P Seven

[macrophage69alpha]

Along the lines of ordering more, I'm still a little confused over the difference between Orange and Peppermint?? How much lower dosed is Orange? How is it 'time-released' compared to Peppermint? The AF website doesn't mention any progesterone in the Orange formulation, but you mentioned it has some...how much??

And I second Millie's sentiments about the service-it took less than a week for it to get to me and I'm half way around the world!

orange is a much more even and time released formula. you can probably use once, perhaps twice a day dosing.

dosing is the same, the orange actually a bit stronger. though the dosage of actives is the same.

the peppermint is more of an "immeadiate relief" as it has a extremely short lag.

the women orange (which is still beta.. even though doubtful it will change much) will be available early next week

btw- wondering about your personal opinion on the potential addition of a mild aromatase inhibitor?

 

[Daisy_Girl]

btw- wondering about your personal opinion on the potential addition of a mild aromatase inhibitor?

Does that mean that it will be less likely to retain water? (please forgive my ignorance) If so, I likethe idea (even though I'm not MS ).

Is anyone noticing any water retention? I'm feeling kinda retained - although it IS the week before my period. Who knows what it is due to.

 

[MS]

Yeah, I'm getting the fluid retention, but just as likely to be from progesterone as from E aromatization. I also have a sinking suspiscion that the fluid retention may just be the price I have to pay to have more mobile joints. Any thoughts Macro/W6 etc...?

Personally I don't think addition of a peripheral aromatase inhibitor will make much difference to us females, but might be useful for the men. I suspect our female ovarian output of E will so overwhelmingly swamp any minor contribution from circulating aromatase that we wouldn't notice it. It might make a minor difference in terms of peripheral production of Test in women though?? I wouldn't want to pay extra for it in a women's version, but others might think it useful. I thought the 7-oxo DHEA would cover that base (in theory).

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I thought the 7-oxo DHEA would cover that base (in theory).

synthesis not peripheral aromatase.. its a substrate limitation (in theory)

it would not affect the price and the dose would be low.. though that would probably necessitate a menapausal formula (though that has been anticipated)

 

[MS]

"synthesis not peripheral aromatase.. its a substrate limitation (in theory)"


???huh??

I'm unclear if you mean the aromatase inhibitor you're THINKING about adding will decrease aromatase substrate (which I could only envision if it was specific for one of the enzymes on the path from pregnenolone to androstenedione or testosterone), or decrease aromatase transcription/translation, or increase aromatase clearance (ie inhibitors or upregulators of hepatic enzymes such as one of the CYP450s)??? In any event, I suspect it won't have measurable effect on ovarian aromatase activity or substrate, only peripheral?? In which case it also wouldn't have a very large impact on non-menopausal women's circulating E. Or maybe I entirely misunderstood the whole answer! I guess, by definition, a 'mild' inhibitor will likely be of little benefit to women, but maybe men.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

7-oxo effect is rate limiting on E production as it competes for enzymes that produce the E substrate (which is slightly offset by additional preg.. which is why the decrease in E is minimal under the current protocol)

the above is a generalization as actual analysis of competition and enzyme levels as well as step(s) at which there may be competition (7-oxo reduction pathways).. is unavailable..

though still looking at and for some theoretical models.

 

[takniteasy]

Well, since I cannot figure out what is causing the excessive oily skin, breakouts and now oily hair, I am d/c the P7. I have been using P7 (peppermint) for about 4 weeks, have decreased the dosage and still have the excessive oily skin. Have also noticed some H2O retention. Otherwise no other effects other than what I previously posted. I may start again in a week just to see what happens.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

takiniteasy,
peppermint -regular or womens?

benefits noticed during that time as well?


curious as with the womens formula several subjects have indicated noticeable fat loss

 

[takniteasy]

Macro, I used the original peppermint formula. Only after I had ordered and received the peppermint formula did the Women's formula become available. One benefit that I noticed immediately after d/c is I did not sleep as well and did get up once during the night to go potty. I geuss I took for granted that benefit but this oily skin and H2O retention has become annoying to the point that I had to stop the P7. Now the only things I take are Glucorell, ECA and apply Yohimburn 2xday. I dont think I used P7 long enough to notice any metabolism benefits, however it did seem to curb the sweet cravings. Will keep you updated.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

My skin started to get REAL oily, but I just started using a stronger face wash (Neutrogena acne face wash) and problems no more!

I sleep so heavy and RARELY get up to potty.

 

[Fonz]

Well, since I cannot figure out what is causing the excessive oily skin, breakouts and now oily hair, I am d/c the P7. I have been using P7 (peppermint) for about 4 weeks, have decreased the dosage and still have the excessive oily skin. Have also noticed some H2O retention. Otherwise no other effects other than what I previously posted. I may start again in a week just to see what happens.

