Once and for all - What is the best testosterone drug?

[Immortal Juicer]

With all the different opinions, I want to see exactly what the majority thinks is the best test product available.

Vote, and then justify your response if you like.

Thanks, bros!

 

[Nelson Montana]

One and for all: THEY'RE ALL THE SAME.


The only difference with sus and omna, is the release time, which some people prefer, others don't. Other than that, there is absolutely no difference.

 

[pin cuishon]

i think sus is the best. it seems to be the best combo of testosterone esters. also, omnadren will make you retain more water than sus, as i found out last cycle.

 

[Immortal Juicer]

One and for all: THEY'RE ALL THE SAME.


The only difference with sus and omna, is the release time, which some people prefer, others don't. Other than that, there is absolutely no difference.

No they are not! YES testosterone is testosterone, but suspension is a hell of alot different than Sustanon. The esters make the difference. Of course the difference is the time release of the esters - thats the point of this poll!

Who do you write for now? MM? j/k

 

[Miracle Man]

Testoviron Depot I turn to all the time. Love the long acting properties it has, better than regulat test and it's of the highest quality out there.

 

[gimp]

I know, I know.....TEST IS TEST......in theory, but, not in reality. Look, try doing 500mg of PROP and compare it to OMNA...it's not the same. I can only speak from my experience, but, strength increases from PROP are more significant for me as compared to any other test. I gain more weight on Prop etc....Fact is that everybody has their favourite test which is based on how they personally react to it. Test is Test, but, esters make a HUGE difference, if they didn't then there would be no reason to produce so many different ones.

 

[Silent Method]

Yeah, test is test. But the different esters and combo's available give users a choice of how to employ test as a tool.

Asking which test is best is like asking which fruit is best. It's a subjective opinion.

 

[Nelson Montana]

So the question really should be; "What method of administration do you prefer?"

In that case, I'd go with sus. But it's possible to combine prop and cyp and space out the injections so it has the same effect. But once it's in the bloodstream doing its thing, they're all the same.

I wouldn't say the comparison to fruit was analogous. It's more like asking, "Do you prefer Cherrios in the big box or the individual servings?

 

[HULKSTER]

What is the best test product out there whether it's taken orally or by the patch? NO NEEDLES!! I HATE INJECTABLES!!

 

[British Bulldog]

IMO, test is test.

 

[3plates]

test is not test

PROP works best with me no water retention, fast results and clean gains.

 

[Mad Max]

Test may be test wheather its sust or prop but I react COMPLETELY different o each one. I have to go for the ICN's those things are just beutiful for what they do to me. I grow like no other on those. I can't wait to up the dose on my next cycle and throw in some liquedex.
---PEACE---Mad Max

 

[doublebicep]

So the question really should be; "What method of administration do you prefer?"

In that case, I'd go with sus. But it's possible to combine prop and cyp and space out the injections so it has the same effect. But once it's in the bloodstream doing its thing, they're all the same.

I wouldn't say the comparison to fruit was analogous. It's more like asking, "Do you prefer Cherrios in the big box or the individual servings?

Which method of admin is best over all? Sustanon 250

 

[Zoomster]

So the question really should be; "What method of administration do you prefer?"

In that case, I'd go with sus. But it's possible to combine prop and cyp and space out the injections so it has the same effect. But once it's in the bloodstream doing its thing, they're all the same.

I wouldn't say the comparison to fruit was analogous. It's more like asking, "Do you prefer Cherrios in the big box or the individual servings?

He is right.

 

[gtaman]

ICN Galenika because:

- a bit thick, but unlikely to be fake

- often overdosed

- no pain

 

[MikeyG]

ICN Galenika because:

- a bit thick, but unlikely to be fake

- often overdosed

- no pain

I SECOND THAT!

 

[Silent Method]

So the question really should be; "What method of administration do you prefer?"

Exactly.

I wouldn't say the comparison to fruit was analogous. It's more like asking, "Do you prefer Cherrios in the big box or the individual servings?

My comparison to fruit was ment to imply preference - not comparative nutritional value.

 

[ZeroCool]

I ama personal fan of Upjohn Cypionate 200mg. It is human grade test that is made is very sanitary US labs and is always dosed just how it is supposed. It is a little hard to get but you can always tell the original bottle because the bottles are stamed and the boxes are sealed. Chances are if you get the Upjohn Test. is was probably smuggled out of a hospital. The labels even have the experation stamped into the label and once again it is a sanitary product that is manafactured here in the United States so I always know the quality is up to par. The labs have been in business for a long time and Upjohn has an excellent reputation for it's products quality!

ZC.

 

[blingbling211]

Sustanon 250.. Sostenon Redi-jects to be more specific

 

[Immortal Juicer]

Here are some interesting opinions

Here is a graph courtesy of Andy13 that illustrates Enanthate and Sus are pretty much equal.

Remember I wasnt arguing over the best ester, the best drug - and for that, ICNS all the way.

This is a great graph, check it out, bros.


Alot of you remember this, its definately an interesting way to look at Sus. It was posted by dissto:

The proper use of Sustanon in a cycle by Squatdemon

One of the most misunderstood ideals when it comes to Sustanon is how to properly use it in a cycle. There is no wrong way, but there is a best way to administer proper dosages so you can fully benefit from the esters in Sustanon. Sustanon was developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because of the mix of esters most patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels balanced. Because of this design, the bodybuilder will not receive proper doseages at once or twice a week injections. Your blood levels will fluctuate up and down continuously, which is not what you want while on a cycle. You want stable levels to give your body the best chance it can have to build plenty of muscle. All test is the same, but only once the ester is removed. People that say test is test are wrong unless you are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had plenty of different results from the different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have too. The secret to making sus work correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do not fluctuate.
I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters: 30mg of prop 60mg of phenylprop 60mg of isocaproate 100mg of deconate Combined to give you 250mg. Now everyone knows for themselves how much test they should take due to previous cycles or no cycles at all. Let's take each ester and see how long they will stay active in the body.
30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benefits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now let's say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week.
60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, *******'s powder). If injected twice a week, then let's even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week.
To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system. If you ask me that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to supress the axis, and that is about all you will have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week. Now let's look at the longer acting esters in sus.
60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time.
100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Deca-Durabolin. The deconate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3. This ester was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the quicker acting esters used in sustanon.
If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless. Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only relatively high for about 2-3 weeks. Call me crazy, but that is not at all what I want in a cycle. Every test cycle should be started high to hit those receptors hard, and I don't even taper at the end (but that is a different story).
The numbers that BIGDAWG and I worked on basically show that your test levels will never at one time be stable for more that a couple of weeks. Why do you think that people say they have less bloat on sus and less sides. There is so little of the short acting test in your system at one time that it is impossible to get any bloat or side effects at all. So you ask, well what is the best way to take sus then? First, I would answer don't buy it. If you really want to use a 4 blend test then buy some of the old omna (not the new ones), they have more shorter acting tests in them and the blood levels will stay more equal. If you don't believe me, ask anyone that has used the old omna and they will tell you they got quite a bit of bloat from it. Reason being is the shorter acting esters in the omna build up your blood levels quicker, hence you have the bloat factor. If someone doesn't like my first answer, then I will give them a second, "inject the sus everyday or at the least every other day." I usually get the "wholly @#%$, that's crazy!!!" answer. I usually tell them back, no it's not crazy, it's science. The actual science of sus combined with a bodybuilder's needs equal injecting every day. People seem to forget about the esters and think they are injecting all of 1750mg each week and getting every mg of it. Trust me folks, I am not talking about injecting 7 amps a week for 10 weeks, I am suggesting injecting an amp a day for 3 weeks, and letting the esters do thier work after that. When you crunch the numbers, for the first two weeks you are really only getting the prop, phenylprop, and a little of the isocaproate. Maybe about 700-750 mg for the first two weeks, and for weeks after that when all of the isocaproate and deconate kick in you will stay aroung 600-800mg for weeks following the first couple. You have a perfect taper, if you are into that, and stable test levels. If you go to eod, it will vary a bit, but not enough to really make too much of a difference. Start off the cycle with 5 weeks of dbol while using the sus, and when you are done with the sustanon, then immediately start injecting two anabolics like eq and deca, or deca and primo/winny. This is a cycle that a lot of the pros are using called front end loading with an anabolic taper. I guinea pigged this idea when BIGDAWG and I were discussing it many months back, and damn it was a really good cycle. Not as good as 1000mg of aratest a week, but still a pretty good cycle. I have cycled sus/omna both ways, and trained relatively the same with the same kind of diet. The difference in the two cycles were like night and day, about a 15-17 pound difference, and two amps of omna a week was my first cycle too. You know, the one you are supposed to grow the most off of because of the virgin receptors. So test may be test, but you will not get the same results from every ester out there if you dont know how to time them. If you are thinking of a sus/omna cycle, give this a try. I promise you will not be disappointed, and you just may thank me and DAWG later......peace

I dont agree with all of it, but its interesting.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Good post IJ. However, I feel you're missing one very important point. You mention the impotance of having "even " levels of testosterone, but that is never really the case. Every time you take a shot, blood levels rise dramatically. Within days, it drops dramatically. So the best way to get "even" blood levels would be to take a small amount serveral times a day. Of course, this isn't practical. But that's essentially what sus does. It provides a more "even" release. When cyp drops down after 5 days, sus is still pretty even. So I manintain, that sus is superior, exactly for the reasons you are espousing.

 

[Immortal Juicer]

Good post IJ. However, I feel you're missing one very important point. You mention the impotance of having "even " levels of testosterone, but that is never really the case. Every time you take a shot, blood levels rise dramatically. Within days, it drops dramatically. So the best way to get "even" blood levels would be to take a small amount serveral times a day. Of course, this isn't practical. But that's essentially what sus does. It provides a more "even" release. When cyp drops down after 5 days, sus is still pretty even. So I manintain, that sus is superior, exactly for the reasons you are espousing.

The fast acting esters in Sus do provide a slightly higher initial peak the first day, but then Enanthate takes over as king test from day 5-25, at which they both pretty much leave your system evenly the last 7-10 days. Right on schedule for the next shot

According to the graph, Sus and Enanthate provide essentially the same amount of steady test levels.

ICN is still the king in my book. But comparing it to Sustanon isnt really fair since each ICN amp has about 1 and 1/3cc in it

Damn those overfilled amps.

 

[little chris]

Test is test the only real difference is that some tests are a little more painful to inject than others, i.e prop, sust and some tests aromatize a little stronger than others.

 

[blingbling211]

Chris I am gonna have to respectfully disagree with you.. Theres a very noticable difference in differents tests. For example, if I ran 500mg of sustanon for 8 weeks and 500mg of test suspension for 8 weeks, the results would be QUITE different. According to your theory, both tests would ellicit the same results which is not the case. just my 2 ccs.

 

[little chris]

Ok 211 there is difference but all be it a small one, like I said some tests (depending upon the person) aromatize alittle different. Suspension and prop have been considered the better or at least more popular tests to use if your gonna use a test during a cutting cycle. This is not to say people won't use enth or sust to cut but for some reason susp and prop don't aromatize as much as enth or cyp do and I'm sure more people will tell you that prop, susp, and sust are for some reason more painful to inject than cyp or enth are. Bottom line is that unless you are a serious bodybuilder and are competing at a high level most people taking a test get pretty much the same results. My partner (training partner) used sust and he put on good size but his ass was killing him so he switched to testoviron depot and put on close to the same amount of size as did he when he later used cyp, his exact words were " They all work great for me but from now on its testoviron or cyp cause sust hurts too much." I respect your opinion but there is very little difference in the results that tests produce.

 

[blingbling211]

I respect yours as well.. but the guys I have seen use test suspension at the gym and what many have said on here is that they put on quite a bit more water retention and fat with suspension.. on the other hand, sustanon usually makes one hold less water, at least it did for me anyways... but at any rate, all tests have their pros and cons and like you said, the avg. joe would be happy with any real testosterone no matter the ester.

 

[little chris]

I agree maybe it justs depends on the person taking it,their age,, and the dosage we should be takin into consideration on this topic and I think then we could evaluate what that person may achieve.

 

[little chris]

Oh and not to mention their diet and training program.

 

[HULKSTER]

T-250 from Jeff Summers at anabolics store.com You get just as much quality test as from sust, but it has a delivery system that makes it legal in the U.S. Also, due to an oversight they discovered and corrected, this oral test tablet is NON-TOXIC to the level. All you do is place the tab under your tongue and let it dissolve.

 

[Mad Max]

Mike- did you ever here "if it sounds to good to be true it probably is" well I think that applies to what your talking about. Unless its your product I don't know why your promoting it. If anything is as potent as injecting test that only has to be swallowed and isn't toxic come on we must not respect us to think we believe this.
---PEACE---Mad Max

 

[jakson]

I was just curious if Sust is so much better than other forms of test why is it cheaper? Compaired to Testoviron for example. I plan on using Testoviron in my next cycle for the test. For test i have used prop and sust in the past. I even preferred straight prop to sust? Why all the hype for sust it didn't strike me as all that impressive....

 

[nlischi]

I really have no choice ... I get whatever kind of testosterone my source can get me...

 

[kiakaha]

I don't know why everyone feels the need to ask this question, because it is all personal preference. It's kind of like asking what kind of girl is the hottest. And if you must know i like test prop, and petite girls 5'4 - 5'8 tops (have to be taller than them when they wear those huge fucking heels) with small waist and round ass. Don't really care about tits, but prefer b-c.

 

[Corleone]

T-250 from Jeff Summers at anabolics store.com You get just as much quality test as from sust, but it has a delivery system that makes it legal in the U.S. Also, due to an oversight they discovered and corrected, this oral test tablet is NON-TOXIC to the level. All you do is place the tab under your tongue and let it dissolve.

Summers is nothing but a scammer trying to profit on those naive enough to fall for his marketing. Sure. . . 7 times more anabolic than testosterone without aromotizing. . . you know why it doesn't aromotize? Because it's bullshit. Any product that causes your testosterone levels to raise will then cause your body to produce estrogen. If your body does not counter with increased estrogen production than how can it be significanly raising your test levels.

I hope no one's dumb enough to pay 120 bucks for that crap.

 

[Lift Chief]

T-250 from Jeff Summers at anabolics store.com You get just as much quality test as from sust, but it has a delivery system that makes it legal in the U.S. Also, due to an oversight they discovered and corrected, this oral test tablet is NON-TOXIC to the level. All you do is place the tab under your tongue and let it dissolve.

WTF

 

[CLOMIDCLOWN]

Originally posted by HULKSTER
T-250 from Jeff Summers at anabolics store.com You get just as much quality test as from sust, but it has a delivery system that makes it legal in the U.S. Also, due to an oversight they discovered and corrected, this oral test tablet is NON-TOXIC to the level. All you do is place the tab under your tongue and let it dissolve.

Not to mention that oral test. causes heart attacks!

 

[Goldprospector]

I have only used 3 different "types" which are Cyp, Enan, and Sust...I felt that I had far better results with the Sust...But that also could be because of Human grade sust versus UG Cyp and Enan.

 

[BLACKDOOG]

With all the different opinions, I want to see exactly what the majority thinks is the best test product available.

