PCT - slight problem

[mphowells]

(running test e only cycle)

Had a slight problem and without going into detail I not longer have any HCG. I was going to run it with Nolva.

With the above in mind am i ok to go ahead with Nolva and could/should I use AIFM with it (I have head of some people continually using their AIFM through cycle and PCT)???

I have enough Clomid so could use that instead but without gettting into the whole Nolva - Clomid debat I prefer Nolva.

Also, when i do aquire some more HCG can i run at a later date - after PCT?

Thanks for the help.

 

[big greg 82]

for test e you dont really need hcg, you could use it but you will be fine with nolva/aifm or clomid and nolva..

 

[bmcadoo44]

You should be fine with Clomid/Nolva/AIFM.

Yes, you can use the HCG in a later date and yes, it will help your nuts come back to size. But you will need to run the HCG with clomid no matter what.

 

[mphowells]

ok thanks guys thats great.

is it worth running the Nolva with AIFM or just needlessly wasting AIFM?

after bmcadoo44's comment I may as well keep hold of the clomid until the HCG arrives.

 

[littleb]

I always run nolva and clomid, I do not gets sides from clomid though and i also do not front load it like i have read many do....

many moons ago we had no hcg or aifm--- we lived

IMO you be fine with clomid and nolva I still can not speak of aifm as never tried it...

 

[OMEGA]

there are two theories with HCG:

1) run a little bit everyweek (500 ius or so) then near last shot stop using it, wait for half lives of Drugs to clear, then use Clomid, and AI for about 4 weeks. Get blood Test after.

2) Hcg not needed during cycle, then after last shot take Hcg at 1000 ius e3d for 4-5 shots (run with AI wit it)
then commence wit Clomid and AI for the next 4 weeks. Get blood Test after.

both camps have solid reasoning behind it.

 

[mphowells]

Think i will try Nolva and Clomid then and leave the HCG for now.
How's this - with day 1 being 10 days after last injection of test e:

Clomid
Day 1: 300mg
Day 2 to 10: 100mg ED
Day 11 to 21: 50mg ED

Nolva
Days 1 to 14: 40mg ED
Days 15 to 21: 20mg ED

 

[needtogetaas]

Dermacrine by its self would work fine to http://www.dermacrine.com/
no sides like with clomid ether.

 

[AhMadKooL]

I would recommend u getting some HCG. Check out this site it's good info about PCT and gives u a recommendation for what and how much to run:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-roberts/post-cycle-therapy.htm

 

[Mac173]

for test e you dont really need hcg, you could use it but you will be fine with nolva/aifm or clomid and nolva..

Since when don't you need HCG for test?

 

[needtogetaas]

Since when don't you need HCG for test?

ya its still a good thing to use during cycle to prep you up for pct and get them nuts back.

 

[Mac173]

ya its still a good thing to use during cycle to prep you up for pct and get them nuts back.

I can see if he was referring to a an HRT equivalent dosage, but he just said that you don't need it for test e in general.

 

[odoyal rulez]

for test e you dont really need hcg, you could use it but you will be fine with nolva/aifm or clomid and nolva..

I respectfully disagree with this statement. My balls are still recovering from just 500 mg test e for 10 weeks....and its been a couple months. I will defeintely be using HCG next go around...

 

[perryscoon]

I would recommend u getting some HCG. Check out this site it's good info about PCT and gives u a recommendation for what and how much to run:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-roberts/post-cycle-therapy.htm

Thats a pretty intense PCT. Has anyone tried this?

 

[blut wump]

You'll probably be fine without it. Continue to use your steroidal AI through PCT.

 

[mphowells]

Ok, been using AIFM throughout so will continue with this along with Nolva and Clomid.

Just to reiterate, i appreciate HCG is required in an ideal world and I did have some but I was checking if it was vital since I will not be able to get some for the start of my PCT.

Thnaks for everyone's feedback.

 

[littleb]

I respectfully disagree with this statement. My balls are still recovering from just 500 mg test e for 10 weeks....and its been a couple months. I will defeintely be using HCG next go around...

I also use hcg every cycle now, just cause i have easy access and it does help.. but, b4 hcg was used in our world [or at least b4 i ever heard of it] I would shrink up bad, but 3-4 weeks into pct the boys be coming right back..full recovery every time..
is it faster recovery with the hcg kickstart - yes -- but not a 100% needed to have b4 a cycle