I use a lot of Fina.....and I get a pimple every now and then.

And no offense to anybody else, P7 makes you break out like crazy.

Make a 6-oxo-DHEA version WITHOUT the pregnenolone. Which is the culprit for sure. And then I'lll buy it again.

I had to stop the P7 b/c of the break-outs.

Never had them in my life.

Ohter than that, I have no problems with the P7.

Besides,

As i told Ulter before macro, its the DHEA analogue that produces the raised T3 levels.

Pregnelone's effects on mood is a dicey subject. Could be a placebo effect and we all should accept this as a possibility.

Fonz

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Pregnelone's effects on mood is a dicey subject. Could be a placebo effect and we all should accept this as a possibility.

Fonz

this is not accurate.. its, and its neurosteroid metabolites, role in mood is well established.

Fonz,

you are not the ideal subject.. the number of "ancillaries" you use is quite high..(interference, duplication, etc) plus you are fairly young (which is good for you ) but may diminish some of the benefits(as neurosteroid sysnthesis should be good.. though in very many young people this is not the case)... the mood effects are best seen among those with anxiety, depression, etc... if you feel relatively good all the time.. impact will be less as your neurochemistry does not need the "tweak".

but its neurological effects are undeniable.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Pregnelone's effects on mood is a dicey subject. Could be a placebo effect and we all should accept this as a possibility.

Fonz

this is not accurate.. it, and its neurosteroid metabolites, role in mood is well established.

Fonz,

you are not the ideal subject.. the number of "ancillaries" you use is quite high..(interference, duplication, etc) plus you are fairly young (which is good for you ) but may diminish some of the benefits(as neurosteroid sysnthesis should be good.. though in very many young people this is not the case)... the mood effects are best seen among those with anxiety, depression, etc... if you feel relatively good all the time.. impact will be less as your neurochemistry does not need the "tweak".

but its neurological effects are undeniable.

 

[MS]

I agree I would like to try a "7-oxo DHEA only" version of this stuff, but either way I am grwoing to like P7 more and more as the days go by. I've already placed my second order. I don't know if it's the prenenolone or the 7-oxo, or the combo. And like FONZ, I prolly don't have any deficiency of pregnenolone to judge from my sides (which were the opposite of relaxing and calming). But I am now using it to ease my old joints and as a substitute for 'happy hour'. It's actually cheaper than booze, and possibly less detrimental to my aging liver (not sure about this one). Although pregnenolone (S) is clearly low in some depressed and anxious folks, and increasing pregnenolone through supps or antidepressants seems to increase neuroactive steroids in this population in parallel with symptom relief, it is still not clear if there are any 'mood' benefits to otherwise normal, healthy people. However, I am noticing some very subtle changes in mood and general sense of being which may be related to one of the steroids in P7. Hard to explain in words, but everything is sharper, clearer and more 'real' feeling?????

I would also like to try a 'blind crossover trial' of this stuff, where I get two bottles, one with the steroids and one with carrier only. This would help to sort out what is placebo and what is 'real'. I also think a similar trial with yohimburn would be beneficial, only carrier on one thigh and active ingredient on the other (but I don't know which is which). Of course, neither Fonz nor I seem to be 'normal' in the stressed out sense of the word, but I would also like to try this blind P7 trial on my SO too!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

MS and FONZ...

that can be arranged.. will see that the "materials" are made available for testing

 

[fawnmarie]

this is not accurate.. it, and its neurosteroid metabolites, role in mood is well established...
Fonz, you are not the ideal subject.. plus you are fairly young (which is good for you )
but its neurological effects are undeniable.

This is exactly what I posted to Fonz before, younger people rarely have a deficiency of pregnenolone and don't really notice much of difference by adding it. I took it at 33 and noticed nothing, took it at 38 and it was like being given a whole new lease on life. (And this was not P7 - but oral pregnenolone.)

It's effects are not a placebo - I've been using it off and on for over a year now, and it's wiped out depression that wasn't even handled by prescription AD's. Yes - I can tell when I haven't been taking it often enough. (I cycle it, as it tends to convert to androgens in me when my pregn. levels peak.)

Also, from what I understand, not only does adequate pregn. help stimulate T3, but vice versa - adequate T3 and cholesterol will ensure adequate pregnenolone, and very few young men on higher protein diets will have inadequate T3 or inadequate cholesterol.

A note to MS - your partner may be experiencing the same aggravation with P7 as with progesterone - in a lot of women it will stimulate a temporary case of estrogen dominance (including breast tenderness and over senstivity) - and this does go away in a couple of cycles.

The changes you are noticing in your mood and perspective is VERY common with pregnenolone. I myself don't find it "sedating", but rather makes me bouncy and happy. I don't get mad or angry, but I'm not groggy or sleepy, either. When I do sleep, I sleep very well. But for the most part it gives me a very steady "up".

