sales people!!!!

 

[the nature boy]

Cornholio, you wanna race? We'll make a movie about Rascal Racing. We'll call it "The Slow and the Sedated"

 

[Crazier]

Just thought I would let you know that you really don't have it, no one does, its another one of those "made up" disorders so the pharmaceutical companies can make synthetic pills just to enlarge there surplus. So stop using that as an excuse for having issues with whatever you are having issues with, tell your friends, they will get pissed, but thats always fun at times. peace

And your girlfriend doesn't have a 'disease' called obesity either bro... she's just a fat bitch...

Just fucking with you Havoc. But, I will say, if you can get your hand's on their med's... pop a couple. Besides talking at 500 words a minute, you'll be cleaning your air vent's with a toothbrush.

Not as good as pot... just different.
--

 

[The Shadow]

Bitter wine???

No clue.

Nature boy - you're on!!!

Slow and Sedated. LOL!

 

[vixenbabe]

I have the attention span the size of a pea.....Unless of course, something interests me......


Corn, that buggy is funny as hell. I'm thinking a set of Toyo Truck tires would look even better on it...WODINSMONSTERBUGGY!

 

[Iceman121]

that is complete BS. I have worked with some ADD kids and there is definateley a diffenence in them and regular children. I have even seen studies done looking at scans of the brain and it shows the activity differences in the brain by ADD and normal children. While I agree that stimulants are prescribed to non-ADD kids by parents that don't want to make their kids behave, it is also underdiagnosed in most real ADD kids, especially girls. 4% of childrens really do have ADD..........go read some studies and clinical info on the subject sometime.......

 

[The Shadow]

that is complete BS. I have worked with some ADD kids and there is definateley a diffenence in them and regular children. I have even seen studies done looking at scans of the brain and it shows the activity differences in the brain by ADD and normal children. While I agree that stimulants are prescribed to non-ADD kids by parents that don't want to make their kids behave, it is also underdiagnosed in most real ADD kids, especially girls. 4% of childrens really do have ADD..........go read some studies and clinical info on the subject sometime.......

We are on the same page. I think you misinterpreted Havoc's point. And that is the the misdiagnosis of ADD happens all the time. Being the husband of a teacher, I can tell you that some kids have a chemical imbalance. However, parents want to have something to blame thier lack of parental responsibility on. ADD is used a lot of the time. Insted of meds, the parents should try a little discipline.

 

[Raina]

I've met lots of kids all drugged up on ritalin. 1 of them actually has a problem (trust me, I love kids but 5 minutes in a car with this ones makes you want to throw him out the window).

When I was younger a teacher wanted me to be put on ritalin. My mom refused saying that I was just a normal energetic little kid. She said she would be more concerned if her 5 year old sat still and was quiet for exteneded periods of time. That's not normal. Kids are curious. They like to have fun. I think a lot of parents are just lazy and instead of dealing with their children, choose to put them in an artificial state of calmness. That's fucked up.

 

[Iceman121]

Cornholio, I agree with you on the misdiagnosis, but I was referring to Havoc saying "no one" has it, and it is a "made up" disorder......

 

[The Shadow]

Cornholio, I agree with you on the misdiagnosis, but I was referring to Havoc saying "no one" has it, and it is a "made up" disorder......

Cool.


Vixenbabe - I'll go muddin with you ANY day.

 

[havoc]

Iceman, good points, but, the kids or anyone with the so called "ADD" do not have "ADD" or the defintion of ADD , its another disorder that is an actual problem, not a "made up" one that is misdiagnosed or to suit the parents or other external needs of the patient. Actual ADD does not exist. peace

 

[madbomber31]

they had a study in one of the medical journals about ADD and ADHD a while back..

ADD became the most over diagnosed disorder in the world in the late 80's and has become even more problematic since....

so i'd have to agree with the statement.

however, some kids i deal with drive me fucking crazy when they dont pay attention and concentrate, but that is just because something else interests them... they concentrate pretty damn good when they are playing games.

 

[Y_lifter]

Does this theory also apply to those diagnosed with E.D. ?

 

[Warik]

Attention deficit disorder, eh? People don't seem to realize that this is the medical term for "your child is bored in school."

Give me a break.

-Warik

 

[saint808]

Cornholio, you wanna race? We'll make a movie about Rascal Racing. We'll call it "The Slow and the Sedated"

my god i damn near choked on my morning shake.... that definately needs to happen!

