Opinions Please

[grim_reapin]

I am getting ready to start my first cycle so I am going to post everything here and see what you guys think. Please if you see something you don't like let me know.

Cycle-

-Week 1-6 30mg Paperbol ED

-Week 1-10 600mg BL Test Enanthate (should I taper this at end?)

-Was Possible thinking of Bridging Var after this cycle but kinda wanted your guys opinion on that?

Post Cycle- ***QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE***

I am going to Mix Nolva and Clomid but hear different stories on amounts so kinda need an idea what most you guys find works best. Also taking 1000iu of HCG for 1 week, 30 Grams Creatine Daily, Tylers Liver Detox and Milk Thistle.

Supplements-

-Milk Thistle (during cycle and post cycle)

-Tylers Liver Detox (during cycle and post cycle)

-Vitamin B-5

-Vitamin B-12 injectable (taking already)

-Flaxseed Oil

-L-glutamine (leftovers-lots)

-Ultra-Fuel (after workouts)

-Multi-Vitamin

-Vitamin C

Workout-

-5x5 routine (since trying to pack on muscle)

Diet-

-Meal #1-
-4 Large Whole Eggs
-1 Cup Oats w/milk
-1 Banana
-16oz Whole Milk
-16oz Water

-Meal #2-
-8 oz Skinless Chicken Breast
-1 Orange
-8 oz potatoes
-16oz Whole Milk
-16oz Water

-Meal #3
-8 oz fresh Salmon
-1 cup white rice
-1 green apple
-16 oz Whole Milk
-16 oz Water

-Meal #4
-4 scoops of N-Large 2
-1 Banana
-16 oz Milk
-16 oz Water

-Meal #5
-4 sccops of N-Large 2
-16 oz Milk

-Meal #6
-8 oz Lean Ground Beef
-1 cup White Rice
-1 orange
-16 oz Whole Milk
-16 oz Water

Program Trackers Approx Cal Intake Daily=5861 Cals, 416 Grams Protein, 613.4 Grams of Carbs, 193.92 Grams of Fat, and 51 Grams of Fiber.

My Stats: I have been working out for 3 years intensely now and have gained about 25 lbs of muscle in that time but in the past 6 months with hard dieting just can't seem to get nowhere for some damned reason. Ive been taking my supps the same etc. Im 5' 8" and around 150 lbs and very lean. (will post pics soon). This is my bulking cycle and will probably do this cycle a few times depending how my bodyfat % comes out to be (currently 8%).

Your opinions would be highly appreciated

 

[Testopro one]

It looks like you have every thing pretty much in place

 

[magman1]

on first cycle, i wouldnt mess around with bridging var...see how ur body reacts to PCT...meal 4 and 5 are too much...thats 68 grams of protein in one sitting! twice in a row is overboard! is this ur usual diet? at ur weight, u should be able to grow on this without aas...416 grams of protein at 150lbs...pushing it??? anywayz, good luck brotha!

 

[thx9000]

I think:

600mg of test EW is a good bit for a first cycle. 400mg should work, or even 500. 600 is a lot IMO.

No need to taper Enan, it will taper itself off that's why all the extra carbons are there.

Just do a cycle and then recover properly afterwards, I wouldn't complicate things with bridges at this time. This is your first time on exogenous hormones, you need to just see how it all goes and how you react. Recovery is a big part of a cycle and Var isn't a recovery drug.

The HCG is post cycle? I would use 1000mg MWF for three weeks along with the nolva and clomid (20mg and 50mg ED for 6 weeks total). That PCT approach follows DrJWM's advice that I have followed successfully in the past. This last PCT I decided to "go lighter" on my PCT approach and the blood tests I got back today suggest that this might have been a mistake.

If you are running HCG through the cycle I have done this at 500iu EW not at 1000iu EW.

If you are worried about cholesterol then I would at least include policosanol and garlic. Check out the sticky on this forum for more info.

I am not a big fan of getting my carbs from rice, pasta, potatoes, etc but I tend to gain fat quickly and am pretty paranoid about allowing BF to climb over 10-12%. Likewise, I don't think I've ever eaten 6000cal in a day, it takes me much less that than that to effectively grow and I weigh about 60lbs more. To me 40cal per LB of body weight seems almost obscene.

 

[thx9000]

oh.....

Do yourself a favor get pre-cycle testing.

Lipids, test/Wb test/free test/etc, normal blood work for kidney, liver function etc.

 

[grim_reapin]

Yep getting my bloodwork done this week...definetly not going into this without it. Maybe I will drop my cals some and see how things go. How many times bodyweight do you suggest for cals?

 

[thx9000]

Yep getting my bloodwork done this week...definetly not going into this without it. Maybe I will drop my cals some and see how things go. How many times bodyweight do you suggest for cals?

I really don't pay that close attention anymore. I eat a lot of protein, about 2.5 to 3lbs of lean meat a day and a couple of shakes. Thus I keep protein in the 400g to 500g range. The rest is just an assortment of other foods. I have a set of "meals" and "sides" that I put together like little lego blocks to comprise my diet.

On and off cycle I'd say my calories are close to 60% protein. The remaining 40% comes from carbs and fats. Off-cylce it is mostly, not completely, from fat and on-cycle most of that 40% is carbs. If I start getting fat too fast (I gain modest amount of fat on any cycle) while on then I take a look at total fat or the types of carbs I am eating and I adjust down or change food sources. Off cycle, if I am trying to cut fat and that cutting just isn't happening, is about the only time I will really watch total calories.

As a general rule I would say I am happy with the rate at which I gain lean mass with reasonable fat when I am at most 20 to 22cal per pound of body weight, while 16 to 18 or so calories per pound seems to deliver only slow results. I don't know if this is because total calories or too low or if it's because total carbs are too low. My guess is it has more to do with the lowering of carbs (remember, I keep protein constant always). I stated cal/lb up there, but the reality is I try to concentrate on the macro level of what I am eating, on-cycle, first then look back at the total calories after the fact more as a curiosity item and less as a guiding principle.

When cutting, it's easier to quantify with numbers like cal/lb. Once I get below 14cal per pound of mostly protein and fats I start to loose weight, at 12cal per/lb I loose fat and slowly strength as well, finally once I get to 10cal per pound I go through a short period of rapid fat loss followed by week-to-week strength losses and little loss of fat. Obviously, that is not where I want to be.

I acutally tracked all this stuff day by day for months and months over a period of years. I know what works for me, I know what I can eat and can't eat with success. I still run into disappointments in the process. In short, I doubt any of this applies to you. You need to determine what foods work and don't work for you. I would concentrate more on what you are eating, though, and less on how many total calories. If you know you are eating well (lots of protein, good clean carbs, etc) and not gaining enough then eat more of that same stuff, that is how I look at it on cycle. For me, if I start gaining fat too fast on-cycle is has always meant I am eating crappy carbs or way too much fat.

Wow, that was long winded.

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Read THX9000's post again

Do yourself a favor get pre-cycle testing...
Lipids, test/Wb test/free test/etc, normal blood work for kidney, liver function etc.