Unfortunately, I haven't noticed any real increase in fat loss, but there you go. If anything, I've gained both fat and muscle. Maybe some of it is water retention.

As for the aromatase inhibitor - I wouldn't be interested in one, as I am 39 and already have been down to one ovary for 15 years, and depend highly on even my peripherally produced E to keep the mustache waxes down to a minimum.

Fawn

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Just a random thought, does P7 have any effect on the menstrual cycle? If so, what effect?

 

[MS]

fawnmarie, I agree 100% the effects of pregnenolone (and ordinary DHEA) are very real in some people. A group that I collaborate closely with are now testing transdermal DHEA and oral pregnenolone (separately) in a clinical setting to test their effects on major depression. So far the results are VERY promising, and if I were a pharmaceutical company making big bucks off of anti depressants, I would be kinda worried about now! Of course their are side effects, especially in women with the higher dose DHEA, but the side effects are generally much less than drugs like Prozac. AND it's cheap by comparison. It hasn't (yet) occurred to them to test the combo........ I dunno if 7-oxo DHEA has any of these anti-D effects, but it's peripheral effects and lack of conversion to E ot T make it a better choice for reducing sides associated with DHEA treatment, and I am curious to find out if it has any neurosteroid activity. Also agree that normal-high thyroid by itself may naturally increase pregnenolone and pregnenolone-S production. So a T3 cycle may have a similar effect? Conjugation of pregnenolone to pregnenolone-S in the brain is also linked to NPY levels, so I would expect a person's dieting status to have an effect on how they respond to transdermal (unconjugated) pregnenolone. It's a pretty complicated area of research, which is why the best idea is to just try it and see how you feel. Statistically, pregnenolone and it's conjugates are at their lowest when you hit 37-38 years of age, so what you experienced make 100% perfect sense to me. These levels seem to shoot up again briefly around perimenopause, and this may be why my SO is experiencing the sides more than younger folks??

Daisy_Girl, maybe Macrophage can answer that one.

 

[Friscochick]

Wait! Where can i order??

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Order: AF Store

https://anabolicfitness.net/shop/

And still curious about P7 and menstrual cycle...macro.....?

 

[Fonz]

This is exactly what I posted to Fonz before, younger people rarely have a deficiency of pregnenolone and don't really notice much of difference by adding it. I took it at 33 and noticed nothing, took it at 38 and it was like being given a whole new lease on life. (And this was not P7 - but oral pregnenolone.)

I agreed with your coclusion before.

However, one piece of curiosity:

I'm 24.

And I have seen lots of people 18-26 post that P7 works great for them. So from this one can extrapolate several assumptions:

1. They were exagerrating
2. Placebo effect
3. I'm a weird genetic specimen

I can rule out #3, b/c with other compounds, I get the same results as others.

So, only #1, and#2 are left.

IMO, #1 is the most qualified response IMO.

Ulter and Macro, don't take offense at this, it just looks "strange" that everybody gets great results.......ALL THE TIME.

Fonz

 

[macrophage69alpha]

no offense

people who "really" respond tend to have anxiety, depression, sleeplessness, etc issues.

your response initially was blunted by the use of bromo.. it may have also been impacted by other supps..

and not everyone thinks its the best thing since sliced bread.. but a great percentage do.. people that are looking for the neurological effects.. as they are more in need of them (hence more likely to have neurotransmitter issues).. also tend to respond better (as they have need)

painkillers (morphine derivatives) and marjiuana also impede effect. alcohol has some impact as well as seen by MS. SSRI can change or impede affect as well.

 

[takniteasy]

painkillers (morphine derivatives)...also impede effect.

Um, what about something like Ultracet? I forgot that was something else I have been taking (for neck injury).

 

[zeeman66]

I wouldn't mind seeing a 7-oxo version only either...esp after using a competing product that while i felt benefit from,you have to use considerably more per application. Plus it doesn't smell like peppermint . Would be kinda nice to choose whether or not you wanted to use it for the immune efects etc or just to chill out.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Um, what about something like Ultracet? I forgot that was something else I have been taking (for neck injury).

while it is not an opiate it has opiate like characteristics.. so it may impede, or mute, some of the mood effects.

 

[MS]

I hear what you're saying Fonz, and I agree that a LOT of folks experience placebo effects, or exagerrate effects. In fact, I remember a study where they tested the difference in placebo response to supposed psychotropic medication depending on whether it was given to the subjects as a pill, an injection, or transdermally.....you can be sure there was a MUCH greater placebo effect with the injection, followed by the pill, followed by the transdermal. And in the field of anti-depressants in particular, the placebo response from even the top-notch palyers in the field (such as Prozac) is 30-40%. This means when you subtract the total response of 60-70%, the drug is only truly helping ~30% of the folks taking it.