 

[the nature boy]

my god i damn near choked on my morning shake.... that definately needs to happen!

cornholio can be an old version of Vin Desiel - "I live my life a quarter of a yard at a time." His Rascal can be souped up to 8 volts, with ground effects and a killer steering wheel.

Soundtrack totally comprised of muzak to Limp Bizcut and Korn, etc.

 

[casavant]

Maybe, Havoc, but I'll take Adderall over pot any day. Hhmmmm.........adderall.

 

[booger]

Just thought I would let you know that you really don't have it, no one does, its another one of those "made up" disorders so the pharmaceutical companies can make synthetic pills just to enlarge there surplus. So stop using that as an excuse for having issues with whatever you are having issues with, tell your friends, they will get pissed, but thats always fun at times. peace

I'll drink to that. But so what. I use it as an excuse to get Ritalin. Throw 20mgs of that into your ECA stack and tell me what you think. When I just eat just protein and oil on that stack I go into Ketosis within 4 hours. Real bad breath, BO that smells like skunk oil, temperature over 100, and high as a kite. It's a nice way to make friends and influence people. Actually most people annoy me. It keeps them away.

 

[Gorlim]

they wanted me to take ritdalin to becuase i was a little terror.. but to this day my friends are constantly saying i behave like i have it because i interrupt a lot i dont pay attention when they are talking an im very energetic and spontaneous sometimes... maybe i do need it, some adderal would be nice

 

[Drifter]

Well thats pretty interesting. But I would really like to know what your references are to be making such a bold statement. I'm not saying that people don't get mis-diagnosed but it pisses me off when people talk out of their ass about shit they don't know about.

Its hard enough already dealing with people and their misconceptions about ADD without shit like this being posted. Thanks for your help in making things that much more difficult.

 

[havoc]

Drifter, settle down before I wire your jaw shut with the string from your talking Barbie, next time you want me to confuse you more I'll start a thread with your name on it and ask you what 2 + 2 is,my references would be several articles, periodicals, couple doctors that I know and many other well read individuals on this subject. But let me guess, thats not good enough, you want to see or be directed to a site huh? Well, thats not going to happen either, just going to have to take my word on this. To be honest, I have never conversed with you on here but your outright disrespect and comment about "talking out of my ass" was not necessary, next time this happens I'm goint to take my little nephews whiffle ball bat and plant it right up-side your perforated, cone-shaped shit tunnel. peace

 

[Drifter]

It may have not been necessary but when you make such a statement and don't back it up what do you expect. I thought I actually stayed pretty calm and polite all things considered. This just happens to be a touchy subject for someone who has to deal with it on a daily basis.

I don't claim to know everything about it and I am always doing research so if you do have some pertinent info I would welcome it. And no, I can't just take someones word on it whether you are a doctor or anyone else for that matter. Maybe I'm anal but I like to get as much info as possible and make my own decisions from there.

As for the rest of your post....well, its actually pretty funny when you read it over a few times. I especially like the wire your jaw shut with the string from the barbie lol.

Peace....


BTW, respect isn't automaticaly given but earned.

 

[havoc]

Damn man, I was kidding, that was well taken I thought and I agree, maybe I should of backed it up instead of busting it out of my ass, but seriously, the sources mentiones are all true, again I was just messing with you man, a flame keeps shit alive sometimes and I meant none of it. I'm still suprised you took it like you did, much respect. peace Drifter

 

[Drifter]

Its all good Havoc

I am not doubting your sources whatsoever but the better informed I am the better the decisions I can make. There are very few docs who actually know anything about it (in my experience at least) so when there is someone who has a clue I like to hear what they have to say.

I must admit though that it was one hell of a flame. I'm impressed.

Take it easy....

Drifter

 

[buddy28]

Iceman, good points, but, the kids or anyone with the so called "ADD" do not have "ADD" or the defintion of ADD , its another disorder that is an actual problem, not a "made up" one that is misdiagnosed or to suit the parents or other external needs of the patient. Actual ADD does not exist. peace

you obviously dont know what the fuck your talking about. ANd no, this isnt a flame.

Wheres musclebrians? Hes doing his PHd in psychology. Im sure he could explain the noted brain activity deficits in children who are ADHD (proper term nowadays) , and "normal" children.

