Over 40 and planning a first cycle

[jerol]

Hello,

I'm new to this forum so I'll give some background on myself, along with my goals:

I'm 44 years old, 6'3", 195 pounds and 12% BF. I began bodybuilding 25 years ago (when I weighed 145 pounds, btw). I have had some nagging injuries that have prevented consistent work outs (namely herniated cervical discs and chondromalacia patellae). I am an extreme ectomorph that has always had issues putting on mass -- but when it does go on, it looks very good.

About 4 months ago, I began bodybuilding again after a year and a half layoff from my most recent cervical disc (asymptomatic now). Since then I have gained probably 7 pounds of lean mass (estimate). I have very good "muscle memory", so even after a prolonged layoff I tend to gain back my tone and mass fairly quickly. My diet is impeccable (though not enough calories, obviously -- I usually get around 3000/day). I take Creatine as my only current "mass" supplement.

I am considering a cycle of steroids to give me some additional thickness (I have heinous tone, just no mass -- and my legs are, well, pathetic). My current plan is to hit it hard "naturally" for the next 2-6 months (with particular focus on my legs) and then try a cycle.

I am not interested in developing a "huge" physique. My ideal weight would be around 215 pounds (I want to be able to fit into standard clothing).

As a first time user, I don't need to see big gains, and I really don't want any harsh side effects. Several years ago, I experimented with the oral prohormone 1-AD and noted a pronounced negative effect on my libido. I would really like to avoid any significant effects in that regard.

Since I haven't seen any gear before, would a simple Primobolan cycle suffice (say 200mg ED x 6 weeks or so). Or should I go traditional and stick to a simpler test cycle with something like Sustanon or test e for 8 weeks (with appropriate PCT, of course)? Truthfully, I'm a bit scared of fucking up my HPTA at my age and that's part of the reason I mentioned the Primobolan only idea (I know that is NOT standard thinking).

Many thanks for your help,

Jerol

 

[doctor1]

A basic but very efficient cutting stack. This combo provides 0 estrogen(the culprit), and is only moderatleyandrogenic in nature with little to no side effects. Yielding VERY GOOD solid results:

7 week cycle of Anavar 20-30mg/day and Primobolan Depot 200mg/week.
I'm already in my 4th week and am VERY VERY HAPPY with my results.
And, for an added kick supplement the creatine with your cycle. Reason being Anavar
increases phosphocreatine so the added creatine would be like adding a truck load more ATP to your already growing muscles. With the creatine your muscles will have a far greater reserve than they would with the anavar alone. Besides, post-cycle if you train and eat right you will keep most of the solid gains earned while on. One can not beat that deal if u ask me

If you're going to listen to somebody listen to someone who is actually IN THE MEDICAL FIELD, if u know what i mean....nuff about that[/B].

Hope everything works out for you. Best of luck.

Doctor1

 

[doctor1]

I see you're online what do u think of that plan?

 

[jerol]

A basic but very efficient cutting stack. This combo provides 0 estrogen(the culprit), and is only moderatleyandrogenic in nature with little to no side effects. Yielding VERY GOOD solid results:

7 week cycle of Anavar 20-30mg/day and Primobolan Depot 200mg/week.
I'm already in my 4th week and am VERY VERY HAPPY with my results.
And, for an added kick supplement the creatine with your cycle. Reason being Anavar
increases phosphocreatine so the added creatine would be like adding a truck load more ATP to your already growing muscles. With the creatine your muscles will have a far greater reserve than they would with the anavar alone. Besides, post-cycle if you train and eat right you will keep most of the solid gains earned while on. One can not beat that deal if u ask me

If you're going to listen to somebody listen to someone who is actually IN THE MEDICAL FIELD, if u know what i mean....nuff about that[/B].

Hope everything works out for you. Best of luck.

Doctor1

Hehe,

Thanks Doc. I'm an M.D. too btw... just goes to show how very little we all know about AAS. I think your cycle suggestion might be good for me, actually. I use Anavar in my burn/trauma patients to help counteract the extreme catabolism that accompanies those severe injuries, so I am familiar with the medicine.

I like Primobolan's profile as well. I take it you'd recommend the injection over the oral route. Would you divide the shots into 2/week?

My recent thoughts on a cycle for me have had me considering shorter (4 wk) cycles to a) reduce side effects/possibility of permanent HPTA dysfunction and b) hopefully attain quality gains that aren't lost inbetween cycles. Again, I'm not looking to get huge. My ideal weight would be around 215, so I don't need to gain 20 pounds in one 8 wk cycle.