So even if P7 is superior to traditional anti-Ds, I would still expect at least a 30% placebo effect. This is why I like to try things like this blind on myself and friends

The other side of this topic is the recognition that anxiety and depression in today's adolescents and young adults is very high. In part I think this is a part of growing up and the overdominance of dopaminergic activity seen with raging hormones of youth. In part I think it's a change in perceptions that make what should be a very motivated time in a person's life cycle be classed or viewed as anxiety leading to depression. In large part I think it comes from really sucky lifestyles. Whatever the cause, it is well known in the field of psychiatry that depressed and anxious youth (under ~25 years of age) respond FAR better to SSRIs compared to older folks who respond FAR better to drugs that directly increase dopamine/norepinephrine activity. This almost certainly has to do with the differences in hormonal mileu, indicating different deficiencies or excesses (likely excess in the young and deficiency in the old). P7 may be just right to offset/balance excess sympathetic activity in some young folks. Pure speculation, but I'm trying to find reasons why some younger folks might have a true response to P7. There's a lot of screwed up young folks. It MAY BE that Fonz is the exception in today's world where males that eat right, stay lean and exercise regualrly are rare???????

 

[Fonz]

I switched back to my normal 50mg 7-Keto DHEA and all is normal again.

It is most definately the pregnenolone causing the oily skin.

Macr&Ulter, you should try to manufacture a 6-oxo-DHEA version ALONE w/ no Pregnenolone.

A lot of people would buy it then.

The dosing for P7 is just too much trial and error.(IMO)

Fonz

 

[macrophage69alpha]

how much 7keto are you taking orally?

how much Pseven were you taking?

btw- certain samples will be made available for testing..

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Macro - I was wondering what, if any, effects P7 might have on the menstrual cycle? Both pos and neg. And I know everyone can be different, just wondering about generalizations.

i.e., missed periods, lighter, heavier, more regular, less frequent, etc........

Thanks.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

generally PMS should be negligible and period lighter.. though that is a big generalization.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Thanks Macro. That is what I expected to hear. Lighter period? For those with light periods anyway (me), it becomes totally nonexistant! The only "symptom" of my period was the water retention. If I didn't have that, it would have been like every other week!

 

[Fonz]

how much 7keto are you taking orally?

how much Pseven were you taking?

btw- certain samples will be made available for testing..

Vitamin Shoppe Brand:

50mg 7-Keto DHEA for 4 days.....and then I'm bumping this to my usual 100mg 7-Keto DHEA/day.

I primarily use it for immune function and post-T3 recovery.

With P7, I was taking 1/2 pipette/day for 5 days, then 1/2 pipette AM and PM after that(For a total of 1 pipette). I started breaking out when I went to the 1/2 pipette and 1/2 pipette protocol(AM and PM). After that I quit, and no more break outs whatsoever have hapenned. My cutis cleared very, very fast.

Since 6-oxo-DHEA doesn't aromatize b/c of its molecular structure, the culprit of my break-outs HAS to be the pregnenolone.

I find it funny, that I'm the only one who broke out........hmmmmm..

Stastistically, the odds of ME, and only ME breaking out is extremely low.

Fonz

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Vitamin Shoppe Brand:

50mg 7-Keto DHEA for 4 days.....and then I'm bumping this to my usual 100mg 7-Keto DHEA/day.

I primarily use it for immune function and post-T3 recovery.

With P7, I was taking 1/2 pipette/day for 5 days, then 1/2 pipette AM and PM after that(For a total of 1 pipette). I started breaking out when I went to the 1/2 pipette and 1/2 pipette protocol(AM and PM). After that I quit, and no more break outs whatsoever have hapenned. My cutis cleared very, very fast.

Since 6-oxo-DHEA doesn't aromatize b/c of its molecular structure, the culprit of my break-outs HAS to be the pregnenolone.

I find it funny, that I'm the only one who broke out........hmmmmm..

Stastistically, the odds of ME, and only ME breaking out is extremely low.

Fonz

No true, I've been posting all along that I was breaking out.

I have NEVER had problem skin, even as a teenager. I think I have had about real 10 zits in my lifetime. While using P7 I broke out, but as I posted, I switched face wash to an acne fighting one (neutrogena) and the problem went away.

 

[Friscochick]

No true, I've been posting all along that I was breaking out.

I have NEVER had problem skin, even as a teenager. I think I have had about real 10 zits in my lifetime. While using P7 I broke out, but as I posted, I switched face wash to an acne fighting one (neutrogena) and the problem went away.

EKK!! Break outs! Yukko.. where exactly were you breaking out and where were you applying the lotion. I ordered some yesterday..

