Only Test E Cycle

[GoHard24]

This is my first cycle. I was planning on taking
wk 1-10 Test Enanthate @ 500mg/wk
wk 13-16 Clomid @ 50 mg ED

Do I need to take anything during the cycle, or anything else after.

Thanks

 

[xrsist]

cycle looks good but you might wanna consider dropping the dosage down to 250mg a week. what are your stats? what supplement do you take now? whats your training regime like?

 

[littleb]

250mg every 4th-5th day, but i would also have some adex on hand, I am not a whore, but ag guys adex worked great for me...... also I would add nolva into pct along with clomid and run em both 3-4 weeks...

just how i would do it solid basic cycle great start....

 

[advanced-stealth]

I agree.

250mg every 4th-5th day, but i would also have some adex on hand, I am not a whore, but ag guys adex worked great for me...... also I would add nolva into pct along with clomid and run em both 3-4 weeks...

just how i would do it solid basic cycle great start....

 

[xrsist]

no need to run nolva that long or at all UNLESS your seeing gyno sides

 

[billdance]

Reminds me of my first cycle... old days... one or two tens was all you could get... I gained a good 15-20lbs...kept about 7..haha... Never needed nolvy at that dose...

 

[jagerbombme]

This is my first cycle. I was planning on taking
wk 1-10 Test Enanthate @ 500mg/wk
wk 13-16 Clomid @ 50 mg ED

Do I need to take anything during the cycle, or anything else after.

Thanks

i would run the enanthate like that. get some AI or aifm in case. i'd run some hcg starting 10 days prior to starting the clomid and run hcg @ 500-700iu for 10 days and then hit the clomid for 4 weeks @ 50mg

nice first cycle. don't use too much ai.

 

[zk7]

Dude, you need to run Arimidex or Aromasin while on Cycle. Test E can cause Gyno , Bloat, high blood pressure. Gotta have an AI on hand or your blood pressure will shoot through the roof.

 

[GoHard24]

k so can someone bascally give me a rundown of what I should take with this cycle besides the clomid and when because you all have diffrent opinions and im kinda a newb on the subject...thanks

 

[DonCorleone562]

k so can someone bascally give me a rundown of what I should take with this cycle besides the clomid and when because you all have diffrent opinions and im kinda a newb on the subject...thanks

Arimidex during cycle bro.

IMO .5mg ed starting at week 2 or 3

 

[littleb]

wow,, i got a lot of problems with responses here........ first off let me ask why no nolva along with clomid???????????? second aromasin is way overkill on this cycle

IF YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA THEN PLZZZ DONT PIPE IN TO TRY TO BOOST YOUR POST COUNT

 

[growinsc]

had a good 10 week of test E at 500/wk and was happy with results. just keep diet in check (learned the hard way)

 

[littleb]

sorry for yelling last night, im dieting right now so im a grumpy bastard...

to original poster, yes i would definitly get som adex, aromison is overkill for that small a cycle, think of adex as a 9mm handgun-- aromisin is a 44 mag.letro is a damn fully auto machine gun.. lol

adex will be perfect.. also add in some nolva for pct as well, much better to have it, for a couple reasons-------
1] it works along same lines but nolva is stronger-- hence the 20-40mg vs. clomid 100mg+

2]nolva will also help lipid profile

3] less sides, some bros just can not take clomid, so it would make sense to have nolva for FIRST cycle in case you can not stand the sides..


I personally take both, but i do not frontload my clomid and take it at a low dose through out pct. there are more reasons, for nolva over clomid but those are the biggies as I see it..
littleb

 

[njmuscleguy]

sorry for yelling last night, im dieting right now so im a grumpy bastard...

to original poster, yes i would definitly get som adex, aromison is overkill for that small a cycle, think of adex as a 9mm handgun-- aromisin is a 44 mag.letro is a damn fully auto machine gun.. lol

adex will be perfect.. also add in some nolva for pct as well, much better to have it, for a couple reasons-------
1] it works along same lines but nolva is stronger-- hence the 20-40mg vs. clomid 100mg+

2]nolva will also help lipid profile

3] less sides, some bros just can not take clomid, so it would make sense to have nolva for FIRST cycle in case you can not stand the sides..


I personally take both, but i do not frontload my clomid and take it at a low dose through out pct. there are more reasons, for nolva over clomid but those are the biggies as I see it..
littleb

Ok, here's my not-so-professional opinion, thouh I've been in this game for some years now so I'm far from a newbie.... nolva and clomid is OVERKILL for most any cycle, plus one is BEGGING for side effects. Using both should be no more effective than using one or the other. Clomid is preferrable for most people because it works, but true it has its side effects. At the minimum dosage of 50mg ED, and no frontloading, the sides should also be minimized. Nolva also has its sides however... not only was it not as effective for me as clomid, but it KILLED my libido.

Regarding the AI, it comes down to necessity and personal preference. I used adex for my first few cycles, up to 1mg ED, and it didn't work for me. I typically run aromasin now at a low dosage of 12.5mg ED. He can try adex, say starting at 0.5mg ED and play with the dosage until he finds the right one. He can do the same with aromasin. The nice thing about aromasin is that it doesn't screw up lipids like adex or letro do.

 

[xrsist]

but everyone still gives advice to use 500mg a week for a first time user?? its not nessesary if your training hard, eating everything, drinking plenty of water and getting plenty of sleep. my first cycle was 250mg sust a week for 10 with no sides, i gained 8kgs and kept them all using clomid only.....