Havoc, if you said ADHD is overdiagnosed, you wouldve been right. But your wrong in saying ADHD is a contrived psychological condition to feul pharaceutical sales. ADHD is a valid medical condition, effecting 1-3% of the population at anytime, thats characterised by constant restlessness and lack of focus.

My cousin has ADHD. He is one of the smartest people I know. And Im not saying that cause were on some internet site and I can run my mouth. My cousin, in all honesty, has an IQ of over 160. No shit. And guess what hes doing for work? Factory labour.

Want to know why? Cause he cant settle down and focus. He changes jobs every 3-5 months, dropped outta highschool. I try to hold a conversation with him, and 2 minutes into it, he's changing the topic abrubtly, or takes off to do something else. He's 23. And this is all quite normal. 1/3 of ADHD sufferers learn to lead normal lives with the aid of meds and behavoural modification, 1/3 lead pretty shitty lives, and 1/3 end up in prison, dead, running scams, criminals ect.....

All cause they cant settle down and focus. Another interesting thing.......Individuals diagnosed with ADHD are abnormally intellectually gifted. Around 20-35% of individuals diagnosed as ADHD qualify as genious.

 

[Lao Tzu]

nice one buddy28

 

[Immortal Juicer]

Maybe, Havoc, but I'll take Adderall over pot any day. Hhmmmm.........adderall.

agreed. you guys without add dont know what you are missing.

 

[musclebrains]

A couple of points. I agree with Havoc's underlying thesis. Diagnoses do become "trendy" and they become a means of social control. Along with the over-diagnosis of ADHD (it's certainly real in many cases), there was the sudden explosion about 10 years ago of wards for "problem children" in mental health facilities. Anyone with minimal critical acuity could see that they were really engineered to take the responsibility off parents -- to turn the effects of lousy parenting into a pathology independent of the parents' role. Of course, as soon as insurance companies got wise to the scam, the "pathology" became suddenly much less diagnosed. Most of the wards closed.

Another ridiculous example was the utter explosion in the diagnosis of Multiple Personality Disorder (now called Disassociative Identity Disorder) after -- yes -- "Sybil" came out. We have since learned that many of the real-life Sybil's subpersonalities were fantasies of her therapist. This disorder is beng rarely diagnosed again.

Another example: the epidemic of "recovered memory" of childhood sexual abuse. A patient has a dream that a parent fondles her, and the therapist literalizes it. Or therapists assume there was sexual abuse on the basis of behavioral markers. Even Freud, so rejected by superficial counseling psychology, saw the fraud in this.

The most hilarious -- and the one I have unfortunate experience with -- was the common diagnosis of Satanic cult abuse. I trained with the world's "expert" in this in Calif. and it was clear from the start to me that it was a scam. There has never been a single shred of concrete evidence supporting these widespread "recovered memories" of watching parents murder and devour babies.

Now, to the question of drugs. Even if you put pathology aside, aren't we left with the question of when drugs are appropriately used? You can take Ritalin for the cosmetic effect of improving focus even if you are not ADD. You can take Prozac for all kinds of cosmetic reasons that are unrelated to depression per se. (It can improve social skills and focus, improve productivity.) Interestingly these drugs both act like "speed" and thus fit the culture's demand that we all be high producers.

Is this -- better living through chemistry-- wrong? What is the difference in using Ritalin to improve focus and productivity and using anabolic steroids to improve appearance?

 

[Thick dog]

After a long night with Supersizeme, Havoc developed another form of ADD...Anal Disintegration Disorder

 

[Arioch]

MB, or anyone for that matter, do you know of any reasonable correlation between diet and childhood attention span?

 

[havoc]

Interesting, there are two sides to almost everything, buddy28-I respectively disagree, musclebrains-nice read, back to buddy28- in the future don't disrespect me by saying "I dont know what the fuck I'm talking about", when what I said has just as many references as your side, next time that happens punk, I'm going to rip your tongue out and use it as a tourniquet on the arm i'll hack off and beat your skull to a bloody pulp with. Yes, you may disagree, but there is a "way" to disagree that causes no harm or bad feelings but I suppose it takes you a while to grasp things that aren't male genitals. peace

 

[havoc]

Thick Dipshit- Does it make your little pink pecker stand up like a blind probing tapeworm from a cat's ass to be humiliated in public? It must, cause thats what I always end up doing ya bitch slapped pasty wearing hog humper.

 

[rudedawg]

LOL

That's true about 90% of the time.

