PCT misery

[lmm23]

So, after completing a 12 week cycle of test E 400 and mast 400 with some Hcgenerate thrown in and then HCG, I'm into week 4 of the following PCT:

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Ostarine 15
Hcgenerate 5 caps

But about 10 days ago my libido completely disappeared. Not even 100mg viagra and HCGenerate is doing anything. If anything does happen it drops off quickly. I've assumed it's the nolva and 10 days ago switched to aromasin 0.25 EOD. Still nothing appreciable is happening.

I've never heard of nolva problems this bad if it's the cause . Osta? Surely not. Relationship is really suffering now! 'It's me, isn't it?' Any thoughts guys.

Just have to ride the nolva half life out?

Happened to have a massive prolactin spike during the cycle, which came down with caber. Can't imagine it's that again. But I might get estrogen and prolactin checked tomorrow just in case.

Thanks.

 

[zmyj88]

If you're not taking anything that aromatizes to estrogen, why would you be in need of an aromatase inhibitor?
And yeah, that's a pct, you can't expect everything to stay the same when you drop off 800 mg of gear a week yo nothing.
My suggestion? Get the bloods and ride it out

 

[lmm23]

Aromasin increases free test as I understand it. I was also experiencing a lot of acne, which suggested to me I had a bit of estrogen rebound. Despite the nolva, my nips seemed to puff up a bit. So fucking tired all the time. Never had this response, but then never went above 500mg of gear a week before. Will get bloods. Thanks bro

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Let us know what blood work says please.....

 

[j_p]

dont use SARMS in pct... it does cause shutdown and is counter productive....

 

[lmm23]

Ok, thanks guys - the blood results:

Estrodiol

04 Nov 2015 24pg/ml (ref 7.6-42.6) 44.00 - 156.00
13 Aug 2015 36pg/ml (Mid cycle on forma before switching to aromasin)

Prolactin

Date Result Range
04 Nov 2015 27.00mUI/l (ref: 86.00 - 324.00) or 1.27 ng/ml
21 Sep 2015 50.00mUI/l or 2.35 ng/ml (on caber)
13 Aug 2015 764.00mUI/l or 36 ng/ml (mid cycle)

FSH
Date Result Range
04 Nov 2015 5.20 (HCGenerate) 1.50 - 12.40
07 Jul 2015 2.70 (pre-cycle) 1.50 - 12.40

LH
Date Result Range
04 Nov 2015 19.70 (still with Clomid/nolva in blood and on high dose HCGenerate) 1.70 - 8.60 **HIGH
07 Jul 2015 8.90 (pre-cycle, taking some HCGenerate)

SHBG
Date Result Range (nmol/l)
04 Nov 2015 6.00 16.00 - 55.00 **LOW
07 Jul 2015 19.00 16.00 - 55.00

Testosterone (free)
Date Result
04 Nov 2015 317nmol/l
07 Jul 2015 471nmol/l

Testosterone/SHBG ratio
Date Age Result Range
04 Nov 2015 175.00 24.00 - 104.00 **HIGH
07 Jul 2015 85.30 24.00 - 104.00

I don't see anything too informative here guys. My free testosterone is low, but SHBG low (perhaps from the combo of HCGenerate, GH releasing peptides). Is this simply a case of shutdown, with low free testosterone post-cycle, with increase LH/FSH doing their best to improve things?

I have some unleashed, but there would seem no point in taking it with low SHBG. Perhaps this is simply a call for a test booster like phytoserms/test stack while I ride out the recovery? Did get desperate yesterday and sunk 0.5mg of caber. This will obviously not do anything to help. Obviously the fact that viagra isn't working is because it doesn't control libido.

There is a question to be raised whether the ostarine has suppressed me (20mg per day). I took HCGenerate during what was a sensible cycle, did the full PCT.

Any thoughts guys?

 

[j_p]

masin at 25mg ed or dex at 0.25-0.5mg eod. btw for next time.

I would personally say drop all the OTC stuff, everything give it a month and get CLEAN blood work to see where you are at, if test is still low do a pct combo of clomid 50mg ed and tamoc 20mg ed for few weeks, wait 2 months after finishing PCT and get bloods again.

right now you are still recovering it seems, some bounce back faster then others. but i would atleast get bloods again being off everythng IMO

 

[ALIN]

There's not a lot of science on OSTARINE. Most of it we are just learning. As others said I wouldn't use it PCT until further research shows you could. I'm not certain it doesn't effect a recovering HPTA.