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[raw2005]

Hello to ya'll

First of love your form gots to say that its the best out there.
The real reason for my posting is that i want to get strenght and some size.
And i need to know what routine to bust out. I also want to start taking sust and deca along wit my work out. But need to get it first.
But a good solid routine is what i need to take advantage of the juice.

MY stats are as followed: 5'8 235LBS
I only stuff i have ever used was some mexican ish called SUPERTEST 250. I love the results it gave. I went from first only being able to bench on 35lbs plate on each side to doing 3 45lbs on each side!!!!! I did it for 8weeks, first 2 weeks i only shot 2cc on mondays, then after that i did 2.5cc every mondays and wedndays.

 

[raw2005]

bump

 

[sweed]

im guessing that before your first cycle you weren't even 20 ... you should not have done a cycle if you were that weak to begin with... once you hit 315 natty then i think you could begin a first cycle, but only if your of a relatively decent age and have a good mass base

 

[Lowest]

You went from doing 115 to 315 in 8 weeks? I got to call BS on that, lol. Even with 500-750mg/week of test I don't believe that's possible. If it is, it's by far the most extreme example I've ever even heard of.

 

[anthony518]

Sust and deca are a good combo, but some guys say only take one at a time. You want to see which one is effecting you the wrong way, if one does. I have had some extreme strength jumps before and usually my bench is the one that shows the most. I would go for the sust and do a little d-bol to start it off. I am 5'10 220 and at 5'8 235 you most be a big boy, how old are you and what is you bf%???

 

[muddog51]

You need test with deca, dont take it alone, or you'll be sorry!!! Sus. deca . dbol very good begining cycle. And Juice isnt the answer, unless your do the hard work, and diet right, you'll only ever be a 10week monster, bc you;ll watch it go by by as fast as it came.

 

[SaleenMustang91]

i dont usually rag on people...but right now all i can say is "wow"

 

[TheRide]

You went from doing 115 to 315 in 8 weeks? I got to call BS on that, lol. Even with 500-750mg/week of test I don't believe that's possible. If it is, it's by far the most extreme example I've ever even heard of.

Just what I was thinking?

 

[peach0341]

Your 5'8'' and 235. What did you weigh 8 weeks ago when you could only bench 115? LOL!

 

[SlimJim300]

2.5cc every Monday and Wednesday... Does that come to 1250mg/week?

 

[Anthony Starks]

Hello to ya'll

First of love your form gots to say that its the best out there.
The real reason for my posting is that i want to get strenght and some size.
And i need to know what routine to bust out. I also want to start taking sust and deca along wit my work out. But need to get it first.
But a good solid routine is what i need to take advantage of the juice.

MY stats are as followed: 5'8 235LBS
I only stuff i have ever used was some mexican ish called SUPERTEST 250. I love the results it gave. I went from first only being able to bench on 35lbs plate on each side to doing 3 45lbs on each side!!!!! I did it for 8weeks, first 2 weeks i only shot 2cc on mondays, then after that i did 2.5cc every mondays and wedndays.

Opinions? My opinion is that you are full of shit and I don't believe a word of your post. How's that?

 

[TheRide]

Opinions? My opinion is that you are full of shit and I don't believe a word of your post. How's that?

 

[DiamondCutCows]

2.5cc every Monday and Wednesday... Does that come to 1250mg/week?

If SuperTest is 500mg/ml then you are right. Damn thats mad juice for a newb. WOW. I thought SuperTest was 400mg/ml, but I know SHIT about the Mexi-Scene

 

[Anthony Starks]

If SuperTest is 500mg/ml then you are right. Damn thats mad juice for a newb. WOW. I thought SuperTest was 400mg/ml, but I know SHIT about the Mexi-Scene

I think its actually 250mg/ml, but he's shooting 5cc's a week, so yeah, 1250mg. He could be doing 1250 grams a week though and there is no way to put on 200 pounds to your bench in eight weeks.

 

[H_T_]

hmmmm, where's the salt shaker?

 

[DiamondCutCows]

I think its actually 250mg/ml, but he's shooting 5cc's a week, so yeah, 1250mg. He could be doing 1250 grams a week though and there is no way to put on 200 pounds to your bench in eight weeks.

I didnt even notice it was bi-wkly. WOW is all I can say.

 

[raw2005]

I have no reason to bullshit anyone here. Doing that would only discredit me, and i would lose any if at all respect from you all. When i started i did have a hard time benching one 45lbs plate on each side. I maxed out 3 45lbs plates on each side by time i was done. Shoulder press was the same thing, but i was doing 3 sets of 10. I was also taking glucamine, whey protein, and creatine.

