PCT for turanabol cycle...

[lookinfit75]

alright, keep your dick in your pants. i just struggle to believe that you can squat 585 as to the ground for ten reps. im not saying its impossible, only that anyone who can is looking at around about an 800, if not more, 1rm, putting them in about the top 5% of powerlifters, man, if your figures are real you could be winning powerlifting meets. maybe even doing strongman comps.
why would i tear up your cycle? i dont the like the fact that it keeps chopping and changing compounds and some of them, imo, arent being run for long enough, but hey, its your cycle.
and you still havnt actually explained why you use proviron in PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - . i would be genuinely interested to know why, seeing as it has no ability to help restore your body's endogenous test production?

OK, since you don't want to read what I have written in the past, here we go again. For the record, my Johnson was never out because that is just not my style. And another thing, In the short time I've been on God's green earth I've learned that anything is possible.

Now, back to "Anabolics 2007" by Adrew Llewellyn:
And I quote...
When looking for a stronger anti-estrogenic effect, Proviron can make a good adjunct to Nolvadex. Although this compound is technically an adrogen, it may have a pronounced effect on the production of estrogen in the body. It's mode of action is therefore very different than that of Nolvadex. While Nolvadex only blocks the binding ability of free-floating estrogen, Proviron can minimize the creation of it. When each drug attacking estrogen via different a mechanism, we have a synergistic combination. A daily intake of 20-30 mg Nolvadex and 25-50 mgs of Proviron can be extremely effective when dealing with with a strong estrogenic cycle.
And for the ladies reading...
Women often avoid adding Proviron to Nolvadex treatment (though often it is still used to enhance fat loss) for fear of developing virilization symptoms (Proviron is an oral dihydrotestosterone). Virilization effects can occur very quickly once there has been a dramatic rise in the activity of androgens (intensified by a decrease in estrogen activity), so at a minimum women should be very careful with this combination.
End quote.

From our friend Nelson Montana's Book "Bottomline Bodybuilding" we have this gem in the section entitled "IF YOU MUST"

And I quote:
When it comes to anti-estrogens, the best bet may be not in occupying the receptor sites, as does Clomid, but to compete with the testosterone/estrogen balance. At one time, Proviron was deemed a valid choice as an anti-estrogen agent until some of the sophomoric steroid students argued that it didn't have any direct anti-estrogenic
properties. True, but it still looks as if it's the best choice if you feel the need to guard against estrogen build up. It does so because dihydrotestosterone acts as a gynecomastia antagonist. (Yet another thing that has been oddly overlooked.) Even when dihydrotestosterone is applied topically it's been shown to reduce gynecomastia in cases where the gynecomastia hadn't been a chronic condition.
Beyond the direct effect of dihydrotestosterone, Proviron has distinct benefits, the first being that as a derivative of dihydrotestosterone it isn't capable of forming estrogen, yet it has a much higher affinity for the aromatase enzyme (which converts testosterone to estrogen) than does testosterone. That means administering it with another aromatizable compound will
prevent estrogen build up due to the fact that DHT binds to the aromatase enzyme so strongly. There's also been some suggestion that Proviron may downgrade the actual estrogen receptor, thereby making it twice as effective at reducing circulating estrogen levels. And because DHT has such a high affinity for sex hormone binding globulin it leaves more free testosterone to impart its anabolic effects.
It makes sense that the use of Proviron is a more practical and rational method of dealing with the possibility of excess estrogen than the aforementioned method of attempting to add a weaker estrogen in the hopes that it will prevent aromatization.
In other words, the World Anabolic Reference was right when it stated;
"Proviron cures the problem of aromatization at the root while Nolvadex simply cures the symptoms. "
Proviron in moderate doses has been shown to be remarkably safe and free of side effects in most men. If you must use an anti-estrogen, Proviron is the way go.
End quote.

 

[*The_West*]

alright mr cut and paste.
do you realise that none of that has anything whatsoever to do with proviron being used as a pct drug? those studies refer to proviron's use for on cycle estrogen control.
i asked you why you use proviron in pct, this does not answer that question. and would you mind coming up with your own answer, rather than just copying and pasting someone elses?

 

[lookinfit75]

alright mr cut and paste.
do you realise that none of that has anything whatsoever to do with proviron being used as a PCT - post cycle therapy - drug? those studies refer to proviron's use for on cycle estrogen control.
i asked you why you use proviron in PCT , this does not answer that question. and would you mind coming up with your own answer, rather than just copying and pasting someone elses?

Actually it wasn't cut and paste (I had to type most of that stuff in beacuse I own the hard cover copy of Anabolics '07 and waste aware that you could copy and paste from a PDF). Furthermore, since you asked me where I was getting my information from or better said, what evidence I had to substanciate my premise, instead of paraphrasing, I opted to give you the information as I learned it straight from the source in it's unadulterated form. I am sorry if you object to that but my way, there is no room for confusion, or so I thought. I didn't realize it would merit another nickname.

This is cut and paste though:

Proviron in moderate doses has been shown to be remarkably safe and free of side effects in most men.

Since you want my answer, here it is:

What is one of the major side effects of an extended steriod cycle and fundamental reason for a PCT? If you guessed "Supression of the hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - " then, as in the imoratal words of Johnny Carson's sidekick Ed McMann "You sir, are correct!". So if Proviron in low doses is safe and free of side effects in most men and given the other atributes it has in terms of control over estrogen production (not by binding to estrogen receptors as is the case with Nolvadex and Clomid but actually controlling the production of estrogen by antagonizing the aromatase enzyme - the aromatase enzme coverts androgens [androgen meaning either natrually occuring or sythetic testosterone hormone] to estrogens by a process called aromatization) and it's high affinity for plasma binding protiens such as sex hormone binding globulin which in turn allow for more unbound testosterone in the blood stream, wouldn't it be a logical conclusion that the addition of Proviron to one's PCT would be a suitible and inteligent addition to said PCT?