PCT from way out in left field...

[manboy]

Ok..go ahead and tear this down. Its just a thought and am really considering it. Was gonna do a pre-pct of var/proviron low dose til test cleared then some before getting to PCT. Here is my new thought (filled with flaws I'm sure). For those of you that know of the dbol bridge allowing LH upregulation (partially that is) I am now going to use this method instead of var since dbol is got such a short half life. When all said and done I was going to use the 10mg a.m. dbol dose for 8 weeks or so (likely less). Allowing some LH to slowly come back. Was going to use low dose nolva along with sustain alpha and toco-8. Think the sustain, toco-8, and nolva will enhance LH recovery for a much smoother landing at the end, meaning little to no crash and keeping most gains? For back up I'll be using HGH during pct starting at 2iu's a day then to 4iu's and I doubt I will go above that thru the entire PCT. It seems plausible on paper. Has anyone used dbol bridge to come off slowly and did you use nolva and sustain and such along side it?

 

[sonicwaste]

Ok..go ahead and tear this down. Its just a thought and am really considering it. Was gonna do a pre-pct of var/proviron low dose til test cleared then some before getting to PCT. Here is my new thought (filled with flaws I'm sure). For those of you that know of the dbol bridge allowing LH upregulation (partially that is) I am now going to use this method instead of var since dbol is got such a short half life. When all said and done I was going to use the 10mg a.m. dbol dose for 8 weeks or so (likely less). Allowing some LH to slowly come back. Was going to use low dose nolva along with sustain alpha and toco-8. Think the sustain, toco-8, and nolva will enhance LH recovery for a much smoother landing at the end, meaning little to no crash and keeping most gains? For back up I'll be using HGH during pct starting at 2iu's a day then to 4iu's and I doubt I will go above that thru the entire PCT. It seems plausible on paper. Has anyone used dbol bridge to come off slowly and did you use nolva and sustain and such along side it?

Still trying to understand some of what you are saying. The dbol bridge is a bridge, but what you are describing is basically a closer.

The point of the bridge is to keep you anti-catabolic/anabolic while your system refreshes... Then you run another cycle... So you are bridging one cycle to the other.

And what you are talking about is closing the cycle with 8 weeks of light dbol. In that instance, it makes more sense to me to just continue the cycle, allowing your body to continue to adjust to the new mass you have gained. I don't think it's good implementation of that protocol.

Don't be so worried about losing gains. Train hard, eat well, good PCT and you aren't going to lose gains.

If you are concerned about keeping LH function, use HCG or HMG throughout the cycle.

All in all, do your cycle... HCG throughout. good pct. If you are bridging, then bridge... If you want a closer keep your base and add a little something else in at the end.

GH takes time. If you started using the GH at the beginning of your PCT, then you waited too long.

 

[manboy]

This is from basskilleronline, lots of interesting stuff. Perhaps this will explain more accurately what I'm trying accomplish.


I've been reading some of the posts regarding this bridge and some of them are truly from left-field. First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E. Your LH function and Test levels are supposed to RECOVER. Ok, now having said that. Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenolone, brand name Dianabol.

10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogenous cortisone by 50-70%.

The reason why Dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by its androgenic mode of action. Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular function, thus STRENGTH.

OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind Dianabol choice as a bridging agent.

When are testosterone levels highest?
Answer: In the AM, that's when.

Your body releases a testosterone spike in the morning. This is when testosterone levels are highest.

When are Insulin levels lowest?
Answer: In the AM that's when.

Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel. (Also fat, but protein is also being converted to glucose via glucogenesis)

OK, here is where dboll's short half-life works for us (Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)

Lets take Subject X.

He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release testosterone, thus creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.
He pops 10mgs of Dianabol.

Here is where things get interesting.

The 10mgs of Dianabol will cause a testosterone spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone released ENDOGENOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

The body will be partially fooled. It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone (above the normal test spike), thus LH function WILL REMAIN only partially (Very little actually) suppressed.

In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogenously reduced one, thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY RECOVER over time. Also, d-bol anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss in the morning from low insulogenic levels.

HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.

You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of Dianabol in the AM for this bridge to work!!!!

Why? Because of the blood levels of Dianabol you would generate.

10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs (Probably less)

5mg of Dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise in testosterone levels after the preceding one. Thus, LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

Anything more (Say 20mgs), will cause a SECONDARY testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further, thus not allowing LH function to recover.

Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.

The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

So, here's the scenario summed up:
Beginning: LOW LH and test.
Adding the 10mgs dbol.

LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as testosterone levels are kept at a level which will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dbol's anti-catabolic effects will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone reduction)

This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE catabolism (cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS. I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90% of the way there but the only way you're going to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF completely. Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw. (In case anybody is wondering.) The difference is that with anavar you can take it throughout the day and with dbol it HAS TO BE once in the AM.

Hope that clears the air.

Fonz