PCT debate

[greekhookup]

this is my next cycle that i plan on doing, however, the PCT i usually do is right after my cycles and it is as follows:

Cycle
EQ 600mg/wk 1-15
Test E. 500mg/wk 1-13
Tren 100mg EOD weeks 1-6

HCG
3000iu wk 15
3000iu 5 days later (wk 16)
1500iu 5 days later (wk 17)
1500iu 5 days later (wk 18)

Clomid
150mg/wk 18-19
100mg/wk 20-21

the debate is whether or not to use HCG throughout the cycle, as many poeple argue, or if i will be fine with PCT after my cycle....what is the general consensus on this???

 

[Mythicalbeing]

In a long cycle hcg will keep your natural testosterone going....post cycle there are some people who are sensetive to hcg at 1500ius a shot get sensitive nipples, ect. Go to the PCT board here on elite, Jenetic has some awesome posts on this debate.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

IMO, HCG is useless unless used mid cycle to avoid testicular atrophy. I never use anything except Anastrozole and Clomid for my PCT and it works great for me.

M18

 

[greekhookup]

so you suggest HCG mid cycle 500iu monday, wednesday, friday for about 3 weeks which in my case you be weeks 7,8,9....and then just use clomid for weeks 16,17,18,19???

 

[MUSTANG_18]

If you choose to use the HCG then yes, that shedule should work well. Clomid for 3 weeks will be perfect for your PCT. Why not run Anastrozole through out your cycle and continue it through your PCT ?

M18

 

[greekhookup]

i am going to use a-dex throughout, i forgot to type it, i have had surgury so gyno isnt a problem but for water retention and other estrogen related sides i usually use it, but ya ill take your word for it for this cycle and see what my gains are and how much i keep, ill keep you informed throughout the next 20 weeks, thanks

 

[satchboogie]

40mg nolva for 6 weeks..
hcg 2500iu e3d for 12 days.

thats that for me.

 

[Slyder190]

I still say no HCG in PCT.

 

[nydj66]

I still say no HCG in PCT.

I think it's a matter of symantics. If you don't use HCG throughout the cycle then it should be taken the last 3 weeks before clomid/nolvadex therapy starts.

For instance, if you're using test enanthate you'd start HCG one week before your last test injection and continue it 2 weeks after your last test injection. Those last two weeks you'd be waiting for the enanthate to clear before starting PCT anyway.

Technically this is not post-cycle but it is in preparation for PCT.

The reasoning behind this is simple; studies show that the hypothalamus and pituitary can regain their function in about 3 weeks (with no PCT) even after years of HRT.

However, the testes aren't even stimulated to produce testosterone until the pituitary is recovered and producing LH. If the testes have atrophied they will take many weeks to recover above and beyond the 3 weeks it takes for the pituitary to regain function. By ensuring that the testes are at full function before beginning PCT (by using HCG) you can drastically reduce your recovery time.

In my opinion, HCG use is warranted in any cycle 10 weeks or longer.

 

[slat1]

Use this info as you wish:

"The typically observed dosing of 2000 to 5000IU every 4 to 5 days causes such an increase in oestrogen levels via aromatisation of the natural testosterone that this has been responsible for many cases of gynecomastia.

From the above discussion it is clear that HCG is best used during a cycle, either to:

1) Avoid testicular atrophy, or
2) Rectify the problem of an existing testicular atrophy.

Doses of HCG
Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500iu and 1000iu per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing oestrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes"