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Oral Steroid Toxicity

YankeesMan

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I often hear people say that compound X is more/less liver toxic than compound Y, but if I understand it correctly all oral steroids are liver toxic for exactly the same reason (the 17alk group).

My question is how can one be more toxic than any other?
Also, if some are more toxic than others, which are the most and least toxic orals?

Thanks!
 
Well, an example with halotestin is that there are three chemical bonds to break (17-a methyl group, a 9-a fluorine, and 11-OH), where winny, var and dbol have two. I don't know what it is that supposedly makes anadrol and methyltest so much more toxic than these though.
 
bottom line all i know is winny didn't elevate my liver values after 6 months, dbol raised them after 4 weeks. anadrol and halotestin are much harsher than anavar or winny. we need tux for this
 
Ozz2001 said:
I just got 100 anadrols, my liver loves me now....Fuck it, you only live once...
I will sell you a small piece of my very healthy liver ... for all your k. LOL

Seriously .... be careful Ozz. A-bombs are very hard on the liver. Watch your bp too.

Here is a profile:

Anadrol is an oral drug with a dosage of 50mg per tablet. It is the strongest oral on the market. It has both high androgenic and anabolic effects. Strength and weight gains are very significant. It is highly toxic to the liver. Anadrol also aromatizes fairly easily.

Many side effects are associated including acne, hair loss, abdominal pains, headaches, gynecomastia, hypertension, and heavy water retention. Loss of weight and strength usually occurs after the cycle. Anadrol also shuts down natural testosterone production. It is regarded by the bodybuilding community as the most effective oral steroid in building strength and size. Anadrol has many side effects however, which make it relatively dangerous to use when compared to other steroids.

Oxymetholone does not bind well to the androgen receptor, and most of the anabolism it provides is via non-androgenic receptor-mediated effects. It is therefore best stacked with an anabolic steroid like Deca Durabolin or Primobolan. The drug appears to give the same benefits as Dianabol. Unlike Dianabol, however, it seems that Oxymetholone is progestagenic. It has been observed to cause nipple soreness or to aggravate gynecomastia even in the presence of high dose antiestrogens, strongly suggesting that the effect is not estrogenic. That effect can be reduced by concurrent use of Stanozolol (Winstrol), which is anti-progestagenic. This progestagenic effect of oxymetholone is only a concern when using aromatizing steroids. With androgens such as Primobolan, Oxymetholone stacks very nicely and is a surprisingly friendly drug. In contrast, with testosterone it is a very harsh drug.

Because oxymetholone is 17-alkylated, it is stressful to the liver. It is better to limit use to no more than 6 weeks or preferably four weeks before taking a break of at least equal length. Many users feel that it is more effectively used in the beginning parts of the cycle, rather than in the last few weeks.

You might have read drug profiles and stories claiming that a weight gain of 40 pounds or more isn't unusual with this drug. Since the start of this site, and as long back in time as this writer can remember, we haven't talked to one person who've actually gained that much from this steroid alone. It seems like most of the drug profiles out there have been written by a third person who never tried the drugs himself, just heard stories about them. It is a good steroid, but only when it's stacked with anabolic steroids.

For a first-timer, a daily dosage of 50-100 mg should be enough, divided into several doses per day. A more experienced user might need as much as 200 mg per day to get the effect he want, but the recommended dosage is in the range of 50-150 mg per day for no more than 6 weeks.
 
i might be wrong, but i would have thought its because the dose youd normally take of dbol is much lower than that of anadrol, so overall you're taking in a smaller amount of 17aa

eg if you take 30mg/day of dbol compared to 100mg/day anadrol, your taking in 70mg less 17aa?? overall making the dbol less toxic?

does this mean 100mg of dbol would be as hepatotoxic as 100mg anadrol??
 
YankeesMan said:
I often hear people say that compound X is more/less liver toxic than compound Y, but if I understand it correctly all oral steroids are liver toxic for exactly the same reason (the 17alk group).

My question is how can one be more toxic than any other?
Also, if some are more toxic than others, which are the most and least toxic orals?

Thanks!


Not all orals are liver toxic. Primo tabs are not part of the 17aa oral group...
 
This topic can be beat to death with no real answers. What drug isn't hard on the liver? Many people are on regular Cholesterol meds, these are by no means easy on the liver and the list goes on...When we do take oral AAS it's for relatively short periods also. Is toxic even the right word to use? We know the liver has a hard time breaking the compound down to waste but does that make it toxic or just hard to deal with?
 
is tylers perscription or otc?

sorry is dumb question, i have just never used it

edit:
never mind, i think i just found it in the AF store.
 