Vote, and then justify your response if you like.

Thanks, bros!

Test Suspension is the best. It is fast acting and will have you strong as a hoarse.

 

[ripper2]

chinese prop/susp blend.

 

[DIVISION]

Which method of admin is best over all? Sustanon 250

I agree with this.

Sustanon250... first, last & always......

DIV

 

[redneck77]

sos250 redi-jects!!!!

 

[BobbyBIGGS]

One and for all: THEY'RE ALL THE SAME.


The only difference with sus and omna, is the release time, which some people prefer, others don't. Other than that, there is absolutely no difference.

Just a question i thought that Sus and the newer Omnas were the same product?

 

[chordz]

Just a question i thought that Sus and the newer Omnas were the same product?

Bump that question

 

[poantrex]

As of 2000, omna and sust are the exact same. EXACT. SAME. THING.

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

Karachi Susta if I can get it... tried and true... many times.

If its not available. I'll use a Test from a nice eastern Canadian UG lab... I've always had good results with them: QFS, Orbit, & Syrus.

 

[BigGuns29]

No they are not! YES testosterone is testosterone, but suspension is a hell of alot different than Sustanon. The esters make the difference. Of course the difference is the time release of the esters - thats the point of this poll!

Who do you write for now? MM? j/k

Dude, all due respect both ways, but omnadren and sustanon are identical now. Have been for approx 2 years. Identical!!!

 

[Qphoton]

sustanon 250 then prop guys ...combo .....Mcdonald's criteria

 

[DIVISION]

Sustanon250



DIV

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I agree with this.

Sustanon250... first, last & always......

DIV

i gotta check that out

 

[solidspine]

Test is Test,
Simple and it is all the same,

But I still like Test E the best? Go figure

 

[eviction]

any kind of quality test prop to minimize the PCT guessing game, plus it is out of your system quicker.

 

[shortstack]

the "cream"

 

[Themachine01]

Omnadrens

 

[Dieselgoku23]

Summers is nothing but a scammer trying to profit on those naive enough to fall for his marketing. Sure. . . 7 times more anabolic than testosterone without aromotizing. . . you know why it doesn't aromotize? Because it's bullshit. Any product that causes your testosterone levels to raise will then cause your body to produce estrogen. If your body does not counter with increased estrogen production than how can it be significanly raising your test levels.

I hope no one's dumb enough to pay 120 bucks for that crap.

I have to disagree with you before I started taking any real gear, I took 2 M1T cycles and this stuff I gained 17lbs first cycle 12 in the second and it didnt aromatize whats so ever sooo......., but I prefer Test E maybe one day get the courage to use other Test and become a pin cushion!!

 

[sorerotators]

bump for more poll results and opinions

 

[stickme]

Re: Here are some interesting opinions

Here is a graph courtesy of Andy13 that illustrates Enanthate and Sus are pretty much equal.

Remember I wasnt arguing over the best ester, the best drug - and for that, ICNS all the way.

This is a great graph, check it out, bros.


Alot of you remember this, its definately an interesting way to look at Sus. It was posted by dissto:

