Lol maybe I should have clarified more. I ALWAYS do a good pct and usually do only clomid or Nolva and HCG and don't run the HCG until after my last shot but I have heard alot of bros say they like to start the HCG before. I get good results but not great and just felt something was missing and plan on using all the items I listed. I just wanted to see what everyone thought on dosages etc since there are so many differing opinions.