 

[smoknjilly]

I broke out a tiny bit, right in between my eyebrows....what a strange place!

although I like taking P7 before bed, to me its not worth ruining my skin, which hs never broken out before.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

300mg of 7keto a day is probably more comparable. with comparable bioavailability...

though still looking into to the exact cause and tweaks necessary.. to accomodate those with this problem.

anyone here with increased acne using the orange?

btw- seems like 1 in 5 have some increase in "oilyness"...

and a higher ratio is being made available for those seeking the 7-oxo dominant effect (actually a "male" formula is also in the works) and a sleep enhancer---

 

[Millie]

i am using the orange and i haven't noticed any oilyness or breakouts, but i have been using it for 4 days only.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

this MAY be the issue.. the peppermint has a very short lag and rapid release... thus a spike (which people seem to enjoy) but it is also more likely to cause disturbances..

7-oxo has super long half life so.. but again may be a spike and enzyme issue..


the orange is IMHO better for continual use.. the peppermint is for immeadiate relief and for those that "like" the spikes (and the demi- euphoria that may accompany them)

but keep in mind that there are lots of endocrinological variations.. so to find something that works for everyone equally is difficult.. hence there will be various versions.. to get the effects YOU want..

 

[Daisy_Girl]

EKK!! Break outs! Yukko.. where exactly were you breaking out and where were you applying the lotion. I ordered some yesterday..

Applying on my forearms (inside).

Breakouts are mostly on the sides of my nose. When I say breakouts, I mean they are tiny whiteheads, easily poppable (yes, I know you aren't supposed to).

Like I said, I switched to the Acne Free Neutrogena face wash and astringent and have had no more problems. I stopped putting lotion on my face (was easy since my skin got a little oilier, didn't need it) and I have always worn little makeup. I wash my face 2x a day and apply the astringent before bed. Very easy, no big deal at all.

 

[takniteasy]

I too have broken out using the peppermint P7. And for this very reason I discontinued ~1 week ago. I did change my facial cleaning regime and that made no difference. After d/cing the P7 my face is clearing up. I am waiting on some of the orange P7 to arrive and will post updates on usage of that as well. I think the positive benefit I miss the most is how well I slept while using P7.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Vitamin Shoppe Brand:

50mg 7-Keto DHEA for 4 days.....and then I'm bumping this to my usual 100mg 7-Keto DHEA/day.

I primarily use it for immune function and post-T3 recovery.

Fonz

Hey Fonz (or anyone else) - how does the DHEA help with T3 recovery? Why take it? And does it have to be 7-keto?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

they both increase t3

7-oxo dhea and dhea

dhea converts to hormones
7-oxo does not

 

[Daisy_Girl]

dhea converts to hormones
7-oxo does not

What kind of hormones? Is that "bad"?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

What kind of hormones? Is that "bad"?

in women mostly testosterone.. though estrogen as well.. no it can actually be very good.. it really depends..

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Thanks!

 

[Millie]

a quick update from me...

it's been 6 days since i started the orange P7 and i am really feeling the increased libido effects, especially the last 2 days

i can't say i have noticed any pronounced mood improvements. i mean i am feeling a little calmer and i have a more positive outlook on everything, but this could be a placebo effect. also it could be that i wasn't stressed out or feeling down before i started P7.

overall, i am really liking it so far.

 

[fawnmarie]

Hope this helps some of you guys...

I found that I was getting the acne too after continuous usage of the orange.

Anyway, one thing I've used very successfully for the last couple of years for pimples is tea tree oil. If you catch them before they actually erupt, you can stop them completely. When you start feeling those little sore, slightly raised bumps, dab them with a little pure tea tree oil once or twice a day, and they will completely disappear before erupting.

I picked some up last Thursday because I was feeling and seeing sore, red spots start, and applied it once on Thursday and Friday - and the completely disappeared without errupting by Saturday. Since I was out camping all weekend, I even admit that my hygiene wasn't the best throughout this time (dirt, woodsmoke, infrequent showering, etc), and still they never erupted.

I think I picked this tip up from Diane Lane (a beauty author), and it has never failed to work. But you have to catch them before they hit the surface of the skin.

It's worth a try if you want to continue the P7 but are having trouble with acne.

Fawn

 

[takniteasy]

Millie, have you experienced oilier skin or breakouts?

Fawn, how much orange P7 are you using? I just got my orange P7 in and wanted some idea of how much to use. The peppermint P7 caused extremely oily skin for me and it is disappointing to read that someone has broken out using the orange version. Hopefully, if I dont use too much, it will be beneficial w/o the negative side effect.

 

[Millie]

takniteasy, no, i haven't noticed oilier skin or breakouts. i use 1/8 pipette twice a day.