The proper use of Sustanon in a cycle by Squatdemon

One of the most misunderstood ideals when it comes to Sustanon is how to properly use it in a cycle. There is no wrong way, but there is a best way to administer proper dosages so you can fully benefit from the esters in Sustanon. Sustanon was developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because of the mix of esters most patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels balanced. Because of this design, the bodybuilder will not receive proper doseages at once or twice a week injections. Your blood levels will fluctuate up and down continuously, which is not what you want while on a cycle. You want stable levels to give your body the best chance it can have to build plenty of muscle. All test is the same, but only once the ester is removed. People that say test is test are wrong unless you are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had plenty of different results from the different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have too. The secret to making sus work correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do not fluctuate.
I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters: 30mg of prop 60mg of phenylprop 60mg of isocaproate 100mg of deconate Combined to give you 250mg. Now everyone knows for themselves how much test they should take due to previous cycles or no cycles at all. Let's take each ester and see how long they will stay active in the body.
30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benefits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now let's say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week.
60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, *******'s powder). If injected twice a week, then let's even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week.
To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system. If you ask me that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to supress the axis, and that is about all you will have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week. Now let's look at the longer acting esters in sus.
60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time.
100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Deca-Durabolin. The deconate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3. This ester was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the quicker acting esters used in sustanon.
If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless. Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only relatively high for about 2-3 weeks. Call me crazy, but that is not at all what I want in a cycle. Every test cycle should be started high to hit those receptors hard, and I don't even taper at the end (but that is a different story).
The numbers that BIGDAWG and I worked on basically show that your test levels will never at one time be stable for more that a couple of weeks. Why do you think that people say they have less bloat on sus and less sides. There is so little of the short acting test in your system at one time that it is impossible to get any bloat or side effects at all. So you ask, well what is the best way to take sus then? First, I would answer don't buy it. If you really want to use a 4 blend test then buy some of the old omna (not the new ones), they have more shorter acting tests in them and the blood levels will stay more equal. If you don't believe me, ask anyone that has used the old omna and they will tell you they got quite a bit of bloat from it. Reason being is the shorter acting esters in the omna build up your blood levels quicker, hence you have the bloat factor. If someone doesn't like my first answer, then I will give them a second, "inject the sus everyday or at the least every other day." I usually get the "wholly @#%$, that's crazy!!!" answer. I usually tell them back, no it's not crazy, it's science. The actual science of sus combined with a bodybuilder's needs equal injecting every day. People seem to forget about the esters and think they are injecting all of 1750mg each week and getting every mg of it. Trust me folks, I am not talking about injecting 7 amps a week for 10 weeks, I am suggesting injecting an amp a day for 3 weeks, and letting the esters do thier work after that. When you crunch the numbers, for the first two weeks you are really only getting the prop, phenylprop, and a little of the isocaproate. Maybe about 700-750 mg for the first two weeks, and for weeks after that when all of the isocaproate and deconate kick in you will stay aroung 600-800mg for weeks following the first couple. You have a perfect taper, if you are into that, and stable test levels. If you go to eod, it will vary a bit, but not enough to really make too much of a difference. Start off the cycle with 5 weeks of dbol while using the sus, and when you are done with the sustanon, then immediately start injecting two anabolics like eq and deca, or deca and primo/winny. This is a cycle that a lot of the pros are using called front end loading with an anabolic taper. I guinea pigged this idea when BIGDAWG and I were discussing it many months back, and damn it was a really good cycle. Not as good as 1000mg of aratest a week, but still a pretty good cycle. I have cycled sus/omna both ways, and trained relatively the same with the same kind of diet. The difference in the two cycles were like night and day, about a 15-17 pound difference, and two amps of omna a week was my first cycle too. You know, the one you are supposed to grow the most off of because of the virgin receptors. So test may be test, but you will not get the same results from every ester out there if you dont know how to time them. If you are thinking of a sus/omna cycle, give this a try. I promise you will not be disappointed, and you just may thank me and DAWG later......peace

I dont agree with all of it, but its interesting.

Math is cool.
Thanks for the post, saved me the time to figure that out. Maybe that's why the sos seems to be watered down sometimes. With me about 4 or 5 hours after injecting I'm out their then I need to whate a few days before the rest kicks in to give me the next bang, then about the seventh day another bang.

Every day sounds like that would solve that problem until the long acting esters kicked in.

Thanks

 

[view]

I say enanthate/cyp simply because prop/susp fucking hurt to inject

 

[Eddy2]

Suspension is my favorite.