I appreciate your advice, and I'll keep you posted...

Take care,

Jerol

 

[motodawg]

Alrite is there a doc in the house. I'm 49 have done several cycles, when i'm not on a cycle I like 125mgs test e per week. I get my blood tested but my dr is not o.k. with aas. Do you really think that long cycles will cause permanent HPTA dysfunction? What do you think about hcg. Also what are your thoughts about a lite hgh dose say 1iu 3 times per week mon wed fri? Sides if you know of any?

 

[doctor1]

Dr. Jerol,

First off it is nice to know people like us realize that medicine needs to catch up to science and quickly. To answer your question...yes u can do 2/wk or u can do it in one shot (pardon the pun) because the dosage is so low it will do no harm to your HTPA. 7 week cycle stick with it have faith and if you don't get blood work done before and after (pre and post cycle) if you don't beleive me. The most u will gain is 5-10lbs of solid muscle. Safe, effective and yes if my patient came to me and said I will do steroids what should i do. First i would tell them the consequences but if one can not stop them this would be the way to go.

Thanks Doc. I'm an M.D. too btw... just goes to show how very little we all know about AAS. I think your cycle suggestion might be good for me, actually. I use Anavar in my burn/trauma patients to help counteract the extreme catabolism that accompanies those severe injuries, so I am familiar with the medicine.

I like Primobolan's profile as well. I take it you'd recommend the injection over the oral route. Would you divide the shots into 2/week?

My recent thoughts on a cycle for me have had me considering shorter (4 wk) cycles to a) reduce side effects/possibility of permanent HPTA dysfunction and b) hopefully attain quality gains that aren't lost inbetween cycles. Again, I'm not looking to get huge. My ideal weight would be around 215, so I don't need to gain 20 pounds in one 8 wk cycle.

I appreciate your advice, and I'll keep you posted...

Take care,

Jerol[/QUOTE]

 

[littleman50-CHARGEBACK]

Ok docs - some sound advice please. Have done a number of cycles, some good, some worthless. Am at 180, 12% BF, want to gain 20 - 30 lbs on cycle and then shed 10 - 15 after water loss, etc. Am on script test 50mg/day. Want to run a 8 - 10 week cycle, maybe 12. I've got a dozen cycles I could send that I've used but I'm curious what the medical profession would suggest. Orals or sticks - doesn't matter.

Thanks

 

[lottalead]

Sticks Better On The Liver--------

 

[jronimoe15]

great post doc........i'm 36, have a script of var(oxandrin) from my doc, for 30mg/day. however, i've had the script forever, so i've got enough var to last for years if i choose to use it. additionally, i take 2ius of GH per day....i've been diagnosed with Adult Hormone Deficiency and will obviously be taking GH for quite sometime.

my question is this, i know primo is a very safe, effective AAS, but what are your thoughts on EQ? i know it is a vet drug, but is seems to be considered a safe AS, and as effective, if not more than Primo.....and a hell of lot cheaper. like you, i have no desire to put on lot's of weight...i just want to stay lean and healthy.

also, how many primo/var cycles would you take per year......1, maybe 2?

all feedback is greatly appreciated.

Dr. Jerol,

First off it is nice to know people like us realize that medicine needs to catch up to science and quickly. To answer your question...yes u can do 2/wk or u can do it in one shot (pardon the pun) because the dosage is so low it will do no harm to your HTPA. 7 week cycle stick with it have faith and if you don't get blood work done before and after (pre and post cycle) if you don't beleive me. The most u will gain is 5-10lbs of solid muscle. Safe, effective and yes if my patient came to me and said I will do steroids what should i do. First i would tell them the consequences but if one can not stop them this would be the way to go.

Thanks Doc. I'm an M.D. too btw... just goes to show how very little we all know about AAS. I think your cycle suggestion might be good for me, actually. I use Anavar in my burn/trauma patients to help counteract the extreme catabolism that accompanies those severe injuries, so I am familiar with the medicine.

I like Primobolan's profile as well. I take it you'd recommend the injection over the oral route. Would you divide the shots into 2/week?

My recent thoughts on a cycle for me have had me considering shorter (4 wk) cycles to a) reduce side effects/possibility of permanent HPTA dysfunction and b) hopefully attain quality gains that aren't lost inbetween cycles. Again, I'm not looking to get huge. My ideal weight would be around 215, so I don't need to gain 20 pounds in one 8 wk cycle.

I appreciate your advice, and I'll keep you posted...

Take care,

Jerol

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