PCT starts today...

[satchboogie]

ouch...

100mg clomid first 10 days, then 50mg clomid for 20 days
hcg 1500i.u eod for 10 days.
20 mg nolvadex for 30 days

vitmain b12 1000mcg e3d
clen 40mcg a day for first 21 days.

am 96kg.. thats about 212 pounds.

let see what happens.

 

[junk]

Your plan is right except that clomid for 30 days is usually not enough for people who've been on for so long. Read dr. JMW threads about PCT. I did the same mistake of 30 days clomid. 60 days is better, and that's what I've seen used in clinical trials.

 

[Clean]

Your plan is right except that clomid for 30 days is usually not enough for people who've been on for so long. Read dr. JMW threads about PCT. I did the same mistake of 30 days clomid. 60 days is better, and that's what I've seen used in clinical trials.

How long is long enough to do it for more than 30 days

 

[mrflexdiesel]

Best of luck to you Satch! Hope you don't start feeling down in the dumps and not like the man that you used to be . I sure know I did. Coming off is always the worst, but I'm finally used to it I think?

 

[satchboogie]

oh i forgot to mention ill be bridging with 200mg primo first 2 weeks, and 100mg primo for the next 4-6 weeks.

thanks homee.

 

[frotobaggins]

Best of luck to ya Satch. You should get a bloodtest done after you finish your clomid and nolva. If you can recover your hpta while still doing 200mg of primo......that would be great.

 

[halfaclue]

Does the vitamin B12 help with PCT and how so?

 

[frotobaggins]

I believe that b12 lowers cortisol levels, which tend to rise after discontinuing a cycle.

 

[Mr. Black]

B12 also helps for appetite and overall energy levels.

 

[jatca69]

I keep reading clomid and nolvadex do the same thing for you so why both?

 

[Nighthawkk]

what did you cycle look like?

 

[Mr. Black]

why both?

Why not? I incorporate anything and everything to my PCT that even remotely is suggested to aid with endogeneous function. Better to have too much than not enough.

 

[jatca69]

Why not? I incorporate anything and everything to my PCT that even remotely is suggested to aid with endogeneous function. Better to have too much than not enough.

well...not in the case with HCG for example...too much could really f*ck you up, right?

 

[Mr. Black]

well...not in the case with HCG for example...too much could really f*ck you up, right?

Well this is where common sense and proper research applies. You are right though too much/too long of HCG can indeed have a negative effect and you will be worse off.

 

[slat1]

Good luck on your PCT... carefull with the HCG post cycle... don't want gyno!

 

[satchboogie]

for pct, 'they' say nolvadex is superior to clomid.
but i'm not taking chances.

taking both!

 

[junk]

B12 also helps for appetite and overall energy levels.

Very bad for someone who is actually trying to supress appetite rather than increase appetite, such as when trying to cut or after being on a cutter.

 

[halfaclue]

Very bad for someone who is actually trying to supress appetite rather than increase appetite, such as when trying to cut or after being on a cutter.

That is what I thought as well.

Satch...why the B12?

 

[frotobaggins]

I dont think cutting means eating less per se.....but rather eating cleaner. This usually means ( at least for me), eating things that are not what you really want.
With b12 I get really hungry and am able to inhale lots of shity taisting food

 

[slat1]

Oh my God... If Mr. Black replies one more time I am going to hurt myself to his avatar!

 

[UA_Iron]

I am having good results with clomid and protein factory's post cycle and unleashed. Deca kind of killed my sex drive but its coming back fast.