1 in 10 who are on Meds for ADD don't really have that particular disorder.

Hey Corn...... Don't bring up any math stuff in your interview OK.

 

[Si|vio]

Havoc- you're the one with ADD, go check the doghouse.

 

[rudedawg]

Iceman, good points, but, the kids or anyone with the so called "ADD" do not have "ADD" or the defintion of ADD , its another disorder that is an actual problem, not a "made up" one that is misdiagnosed or to suit the parents or other external needs of the patient. Actual ADD does not exist. peace

So what is the disorder that is the actual problem?

My son took all the tests and was diagnosed by 5 different psychologists as being ADHD. So please inform me as to what your sources say it is. I know as an elementary student every one of my report cards said "lacks self control, can't sit still, has trouble focusing........etc........ But from what I have read, which is many books and articles (Pro and Con) about ADD/ADHD say that most will grow out of it or learn to deal with it or self medicate.......ie: coke, speed, meth etc......

 

[havoc]

Sir, I'm a verbal herbalist, my phd is in P.assing H.ydro D.ank and nothing else, believe what you must, just say to yourself "havoc is totally wrong", I havent a clue what your son is experiencing but I hope it subsides. peace my good man, and if you have the chance today, tomorrow or whenever, place some high grade in a bubbler or bong, inhale for 7 seconds, then release, Jah be with you on your journeys.

 

[rudedawg]

Yo...... You are not sparking up in here wasteoid.

I can't do that stuff anymore.......just puts me to sleep.

 

[buddy28]

Interesting, there are two sides to almost everything, buddy28-I respectively disagree, musclebrains-nice read, back to buddy28- in the future don't disrespect me by saying "I dont know what the fuck I'm talking about", when what I said has just as many references as your side, next time that happens punk, I'm going to rip your tongue out and use it as a tourniquet on the arm i'll hack off and beat your skull to a bloody pulp with. Yes, you may disagree, but there is a "way" to disagree that causes no harm or bad feelings but I suppose it takes you a while to grasp things that aren't male genitals. peace

Try me Havoc.... You want me to play nice? Be respectfull when I put forth my arguments? Then crack a fucking book before you make uninformed, ignorant comments about a mental pathology you obviously know little about.

References? lol. Post them here. ADHD is a genuine medical condition. Overdiagnosed, yes. Fiction, no. Ive done an undergrad in psych. Musclebrains is doing his PHd. He knows more about ADHD then i do, and confirms, just like every *accredited* psychologist or psychatrist, ADHD exsists.

Try doing alittle more research before u embarrass urself, jackass.

 

[OMEGA]

Re: Re: People with A.D.D.(attention defecit disorder)

to Havocs post
LOL this statement is 100% true 90% of the time

middle class ex hippies who were in the "movemnent" as a stylized way of life that largely had no depth with materialistic kids are way more likely and prone to subject their children to the pop psycho babble and the drugs that correspond to that babble

 

[havoc]

Buddy 28- Tuck that fudge laden party favor back in your flood high liederhosen before I smash that teethed ring for, "future faggots of america" between your twiglike legs with your best pair of wooden tapdancing clogs. I'll just bet you had your brains fucked out by a herd of rampaging rhinocerouses by the way you carry on. I told you dimple dunce, believe what you must, dont worry about what I say, you think in whatever fashion that makes your punk ass self happy. There are references for both arguements. ADD is an excuse, just like depression and similar "fake" diseases and problems, I don't play that shit nor feel any sincerity for garbage like that, its a joke, for people who can't control themselves mentally, and for me , thats not acceptable, I understand that they have some voids, but do something about it, especially if the problem is a persisting one that causes others to suffer.


Omega- You lame leprosy ridden moron, you'd be so much more amusing if I trapped your diseased ass in a wind tunnel, dont get me wrong Homer, I can see that you're ambitious. I can see that you have goals. I can also see that your asshole dangles outside the legs of your shorts like a sick elephants trunk, which leaves you with the credibility I initially gave you, none. peace homes

 

[buddy28]

. ADD is an excuse, just like depression and similar "fake" diseases and problems, I don't play that shit nor feel any sincerity for garbage like that, its a joke, for people who can't control themselves mentally, and for me , thats not acceptable, I understand that they have some voids, but do something about it, especially if the problem is a persisting one that causes others to suffer.

What grade are you in? 10? 11?

Youve got some serious learning to do.