 

[takniteasy]

Thanks Millie. I will try the orange version for a while and keep you guys updated. I want to use it long enough to see if there will be any metabolism enhancements (something to do with T3 levels). That would mean about 4-6 weeks time. I really dont expect to notice much else other than what the original formula did (better sleep and reduced craving for sweets).

 

[Ceebs]

Would there be any contraindications for someone currently taking Propecia (finasteride) to use P7?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Would there be any contraindications for someone currently taking Propecia (finasteride) to use P7?

... none known...

 

[Michael Corleone 21]

Would there be any contraindications for someone currently taking Propecia (finasteride) to use P7?

god damn...beautiful avatar picture Ceebs.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

mc21,

got your PM.. will keep you in mind

 

[Michael Corleone 21]

thank you...

 

[Friscochick]

Ok, got mine in the mail Friday. Trued it.. But i have a question. How do some of you apply it??? I was confused about this because 1/4 is about 10 applications and you can only "slap on" So much???

 

[SouthernBell]

Good question Friscochick, I was thinking the same thing except my bottle says 1/8 pipette is appx. 20 drops.. But that is still alot of drops...


I just recieved my shipment today, wow Ulter you guys are quick to ship... You wern't joking MS and BG about the quickness... Ulter AF also has a great support staff, I had a problem and they were on it pronto,, Thanks...

So off to my experiment,,, I am gonna try this on hubby to just to see what effects he has, he has no idea of what it is for so this should be interesting...


love

 

[Friscochick]

Good question Friscochick, I was thinking the same thing except my bottle says 1/8 pipette is appx. 20 drops.. But that is still alot of drops...


I just recieved my shipment today, wow Ulter you guys are quick to ship... You wern't joking MS and BG about the quickness... Ulter AF also has a great support staff, I had a problem and they were on it pronto,, Thanks...

So off to my experiment,,, I am gonna try this on hubby to just to see what effects he has, he has no idea of what it is for so this should be interesting...


love

Yeah mine say that too, but i was guessing half that would be 10 for 1/4. 20 applications is to much to slap under your arms.

Can someone help with this?? How do the rest of you apply 20 drops?

Frisco-

 

[SouthernBell]

Frisco if you are planning on applying 1/4 pipette you would have to apply 40 drops twice the amount of 1/8 pipette...

If you only want to apply half of 1/8 that would be 1/16 pipette which would be 10 drops..

I think I am right anyway?????

But either way I did 20drops and I had to actually rub it on both forearms. I hope that is ok.

love

 

[Friscochick]

Frisco if you are planning on applying 1/4 pipette you would have to apply 40 drops twice the amount of 1/8 pipette...

If you only want to apply half of 1/8 that would be 1/16 pipette which would be 10 drops..

I think I am right anyway?????

But either way I did 20drops and I had to actually rub it on both forearms. I hope that is ok.

love

Ohh yeah! LOL! Where is my head... and worst of all I'm an accountant! LOL AHAHA Forearms huh? That might work better, i thought it was under arms? All i know is its hard to splash on.. and it burns! LOL Ohh yeah is it 20 drops in all or 10 each arm??

I'm confused man! Cause i addes 10 under each under arm and it was dripping everywhere and didn't really work well!

 

[SouthernBell]

I understand, I too lose it every once and awhile too..

I think that it will be easier to apply on forearms as opposed to underarms. Are you using orange or original?

I don't find the orange burns, maybe it is because of you applying in the underarm area... That seems like that would be horrible esp. after shaving..

btw have you noticed any sides yet?

love

 

[Friscochick]

I understand, I too lose it every once and awhile too..

I think that it will be easier to apply on forearms as opposed to underarms. Are you using orange or original?

I don't find the orange burns, maybe it is because of you applying in the underarm area... That seems like that would be horrible esp. after shaving..

btw have you noticed any sides yet?

love

Well only that it make me more depressed LOL! but maybe i didn't apply correctly. Ok i will apply to the forearms. Now, do you apply 20 drops all together or 10 drops each arm??

Frisco

 

[SouthernBell]

Frisco, I apply 10 drops on each forearm.. I haven't felt any sides yet, I am guessing that it will take time to totally get into my system.

Let me know when you start to get all the good sides..

love

 

[Friscochick]

Frisco, I apply 10 drops on each forearm.. I haven't felt any sides yet, I am guessing that it will take time to totally get into my system.

Let me know when you start to get all the good sides..

love

I will sweetie.. You too!!!

 

[fawnmarie]

Fawn, how much orange P7 are you using? I just got my orange P7 in and wanted some idea of how much to use. The peppermint P7 caused extremely oily skin for me and it is disappointing to read that someone has broken out using the orange version. Hopefully, if I dont use too much, it will be beneficial w/o the negative side effect.

I have been using about 1/8 pipette, once or twice a day - I can't seem to get my forearms to absorb much more than a couple of drops. I am not able to use a lot of it at one time.