AST, ALT long term increases( not good), Low hdl , high ldl- not good , jaundice- not good, Abdominal CT scan with findings indicating "sludge" or increased size of gallbladder- not good.Coronary artery disease secondary to decreased HDL Increases LDL-not good All possibilities just outting that out there
 
Quiltie said:
Primo is an Acetate, not a 17aa. Like Trenbolone Acetate. As for the rest, see Ulter's post. Liver toxic is the correct term, because there is damage to the liver during metabolization. Medline to the rescue!!!
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000218.htm
Read the part where it says "Anabolic steroids"...

Then as per medline, all AAS is liver toxic. They use the term anabolic steroids as a blanket statement with no mention of oral, injectable, 17AA, dose. :rolleyes:
 
chordz said:
Then as per medline, all AAS is liver toxic. They use the term anabolic steroids as a blanket statement with no mention of oral, injectable, 17AA, dose. :rolleyes:

So, what would you like to know? The only way to know is 'anecdotal evidence' gathered through researching user experiences. That link was to explain what 'liver toxic' meant, BTW... And to some extent, just about everything is liver toxic.
 
For what it is worth, I once did an 8 week, var(btg) only cycle and used 160 mg ed. I did not use any supps at all and my cholesterol and liver values were only high normal after those 8 weeks. :p

cheers.
 
soxfan said:
For what it is worth, I once did an 8 week, var(btg) only cycle and used 160 mg ed.

Damn, thats a lot of Var... that must have been a pricey cycle. How were the strength gains?
 
soxfan said:
For what it is worth, I once did an 8 week, var(btg) only cycle and used 160 mg ed. I did not use any supps at all and my cholesterol and liver values were only high normal after those 8 weeks. :p

cheers.


What were your results? What did you keep?
 
YankeesMan said:
Damn, thats a lot of Var... that must have been a pricey cycle. How were the strength gains?

YM/Boston,

This was several years ago and I did a "favor" for my source and he gave me the var so it was real cheap! I netted about 15 lbs of rock hard, insanely vascular muscle mass and my lifts were up about 40% across the board; it was magic! :heart:

cheers.
 
soxfan said:
YM/Boston,

This was several years ago and I did a "favor" for my source and he gave me the var so it was real cheap! I netted about 15 lbs of rock hard, insanely vascular muscle mass and my lifts were up about 40% across the board; it was magic! :heart:

cheers.


Damn... I can't wait to try some Var... maybe in a fall cycle.
 
the toxicity of orals is blown WAY out of proportion, used in a wise manner can things be ok for a longer then what you think period of time

of course

but if your doing things in a wise manner your getting blood work anyway so you know whats going on
 
It cracks me up the general population eats tylenol like candy. girls are possing 17aa toxic drugs(birth control) like candy all year round. people drink themselves stupid and puke from so much alchohol consumption. and guess what! ALL that shit is liver toxic and 99.9% of those people go through life unscathed.
But you hear one bodybuilder say he is doing 50mg a day of Anadrol, covering it with more liver protectants than he can count and all the bells and whistles go off about how liver cancer is right around the corner.
gimme a goddamn break, live a healthy lifestyle, dont drink, be stupid and abuse your liver with alchohol and take your protectants and vitamins. U will be fine
 
Wulfgar said:
It cracks me up the general population eats tylenol like candy. girls are possing 17aa toxic drugs(birth control) like candy all year round. people drink themselves stupid and puke from so much alchohol consumption. and guess what! ALL that shit is liver toxic and 99.9% of those people go through life unscathed.
But you hear one bodybuilder say he is doing 50mg a day of Anadrol, covering it with more liver protectants than he can count and all the bells and whistles go off about how liver cancer is right around the corner.
gimme a goddamn break, live a healthy lifestyle, dont drink, be stupid and abuse your liver with alchohol and take your protectants and vitamins. U will be fine

True story.
 
Ulter said:
The bottom line is that your liver can handle any 17aa for a short period of time. A simple liver detox like Tyler can insure it's not overworked.
Anavar is less toxic because the oxygen molecule attached to it to make it easier on your liver. Unfortunately that means it's also passing a lot of it unused.


Ulter - how many caps every day say for a 4 week stint of T-bol?
 
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