 

[raw2005]

is this good:
2.- MUSCLE GAIN CLASSIC

Sustanon, deca durabolin and dianabol followeb by 10 days of clomid

Week 1 Week 2 Week 3 Week 4 Week 5 Week 6 Week 7 Week 8
Deca Durabolin 200 400 400 400 400 400 400 200
Sustanon 250 250 250 250 250 250 250 250
Dianabol 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 5

14 Deca durabolin =
8 Sustanon =
350 tabs dianabol =
10 Clomid
shipping =
Total = $475 ish
Should i bump up the Sust to 500 and Deca to 300.

This is from a site, this is the only one i source i could find. Is the price good?

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Most of those premade cycles on sources sites have no ryhme or reason to them FYI

Thanks Raw.

 

[raw2005]

bump

 

[SPORT SCIENTIST]

Just finished a similar cycle myself :
week 1-4: 30mg dbol/day
week 1-10: 250mg sust e3d
week 1-10: 200mg decca e3d

I'd suggest that you do the decca e3d in combination with the sust, as it can allieviate the sust burn. Either frontload the sust at 1000mg (250 eod) or kickstart your cycle with dbol - prefer this as I get awesome results from dbol.

I went from 206lb to 235lbs!

As for training, I trained like an animal (followed a variation of Russian powerlifter Vitaly Popenkov's routine, with some olympic lifting and bodybuilding training for arms)

As a base philosophy for each basic exercise (lots of deadlifts, stiff deadlifts, bench presses, squats, front squats, clean and jerks, jerks) Try:

50% 1rm x5
60% 1rm x5
65% 1rm x4
70% 1rm x4
75% 1rm x3
80% 1rm x3
85% 1rm x2
90% 1rm x2
95% 1rm x1
100% 1rmx1

In addition to this I did 5x5 on squat and press, incline bench, weighted dips, bent over rows, bottom position bench press (hold for 2 seconds on chest before pressing)

also did static contraction bench presses (lower the weight until it is just above the sternum, but not touching the chest and count up to 5 Misissipi. Do not lock out, holding the weight for 2 Misissipi before lowering for another 5 Missisipi)- did it for 5x5 - This is tough!

At the end of my back routine, I did negative chin ups for 1 rep - EXPLOSIVE UP (from a hanging position), SUPER, SUPER SLOW DOWN) - alternated this with weighted cruches for a total of 20 singles as described.
Personal gripe: How many idiots do you see doing loads of chin ups and using loads of body English and momentum


For arms, I did single bicep curls and close grip benches (alternately) working up from low weight to a max.

This was followed by going to failure on bicep curls, dips, dumbell curls and single arm tricep presses - choose a weight you can get 10 reps to failure - rest only 1 minute, go again - stop when reps fall below 6

Finish off alternating 10 reps of very light weight machine curls with 3 reps of plyometric jumping press ups with a clap (kill the tris when you catch)
- continue until you can't do any more.
I HAVE NEVER HAD SUCH A PUMP IN ALL MY YEARS OF BODYBUILDING!

If you have never tried olympic lifting - get someone to teach you proper technique and go for it. Since I've added front squats, clean and jerks and jerks to my routine, my strenght has gone through the roof.

I also did tons of forearm and calf work - this was mostly done between sets (calves) and at the end of workouts (forearms)
workouts for forearms included weight plate holds (try to hold a plate with our fingers and thumb for 1 minute - increase weight once this is achieved) and chin up bar holds - hang from the chin up bar for as long as possible -= go for a record every time (PAIN!)

Hope this helps. Good luck

 

[Goldprospector]

I have no reason to bullshit anyone here. Doing that would only discredit me, and i would lose any if at all respect from you all. When i started i did have a hard time benching one 45lbs plate on each side. I maxed out 3 45lbs plates on each side by time i was done. Shoulder press was the same thing, but i was doing 3 sets of 10. I was also taking glucamine, whey protein, and creatine.

Shoulder press...I am assuming you are talking about a Military or overhead press, and you are saying it was the "same thing". So you are saying that you pressed 315? I definitely have to call BS on that.

 

[raw2005]

Shoulder press...I am assuming you are talking about a Military or overhead press, and you are saying it was the "same thing". So you are saying that you pressed 315? I definitely have to call BS on that.

It's a machine. you kinda sit in it like a incline bench machine, but it's a shoulder press. i do 3 45lbs plates on each side