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PCT start after test D ???
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^^^ proviron should not be used in pct. not sure where you got that info but they are dead wrong.
you start your hcg therapy after last shot of test.. then after 3 weeks start pct. but it all depends on how long your cycle was and dosages etc. there is no set time.
you start your hcg therapy after last shot of test.. then after 3 weeks start pct. but it all depends on how long your cycle was and dosages etc. there is no set time.
Anabolic chest
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What dosage of test D are you running on how long have you been running it?
The Decanote ester is very slow realeasing so I'd lean towards beginning pct 4 weeks after the last shot (minimum depending on your answer to the above questions). You don't wanna start pct until all the exogenous test is out of your system as it's just a waste and you won't kickstart your hpta until it's cleared
The Decanote ester is very slow realeasing so I'd lean towards beginning pct 4 weeks after the last shot (minimum depending on your answer to the above questions). You don't wanna start pct until all the exogenous test is out of your system as it's just a waste and you won't kickstart your hpta until it's cleared
your pct is far from complete... nolva is terrible... your also running proviron in pct, which is an aas, so your never coming off... and your attitude is not necessary... if you want help then i would advise against having a bad attitude...
This.
Someone tries to give you advice and your response it to mouth off? Doesn't give anyone else much of a reason to waste their time trying to help.
I believe that PCt should start one week after last shot with some HCG. Then use UNLEASHED and PF POST_CYCLE. Some phytoserms and DAA helps too. Continue for 4-6 weeks and then use BRIDGE to maintain gains.
And yes, using ancilliaries like N2GUARD and HCGenerate during the cycle will help in recovery.
And yes, using ancilliaries like N2GUARD and HCGenerate during the cycle will help in recovery.
yeah ridiculous. what he doesn't get is running ancillaries on cycle are really part of pct.. so when i tell him to run the correct ancillaries i'm really helping him with pct.
specifically running hcgenerate and then hcg/hmg before pct even starts. so really pct techniqually starts week 5 of cycle with hcgenerate as far as i'm concerned.
SinisterUproar
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Is no one going to point out that he's using 1.25 mg of LETRO EVERY 5 days????? Bro you have ZERO estrogen in your body. Are you even making gains?
Anabolic chest
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Why do you believe in starting pct one week after the last shot of a very long acting ester test?
He will still have excess test in his system so how is he gonna get his hpta restarted? Doesn't make sense to me
Anabolic chest
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Surley that depends on the dose of test he is using and how much he personnaly aromotizes T to E as that can vary quite a bit in different people. If he would come back and answer that question for us it would help with when to start pct also
yep letro is a killer. not sure why anyone runs letro .. if you are that gyno prone then stay away from aromatizing compounds or atleast learn how to stack AI's to control estrogen but you never want to kill estrogen.
anabolic chest you are correct. too many guys undershoot PCT. a long acting test like this will be in his system enough to suppress him for a good 5-6 weeks after injection. your body will not wake up while even small amounts of esters in your body are present.. it DOES NOT have to be active esters.. this is why people who run the deca ester have such a hard time recovering and also claim they kept making gains a full month or two after stopping. its not magic, its that you still have small amounts of the decaonate in your body.
anabolic chest you are correct. too many guys undershoot PCT. a long acting test like this will be in his system enough to suppress him for a good 5-6 weeks after injection. your body will not wake up while even small amounts of esters in your body are present.. it DOES NOT have to be active esters.. this is why people who run the deca ester have such a hard time recovering and also claim they kept making gains a full month or two after stopping. its not magic, its that you still have small amounts of the decaonate in your body.
sorry for the attitude, i will be using 3ml sustanon (375mg/ml) week thats 450mg og test D. I cant get HCGenerate or Unleashed 
i live in Denmark, the proviron is only 12.5-25mg ED so it cant be supressiv. The reason i will be using letro is cuz i have a bit gyno, and dont want any more of that shit !!! Stevesmi, so are u saying that a full month after last shot i can still expect some gains cuz of the D ester ??? i am not on the cycle yet but plan to start at 11 feb,
SORRY for my poor english
i live in Denmark, the proviron is only 12.5-25mg ED so it cant be supressiv. The reason i will be using letro is cuz i have a bit gyno, and dont want any more of that shit !!! Stevesmi, so are u saying that a full month after last shot i can still expect some gains cuz of the D ester ??? i am not on the cycle yet but plan to start at 11 feb, SORRY for my poor english
What doesn't make sense is waiting to be suppressed and having to fight your way back up. Start recovering before T levels drop too far. That makes perfect sense to me.
absolutely. you will continue to gain for weeks after last shot. you think after last shot it magically dissapears from your system? its a slow release ester.
emdadshithi
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After all, I have to learn more it seems to me. As I am a newbie here, I can't understand all the terms you all are using up.
Anabolic chest
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That's why I run hcg at 1000iu throughout the cycle and up until pct.
Starting pct with serms (like me) or with natty supps (like you) before the test has cleared isn't gonna do shit but waste them. Their not gonna work until your levels get back below a normal range once the test has cleared. Or am I talking rubbish?
It appears that stevesmi agrees
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I never said anything about ending PCT too soon -- just starting it sooner. That works better and I have hundreds of clients who will attest to that.
I also don't think all that HCG is necessary. A shot at the end gets things moving, but I wouldn't even consider that part of the recovery -- it's just a jump start. UNLEASHED is best used for 2 months. It's funny how people spend so much money on a cycle and bust their ass in the gym for months and then skimp on an extra $29 to get another bottle of UNLEASHED for insurance sake. It's nuts.
okaygreat, but what is the answer then ?? 21 days or 28 or more ???
there is no set answer to your question.
just make sure you run what you should run during cycle so that once you get to pct you aren't pushing a van up a steep hill.
i think bro you just have to gain experience on your own to understand what I am talking about.
yes as I always say pct starts DURING cycle with controlling estrogen, prolactin, progesterone (if all applicable) and then running your lipid supplements and hcgenerate etc. and then blasting hcg and/or HMG.
if you do all that right then once you get to pct it will be a breeze.
i don't think the OP gets this concept.. its that nolva/clomid pct where you do nothing on cycle and just wait to run SERM's that has people confused
^^^ don't use letro on cycle. use an AI with low sides.
after you finish the hcg then start your PCT. not sure why this is complicating you. just make sure you don't undershoot pct since the test ester will stick around a while with deca.
there is no set rules, like i said as you gain experience you will figure out the best way to run your pct.
thats why running blood work is important and learning from trial and error. if you don't learn from your cycles then you will go nowhere
after you finish the hcg then start your PCT. not sure why this is complicating you. just make sure you don't undershoot pct since the test ester will stick around a while with deca.
there is no set rules, like i said as you gain experience you will figure out the best way to run your pct.
thats why running blood work is important and learning from trial and error. if you don't learn from your cycles then you will go nowhere
read my half life thread.
when you stop injecting it slowly tapers down.. so you only have peak levels for 2 weeks with that strategy you are saying.
as long as you keep injecting you mantain peak levels because as your prior injections taper away the additional injections take over. so it balances out.
i'm not saying it stays in peak levels for additional time.. i'm saying it stays at enough levels where it will continue to suppress you for weeks after last injection. thats why idiots who come off cycle for a month then jump on and think they are recovered are not. they didn't even come off to begin with!!