My skin has been oily on the orange P7 - and the zits appeared right before my period, so I'm sure that was the last straw. I don't normally break out before my period - but I got about 4 "pre-zits" about 2 days prior to onset, which I kept at bay with the tea tree oil.

Fawn

 

[Friscochick]

I have been using about 1/8 pipette, once or twice a day - I can't seem to get my forearms to absorb much more than a couple of drops. I am not able to use a lot of it at one time.

My skin has been oily on the orange P7 - and the zits appeared right before my period, so I'm sure that was the last straw. I don't normally break out before my period - but I got about 4 "pre-zits" about 2 days prior to onset, which I kept at bay with the tea tree oil.

Fawn

Me either. This is a problem for me too

 

[fawnmarie]

FriscoChick,

Are you talking about not being able to apply much at one time?

I put a line of drops from inner elbow to wrist - maybe 7-8 and then rub in. That's about all I can use without it just running off.

Any other sites of application recommended?

fAWN

 

[Friscochick]

FriscoChick,

Are you talking about not being able to apply much at one time?

I put a line of drops from inner elbow to wrist - maybe 7-8 and then rub in. That's about all I can use without it just running off.

Any other sites of application recommended?

fAWN

Yep... I can't either, it start running down my forearms. At first i tried under arms, but that really didn't work. There is no real instructions that comes with it sooo i guess we do our best to guess! Unless someone else has a better idea?!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

upper thighs.. where vascular.. inner thighs (though not to close to the "important areas"-- though with orange its less an issue.. the peppermint.. ouch)

forehead (though only reccomend before bed and with care)

back and sides of neck...

 

[Friscochick]

upper thighs.. where vascular.. inner thighs (though not to close to the "important areas"-- though with orange its less an issue.. the peppermint.. ouch)

forehead (though only reccomend before bed and with care)

back and sides of neck...

Can you put some drops on each area you mentioned?

At once? Inner thighs, sides of neck and forearms ?

 

[Millie]

i believe that the top of the feet are also good spots for P7... very vascular.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Can you put some drops on each area you mentioned?

At once? Inner thighs, sides of neck and forearms ?

yes. but dont want to OVER do it...

 

[Fonz]

upper thighs.. where vascular.. inner thighs (though not to close to the "important areas"-- though with orange its less an issue.. the peppermint.. ouch)

forehead (though only reccomend before bed and with care)

back and sides of neck...

Macro, I have half the bottle of P7 left.

What I need to know is the total mg per bottle of the 6-oxo DHEA?

I'm sure thats what promotes the better sleep. Pregnenolones effects are mainly on mood.

Fonz

 

[Ulter]

I just looked at the bottle and it says "inner forearms" like where you'd put on perfume or slit your wrists (I know but I am trying to be visual). Maybe my arms are longer than you guys but I can easily put on 1/2 pipette by making a line with it down the inner forearm from my wrist to my elbow fold and then rubbing my inner arms together.

 

[Daisy_Girl]

Maybe my arms are longer than you guys but I can easily put on 1/2 pipette by making a line with it down the inner forearm from my wrist to my elbow fold and then rubbing my inner arms together.

That is exactly how I use it. I just start at my wrist and make a line up to the elbow crease and quick rub my arms together. Works perfect.

 

[Friscochick]

That is exactly how I use it. I just start at my wrist and make a line up to the elbow crease and quick rub my arms together. Works perfect.

I must be a dwarf, cause 20 drops is alot and it doesn't absorb quickly

 

[deltreefitness]

I got mine today. I've been dripping it all over me lol. I still don't feel any kind of mood enhancement, and I'm not on any medication or juice.

 

[Friscochick]

I got mine today. I've been dripping it all over me lol. I still don't feel any kind of mood enhancement, and I'm not on any medication or juice.

Yeah! me too.. i just feel cold, cause of the peppermint..! man.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

exfoliate or shave area of application.. apply to CLEAN skin.. clean with soap (not soft soap) or alcohol.

just a guess... but are you applying to skin to which you have alreadly applied a moisturizer or lotion of some kind?

 

[Friscochick]

exfoliate or shave area of application.. apply to CLEAN skin.. clean with soap (not soft soap) or alcohol.

just a guess... but are you applying to skin to which you have alreadly applied a moisturizer or lotion of some kind?

No I got out the shower, dont put l;otion on till i apply the drippy solution. Try to air dry.. (takes ALONG time) then apply lotion everywhere else BUT the forarms. I dont have hair on my inner forearms! THANK GOD!

 

[MS]

It took over a week for me to feel anything with the P7. I just squirt a 1/4 dropper along my left forearm then quickly (before it drips) rub my forearms together vigorously until it gets tacky. Then let air dry for~ 10 minutes.

