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Overtraining??

c gheller

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Bros, Ive been feeling fatigued and been getting colds and sore throats alot. Ive had a few breaks from training this last year, the latest being a 2 week break in November. After two weeks i didnt feel any better. Im in the middle of another week off right now. What do you guys think? Do i need to take a long period off training...we all know how hard that is on the state of mind.
 
What's your training and nutrition like now? Impossible to know if you're overtraining without that info
 
c gheller said:
im training 3 times per week and my diet is good. Eating clean....60protein/40carbs/20fats.

Consider something else than overtraining

It you still feel like shit you'd better see a doc

Depressed ?
 
I never heard of getting sore throats from overtraining. 3x/week should not overtrain you, bro - unless you're getting less than 1 hour of sleep every night. If not already, take 1g of Vitamin C every day, and some B-12 (someone help me with the dosage on this one). My colds usually go away when I take those two.
 
You might also consider changing up your diet a little. You might be missing something nutritionally? Especially if you've been on a really high protein diet & haven't done a "cleansing" diet in a while, you might just need to clean out some of the stuff that isn't getting shuttled out for example, by the enzymes & stuff in things like fruit that are often left out of a restricted diet. Just coming off & eating "normal" (clean but a good variety of fruits, vegies, etc -- lots of color in the food) for a week or two can really help replace some of the stuff that is left out on a restrictive diet.

Also are you sleeping well? Do you have stuff on your mind that keeps you up at night? If you are taking thermos, you might consider laying off those for a while & cutting out any stimulants in your regular diet (e.g. coffee) for a while.
 
c gheller said:
im training 3 times per week and my diet is good. Eating clean....60protein/40carbs/20fats.



iI'm no math major....but um.....
 
I'd break that diet up 40/30/30 p/f/c and diversify - pretty much what Sassy said.
 
Shadow....sorry bro 60/20/20..you know what i mean.
Thanks guys for all the advice. Well to go into it a bit more. My liver enzymes have been up in the past and i thought that may be the cause, but iv esince rectified that and i still feel fatigued. Im taking 500mg vitamin c and ahigh quality multi twice daily as well as magnesiumand glutamine so i think that cuts it. Depressed? Well that one im not too sure about. Ive had things happen in my life That i havent been treated for ) that may contribute to depression but i dont feel sad...not sure. As for sleep well im a shift worker and im not the best sleeper but i say i would average 8-9 hours per day. The cleasing diet may be one to consider but im pretty sure thats not it.....as ive always eaten well.
 
Ive tried that and only succeeded in increasing my bf. Oh and i dont smoke or drink at all so that eliminates that. Ive had all the test done at the Docs and everything comes back normal. WTF.
 
If i had to guess, which without actually knowing all your info, i would say that its the lack of carbs, which equates to a lack of energy, thats causing you to feel this way.
 
i'd increase the carb intake as suggested. 40/40/20 c/p/f is the balanced way to go.

you still get some pretty good numbers out of these.

2500 cals of this breadown is 250 carb, 250 pro, and 55 fat -- pretty solid if you ask me. adjust accordingly of course.
 
Royster said:
lower volume until you feel better. Don train to failure.

At 3 days per week he does not need to reduce his volume, if anything he should add one more day.

his problem is his diet, not his training.
 
Maybe you're forgetting to mention something? Like you work in a hospital and are around sick patients all day .. idk ???
 
lol, nah i dont work in a hospital. Ive tried upping the carbs and felt exactly the same. Ive returned to my usual 60/20/20 to compensate for the bf. Im thinking it is the shift work maybe. I work a night, afternoon, day rotating shift roster which is notoriously hard on the body. What do you guys think?
 
Do you do any carb rotation or refeeds? That might help --- instead of just keeping low carbs, do a refeed at least 1x/week. Or you can try increasing carbs by say 4 oz sweet at 1 meal each day for 3 days, then drop back to base, then start the increase again.
 
Well overtraining can certainly weaken the immune system so you get a sore throat

have had this a few times in the past :)
 
Yes im convinced im overtrained. Every time i start to pack on some good size again im forced to take time off....here goes again i guess. Thanks for all the help guys. Karma to you all. Goodluck in the New Year!
 
you have to remember that when your body is repairing muscle all the time that does draw from your immune system, throw that in with being in a germ infested gym (99.9% are, think, how many people touch dumbells and barbells and they don't get wiped down!) and you have a recipe for constant colds. It is also hard to recover from a cold if you are breaking muscle tissues at the same time.
 
Nothing wrong with taking a bit of time off.

It's not so much the number of days you train but what you are doing to yourself over the course of the week. Total volume and intensity is key to regulate. There are plenty lifters who can train 6 days a week and more than once per day (all natural too), but the amount of volume and intensity applied is regulated. Example - I can overtain by squatting twice per week doing 10 heavy sets of 85% 1RM to failure but I could squat every day twice a day doing 1 set of 5 with 20% of my 1RM. Stuff like that matters a lot.
 
Madcow2 said:
Nothing wrong with taking a bit of time off.

It's not so much the number of days you train but what you are doing to yourself over the course of the week. Total volume and intensity is key to regulate. There are plenty lifters who can train 6 days a week and more than once per day (all natural too), but the amount of volume and intensity applied is regulated. Example - I can overtain by squatting twice per week doing 10 heavy sets of 85% 1RM to failure but I could squat every day twice a day doing 1 set of 5 with 20% of my 1RM. Stuff like that matters a lot.
Id agree totally with this Bro. I know it good to cycle your training with regards to volume, intensity and or weight. Ive always had the mentality that if im not putting in 110% in the gym someone else may be therefor progressing more than me. I see guys in the gym day after day in the gym socialising training and a bit of everything, where as i always seem to be busting my ass. Im sure this as well as my full on life style contributes to my overtraining.
 
Keep in mind that there is a distinction between working hard and working smart. Most of the BBing routines that people post on this website are utter garbage and require anabolics to make an experienced lifter grow at all. Sure, they bust their ass in the gym but the program is crap. First you design a good program that addresses volume/intensity over the training cycle (working smart), then you work hard at it.

All of these train to failure, superset, isolation exercise nutcases are certainly working hard - but I don't think they are working smart nor do they have a good understanding of how to properly design a workout.
 
Once again agreed totally Bro..I dont train very heavy now but ive more than made up with it through intensity whilst trying to maintain a respectable poundages.
 
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