 

[njmuscleguy]

but everyone still gives advice to use 500mg a week for a first time user?? its not nessesary if your training hard, eating everything, drinking plenty of water and getting plenty of sleep. my first cycle was 250mg sust a week for 10 with no sides, i gained 8kgs and kept them all using clomid only.....

Since most guys' test dosage hovers around 500-750mg, alot of newbies will start at the low end of that range as well. Hey, it works. But then again, if it is a first cycle, with proper diet and training, the beginner can stand to make some pretty nice gains with a conservative 250mg.

 

[littleb]

I do not think nolva and clomid is overkill, thats my opinion though.. niether actually stops estrogin, just blocks receptor.. and nolva mg-mg is stronger.. thats more then likly why it killed your libedo, less estro=less libedo..
i just do not like clomid alone at dose it needs to be used at for effective pct.... too many sides I never even mentioned the eye damage it may cause....

Not trying to start a debate or ruffle feathers, just my opinions..

as far as adex aromison part, same reasoning aromison will lower estro more effective i agree-- but you need estro in system at this time, concept being you are still anabolic still have lots of test in you, as opposed to while on pct.. when test levels low..


I am sry so sloppy and mis spelled, i will write more later, I am just rushing as i have an appt. in 10 minutes..

 

[njmuscleguy]

I do not think nolva and clomid is overkill, thats my opinion though.. niether actually stops estrogin, just blocks receptor.. and nolva mg-mg is stronger.. thats more then likly why it killed your libedo, less estro=less libedo..
i just do not like clomid alone at dose it needs to be used at for effective pct.... too many sides I never even mentioned the eye damage it may cause....

Not trying to start a debate or ruffle feathers, just my opinions..

as far as adex aromison part, same reasoning aromison will lower estro more effective i agree-- but you need estro in system at this time, concept being you are still anabolic still have lots of test in you, as opposed to while on pct.. when test levels low..


I am sry so sloppy and mis spelled, i will write more later, I am just rushing as i have an appt. in 10 minutes..

Hey, it's a healthy debate dude, no worries.... and everyone is different...

Plain and simple, nolva didn't work for me... and its sides were just as unfavorable as clomid, just different... Clomid is more tried and true for PCT, with alot more anecdotal support... if you can deal with the sides (if you get them even), then it works nicely.

As for aromasin vs adex... yes, aromasin is more effective in battling estrogen, that's why I run a lower comparative dosage than you would of adex. I never have total estrogen suppression with a low dosage of aromasin.

 

[littleb]

Hey, it's a healthy debate dude, no worries.... and everyone is different...

Plain and simple, nolva didn't work for me... and its sides were just as unfavorable as clomid, just different... Clomid is more tried and true for PCT, with alot more anecdotal support... if you can deal with the sides (if you get them even), then it works nicely.

As for aromasin vs adex... yes, aromasin is more effective in battling estrogen, that's why I run a lower comparative dosage than you would of adex. I never have total estrogen suppression with a low dosage of aromasin.

I hear you bro, I was just not trying to get into a pissing match, meaning argue for the point of argueing,, too much of that on here these days lol

I completly get where you are coming from, you found what works well for you and i do understand that..

I personally use aromasin now myself as my cycles are bigger/longer, and i have found the right dose that works well for me.. and it was not easy as i get mine in capsule form 20mg...
I suggested adex to him for a few basic reasons one being with his cycle trying to dose aromasin properly can be a pain {especially if you are new to this} and if you over dose say goodnight pecker cause he wont want to come out to play for a while, nor will you for that matter.
more room for error with adex

Second reason is simple price, aromasin is most of the time more$$ I am not sure of ag guys, but in general it will cost more then adex.

The nolva clomid battle, we can go back and forth all day long lol, because I know you from on the board ,and know that you do know your stuff..

The reason i said nolva, or nolva small dose clomid, is basically side effects, I dont want him to have just clomid on hand and find out the sides are too much too handle,, then his pct is gonna be rough..

I have done clomid only pct, and nolva only, now my pct is hcg with nolva for first week-- then 50mg clomid and 20-40 nolva a day... that is what works great for me.

I accept the fact we all respond different to different compounds/products actually i preach it lol -- but that is why IMO it would be best for him to have both, I do not feel both together are overkill if you lower the clomid dose. they generally work the same, but each has its plus sides nolva's mainly being its stronger and actually good for lipid profiles. clomids being its time proven and you cant ever forget the loads you can shoot on clomid lol

But that is why i gave my advice... I respect nj as i have never seen you give bad advice, we can disagree, but i wanted to tell where i was coming from and not start a fight for the sake of fighting.. too much of that on ef these days.. I am more then happy to have a friendly debate, as i still have a lot to learn myself... So thank you for being a gentleman NJ and keeping the board the way it should be..
littleb

 

[xrsist]

Since most guys' test dosage hovers around 500-750mg, alot of newbies will start at the low end of that range as well. Hey, it works. But then again, if it is a first cycle, with proper diet and training, the beginner can stand to make some pretty nice gains with a conservative 250mg.

alot of newbies will go with 500mg a week due to the fact thats all you pretty much hear nowa days bro. where as 250mg a week for a first time user is fine with proper diet and training. using less means less sides, less frequent injections, perfect for a newbie

 

[al420]

alot of newbies will go with 500mg a week due to the fact thats all you pretty much hear nowa days bro. where as 250mg a week for a first time user is fine with proper diet and training. using less means less sides, less frequent injections, perfect for a newbie

Assuming the users blood levels are decent - if they are already below normal production then 250 may not do the trick.

I say get your blood work done, then come see us again - best advice is always given when all variables are taken into consideration. IMO.