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

I just ordered P-7 orange and should recieve it any day now. I've been really stressed and anxious lately (finals time!), so I'm hoping this will help me feel more calm and steady.

I'll post about my results.

 

[Ulter]

Many women are reporting the same thing as MS. It takes until day 5-7 before they feel it and then WHAM it hits you good.
Aside from what Macro has posted...
Shake the bottle, this is very important and the contents settle.
No smoking the green.
No alcohol


Note: I have noticed something else in talking to everyone who calls us and reading posts. You may want to leave it on the shelf while you are PMSing. It may increase your aggression.

 

[fawnmarie]

I dunno Ulter -

I haven't been using my P7 until hit yesterday with a horrendous case of PMS (worst in a year or two) and remembered it was there.

BAMMM - I'm a human being and not a wretched and miserable thing any longer.

Also slept beautifully for the first time in a couple of weeks.

I have the orange, which might make a difference.

I will get "teste" on pregnenolone - but it has to build up for a while (over months). Until that point, however I hardly ever have to shave my legs. Not sure what's going on with that, but I'm grateful for it, having had PCOS and because of this being rather hairy for most of my adult life.

Fawn

 

[MS]

I'll second leaving it on the shelf if you're PMSing!! And as I've already said, I don't even WANT to drink alcohol when I'm on P7. I find alcohol actually makes me feel ill now. Haven't noticed any reduction in hair growth though

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I'll second leaving it on the shelf if you're PMSing!! And as I've already said, I don't even WANT to drink alcohol when I'm on P7. I find alcohol actually makes me feel ill now. Haven't noticed any reduction in hair growth though

its all an individual balance issue.. for some people use during PMS kills problems.. in others it may have no effect or make it worse..

though generally seems to have positive impact on PMS symptoms.. for most women..

as far as the hair issue, many people do note a decrease of hair growth at sites of application(slower growth, thinner finer follicles).. and generally among some female users..(though this number is less)

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

No smoking the green.
No alcohol

Why?

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Why?

they mask or impair its effects

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

Got my P-7, been using it since Weds. 1/8-1/4 pipette, 2x/day. No results yet. I'll post when I notice any. From what everyone else says, that should be around Sunday/Monday. Hope this works. Its finals time.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

bump up dosage ...

1 are you exfolaliating site?
2. shaking p7 well, prior to app?
3. applying to clean skin?

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

bump up dosage ...

1 are you exfolaliating site?
2. shaking p7 well, prior to app?
3. applying to clean skin?

Yes on 2 & 3. Didn't think of exfoliating. I will do that.

I think my life is in general really stressful, and this may sound silly, but I wonder if that's interfering with feeling P-7's effects. Just found out my boyfriend is leaving for a 10-month deployment to afghanistan aug 1. my birthday is aug 16. and he wasn't supposed to leave until the beginning of october - and this confirmation of him being away for the maximum time (10 months instead of 3-6) sucks. A lot.

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

Just took dose number 2 this evening, 1/4 pipette, and pretty soon after, I started feeling quite at peace, and happy even. I have a smile on my face right now. My attitude changed from feelin really depressed and overwhelmed to feeling like I can definitely manage things.

 

[VeggieLifterChick]

Let me just say, wow. I had been feeling depressed, maybe disproportionately to the stimulus (being the deployment, finals, etc). Now I genuinely feel like myself again. This stuff is damn cool. Its a really noticable difference in my mood.

So, that means it kicked in on day 4 of usage.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Let me just say, wow. I had been feeling depressed, maybe disproportionately to the stimulus (being the deployment, finals, etc). Now I genuinely feel like myself again. This stuff is damn cool. Its a really noticable difference in my mood.

So, that means it kicked in on day 4 of usage.

very good to hear

 

[HUGHJORGEN]

I did not see the Orange on the website.. Is it still available??

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I did not see the Orange on the website.. Is it still available??

https://www.anabolicfitness.net/shop/product_info.php?id=40

 

[lucidblue]

Any recent updates or results? I read through this whole post and some others yesterday and am really interested... seems to be conflicting results. My main concerns are:

- oily skin/breakouts
- water retention

Thanks

 

[Ulter]

The acne varies from person to person. However it seems to occur in the people who use P7 daily. This can lead to a build up that will cause them to break out usually after 10-14 days straight. However, some people break out looking at the bottle.
It's really fun to use but you might want to only use it a couple days at a time if you experience acne.

 

[lucidblue]

The acne varies from person to person. However it seems to occur in the people who use P7 daily. This can lead to a build up that will cause them to break out usually after 10-14 days straight. However, some people break out looking at the bottle.
It's really fun to use but you might want to only use it a couple days at a time if you experience acne.

I think I want to give it a try. I'll be ordering some in the next couple days. I could use something with a calming effect and wouldn't mind having a better night's sleep. I'll let you know if I like it.