 

[fireflyer]

Re: Here are some interesting opinions

Math is cool.
Thanks for the post, saved me the time to figure that out. Maybe that's why the sos seems to be watered down sometimes. With me about 4 or 5 hours after injecting I'm out their then I need to whate a few days before the rest kicks in to give me the next bang, then about the seventh day another bang.

Every day sounds like that would solve that problem until the long acting esters kicked in.

Thanks

But that article is talking about injecting an amp a day for 3 weeks!!! Sure all the fast acting esters will come and go but all the time you're building up to a huge amount with the long acting. The longest has a two week half life. You could have over 2gs of acive test in yous system at the end????? Am I wrong on this?

 

[DIVISION]

Re: Here are some interesting opinions

But that article is talking about injecting an amp a day for 3 weeks!!! Sure all the fast acting esters will come and go but all the time you're building up to a huge amount with the long acting. The longest has a two week half life. You could have over 2gs of acive test in yous system at the end????? Am I wrong on this?

Because of the esters you're gonna have peaks and valleys, nugga.

I don't know about 2G's of Test concentration at the end, but you've got the right idea. That's why people frontload Sustanon, to saturate the androgen receptors and prime them for the the max concentration of test that will come later with the longacting esters.



DIV

 

[IncestWhore]

I prefer Omnadren. It is the exact same as Sustanon, but almost half of the price. Price comes into the equation for me.

 

[ElMatador]

Galenika T.Enathate for me...

 

[Boston Strangler]

Wasn't another thread like this up earlier today??? I don't mind repeating them, but 2 in one day? WTF???? Sustenon 250

 

[galaxy]

Sustanon amps are my favorite. And this thread is old

 

[DIVISION]

Sustanon250.....the standard for Test blends.






DIV

 

[bicepts101]

prop if it didnt make me limp

 

[quadkilla31]

I like omandrens, but test is test.

 

[dark side]

First choice in terms of administration:

25mg Test Base + 50mg Test Propionate + 75mg Test Phenylpropionate + 60 Test Isocaproate + 70mg Test Cypionate + 80mg Test Enanthate + 110mg Test Decanoate + 130mg Test Undecanoate for a total of 600mg of test per ml/cc.

Foloowed by:

50 mg Testosterone Propionate + 75 mg Testosterone Phenylpropionate + 65 mg Testosterone Isocaproate + 75 mg Testosterone Cypionate + 85 mg Testosterone Enanthate + 115 mg Testosterone Decanoate + 135 mg Testosterone Undecanoate for a total of 500mg per ml/cc.

As for normal injecting, 50mg Test Base + 100mg Test Propionate + 150mg Test Phenylpropionate 300mg per ml/cc, this is one of my favs.

 

[chyllaxyn]

yea I agree DIV, my only experience is with Omna , same thing.
It was great ,
but I'll have something to compare very soon,
Cycle #2 in June Test E kicked off with a little dbol.

 

[gymratforlife]

Ill let you know after Im done with this sust cycle.

 

[big_boy_1]

With all the different opinions, I want to see exactly what the majority thinks is the best test product available.

Vote, and then justify your response if you like.

Thanks, bros!

Depends how often you inject

If you inject many times daily, suspension is the choice
daily, propionate
eod, sustanon
2x week or once a week enanthate.

 

[flyingjer]

Depends how often you inject

If you inject many times daily, suspension is the choice
daily, propionate
eod, sustanon
2x week or once a week enanthate.

yeah i agree with you, depends on how many times you want to inject, but i see it a little funny that 2, 3 years ago people thought strongly that sustanon or a blend is hte best, but now, most people think that prop or enanthate are the best, go figure

also, just to throw in there, i am about to go on long esters, enanthates for test and tren, as i have only done short, prop and acetate, bfore,i will give a full comparison on how i feel about them after cycle, or even during for that matter

 

[southeastar]

id go for testoviron or prop.i think shering its the best test brand on the market.

