oral dbol gyno issues

[robbysixx]

been on dbol 30mg last 4 days, started feeling bit numb on nipple, and saw its starting to get puffy .... i fucked up majorly and didnt get ai before i started ... to be fair the dude said hed definetly have and will be sweet, but now apparently its fucked up or he can get some,,, tho un labeled shit (so a bit suss on that)

this is my first cycle so it could be normal? i can understand it being puffy but not the numb feeling or the sensitiveness

so what do i do????? dont be sheep and re write the dudes answer above you to sound smart, just after different solid ideas

will dropping to 20mg have any effect? im thnking it might lower sides?

thanks in advance

 

[Stackinplates]

estrogen issues not much you can do besides discontinue or get an Ai
Normally when your nipples start to get sensitive your E2 levels are fairly high
Have you gotten any blood work done or you just a guinea pig?

 

[robbysixx]

chears for the reply mate,, appreciated, yeah bloods were all fine,just feels a bit more sensitive, kind of a ice cold feeling... then again i fully might be paranoid?
should i taper down to 10mg a day for 90 days? i heard it gets real good results and virtually no sides...

 

[Stackinplates]

I keep my Dieball 20 to 30 mg a day I don't venture down in the 10 that's just my personal opinion are you stacking test with it too are you just running it alone (not a very good idea)

What were your estrogen levels prior to your Cycle? You're telling me your estrogen levels are the same as they were before you started your cycle?

Just because your estrogen levels right now read in range doesn't mean that it's in range for your body everyone's different

I normally get labs done before my cycle sometimes during my cycle depending on the ration and always a couple months after PCT
That's just how I do things to cover all of my bases from start to finish

 

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Btw I would never run a oral 90 days!!! Especially dbol

What are your stats .. And experience with lifting etc.

 

[robbysixx]

yeah thats just it man, i got this advice from a pro bodybuilder, as in , BIG time pro, so i wont drop names... it was my first cycle so he said just run it alone to get my feet wet type thing (at 10mg for 100 days).. and apparently they ran it for alot longer than 4-6 weeks,, apparently for months on end (not as hardcore on mgs tho)... alot of stuff ive learnt from him and other old schoolers etc, is completely different than on here and other forums... some of them never even do pct, although stay on alot longer....dont know who to believe????
stats are 75kg bout 5'10 bout 7 % bf , training 6 days a week for about 2 years now ... before that was training but not as intense
would add some pics, but itd be a fuck around and i really cant be bothered haha

appreciate your positive input to man, was more expecting a heap of ppl to say research first before starting, your dumb, etc etc.. (even though i could learn for the next 3 years and still know shit, its all back and forth)

 

[robbysixx]

and not sure what levels were of estrogen, doc just said everythings perfect (this was about 3 weeks ago), so would tapering down to 20mg help? ive done 30mg for 4 days... is that enough time too even cause a big mess? and have you ever had symptons like these?it may be normal for all i know? nipples dont hurt, or itch.... its just like ... a bit numb, kind of like adrenaline feeling just behind nipple? ive off another site some ppl can feel the water retention around theyre nipples... at first i thought it was cos i done chest day and was absorbing blood into the muscle or something? i could be just bein a little bitch and jumping on every little feeling.... just being better safe than sorry tho.. i dont want to screw with my body

 

[Stackinplates]

just seems to be a lot long wrong with everything you just told me..

First of dbol only cycle is stupid ur gonna lose all ur gains as soon as ya stop.. Yes inhave had that issue it was e2 levels I would do a bit more reading and drop the dbol stick to test cycle for first

How old u say u are?

 

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Hold on a sec.. U said ur e levels were fine three weeks ago ? But u have been on dbol 4 days so explain how you know ur estrogen is fine right now?! Does not make sense ?!

Come on bro u ask for help yet ur whole post has all sorts of flakey stuff going on

Pro bodybuilders telling you to stay on my animal for 100 days and yada yada yada....

All sorts of madness

 

[Stackinplates]

Dbol for 100 days*

 

[robbysixx]

no i dont know if my estr lvls are fine right this minute, thought you asked how they were before cycle?.. im booked for bloods next week... and i never told you anything? just said my nipples felt trippy, everything else is what ive been told by mates, 1 being a pro, and dead set, what i said is exactly what he told me, im just saying what he told.... from what i heard off here yes it is completely different advice, and it did make me second guess, but then again he was #1 a few years back... so thats why im asking on here for other opinions....and im finding it hard to believe people lose all there gains from dbol... whats with dbols hype if it so pointless? i understand with test, but if i had sides then i would be confused as to which was doing it? atleast now ill have an idea if my body handles dbol and its effects etc... so your saying you did have these symptoms? what did you do? am i just fussing or should i be worried... they are not itchy or painful,, its just as though i feel them doing something, no lump, could it just be water retention?? maybe them filling with water??

 

[robbysixx]

im 26 also bud ... and are you 100% sure 10mg for 100 days is that bad??? like what about people who snort speed and drink all day for 1000's of days strait?? think about it, we take care of our body and eat clean... if its that toxic to liver bodybuilders would be dying every day from orals..... not sure mate, wouldnt you agree that alot of that toxic stuff is textbook scare tactics??

 

[robbysixx]

dont want a debate tho ,, just want to absorb everyones info,, i know i fucked up with not getting an ai first off and not starting with test, ill admit that ... it just seams everyone i know who are fully experienced keep saying they dont use any of that stuff (ai, pct) sounds crazy after reading all this stuff on the net, but im just saying what ive been told.. ive also read that alot of these ai's/pcts can screw with you .. look at what theyre prescribed for, does that not make anyone wonder?? ... also did arnie, frank and all those old schoolers do pct ??? plenty of people would of started with dbol only ... i just want to know what i should do from here? drop the dosage? or if i stop.. thats also saying that in future i shouldnt go near dbol again?

 

[Stackinplates]

First off that's a ton of shit to take in.... It's simple get ur labs done check estrogen levels of its high take a Ai if u wanna drop ur dose do it I dint like to risk stuff if my body does not feel normal....

Would really think about a test only cycle ... Without a Ai on that dbol ur gonna gain water weight and ur estrogen prob will be high just my 2 cents

 

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If u take dbol for 90 days without test and do no pct please let me know how u feel 2 months after ur cycle .. Dude I understand ur questions but ... Sounds to me u need to do more reading .. Honestly I would drop the dbol only cycle

 

[robbysixx]

chears for your quick replies and info,, youve been a huge help ... will def check est levels,, yeah just going by what ive been told,, it does sound crazy to me too bro but you have to understand im getting info off a dude who obviously knows hes stuff... see how im kind of caught between peoples advice?? i have done plenty of reading, trust me on that ... to the point where alot of info is contradicting itself and im getting lost with who to trust? but what you have said is solid info regardless.. i appreciate .... so is it possible what im feeling and seeing is just water retention? ive heard people can feel there nipples pulling in the water, and sometimes have a panick and jump conclusions... could this just be it? also a positive way to look at it (even if i lose gains) is that its showing a bit of potential , and making me feel heaps better overall

 

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U gotta realize all ppl are different if this dude is recommending that obviously he knows his body what he can do and what not.. Like u said earlier he stays in year round so he might be using a bit of dbol in between stuff who knows unless u ask him why he does what he does ..

Yes it could be possible but like I have told ya it's prob e levels

 

[robbysixx]

yeah that makes sense chears again mate, hopefully just got onto some nolva.. in your opinion should i start taking ? and what would be your recomended dosage?