 

[Loths]

I say TESTO ENANTETA.. MAN... the PUMPS, the long Plasma life.. My first strecth mark were from it... truly amanzing. Know, for quality... Primo!

 

[nails]

sustanon for me

 

[Beachboy6294]

Sust 250 has always been my favorite!!

 

[itlnstln]

which ever one is free

 

[hardrock]

I'm pretty happy with the prop/cyp mix I've been using.

 

[d_o_c_]

Whatever one works for you, the individual, is the best. Everyone is different.

 

[whitemahon]

i personally prefer karachi sus. durateston also kicks ass.

due to the different weight of esters, there is a subtle difference in total test, mg for mg.

 

[Castro_bigdog]

If you like sust then you hate it as much as you love it becouse, even by its self after 12 to 15 weeks you look jacked but so is your glute LOL...

 

[scout69]

I Like SuS

 

[gymratforlife]

none of them lol,my prostate cant take that stuff.Neither can my hair line.

 

[digit0x]

What is the best test product out there whether it's taken orally or by the patch? NO NEEDLES!! I HATE INJECTABLES!!

you're just pussyfooting until you man up and stab yourself with a 1.5" needle and take it like a man!

 

[digit0x]

Re: Here are some interesting opinions

Here is a graph courtesy of Andy13 that illustrates Enanthate and Sus are pretty much equal.

Remember I wasnt arguing over the best ester, the best drug - and for that, ICNS all the way.

This is a great graph, check it out, bros.

.

wheres the graph?

 

[USHP]

I know after awhile even I want to scream when I here test is test but take away the esters from each test product and that's what you have.

I like sust and omna as I do very well on them but I find my self using more than I planned at times during those cycles because I feel peaks and valleys that I didn't plan on as I felt like my levels were fluctuating too much as I can never seem to get it right.

I make great gains on susp and the shots don't usually bother me but to keep levels relatively even it's 2 shots/day for me and sometimes I feel like I should do 3. Imagine an 8 week cycle doing shots 3x/day 7 days/wk x 8 weeks. 168 pokes in 8 weeks for just 1 compound.

Cyp and Enan can be balanced easily if you do the math and you can start with some prop. But a prop that doesn't make me limp is easiest for me. I figure weekly dosage divide by 7 and do ed shots. Esters are around to balance release with the goal of keeping compound levels as even as possible. Doing the math and getting it right is the interesting part of cycle planning. Some good reads in this thread.

 

[digit0x]

I Like SuS

I like sus.

 

[Castro_bigdog]

Sust 300

 

[jp000]

I like to get mine right from the source.

Bull testicles - 2 balls, three times daily.

 

[bicepts101]

i hate this thread

 

[GoldenDelicious]

it depends what you want to do.

this thread is like asking how long the best piece of string is.

 

[billino32]

With all the different opinions, I want to see exactly what the majority thinks is the best test product available.

Vote, and then justify your response if you like.

Thanks, bros!

test cyp has worked very well for me!

 

[mr.nitrofish]

i hate this thread

why did you bump it up then?

 

[ProtienFiend]

QV Test E.

 

[jagerbombme]

Propionate

 

[solidspine]

[[/QUOTE] I can only speak from my experience, but, strength increases from PROP are more significant for me as compared to any other test. I gain more weight on Prop etc....Fact is that everybody has their favourite test which is based on how they personally react

Very simple you need more experience, Test E kicks in, in about 3 weeks, after the 4 the week, there is no difference between suspension and Test E.

Sorry, Test is Test

 

[organon250]

any single ester test the multi esters give me more acne for some reason.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I think you get the best bang for your buck with Omna. Plus it's human grade.

 

[black10]

i love enanthate as the long ester, but prop is my favorite fast in and fast out.omna and sus swell me up like the michelin man and i prefer beauty to size as i realize i can't nor do i want to be as big as the pros. my 2ct

 

[perryscoon]

test is test. End results are the same but test-p is the my fav since it kicks in fast as hell.