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On Line courses/degrees

Razorguns said:
they're worthless on resumes. i chuck resumes that list 'online degrees'. trust me. i'd rather someone not have anything, but can demonstrate how to do the job.

r
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Do you EVER have anything other than negativity spew out of your fingertips. Most of it is hilarious, yet I still see it as a deep rooted problem.
 
I have taken University courses full time, part-time, and 'distance learning' with the Open University.

I highly rate the open university, I found their classes well organised and interesting.

There were still tutorials you could attend in person, and some classes required one week residentials (research courses).

The exams also required that you sat your exams in the traditional fashion.
 
Unfortunately, though online courses and degrees can be just as time consuming, they aren't generally as credible. I go to the University of Phoenix, and I actually go to campus, but find that people think my school is a joke...
 
OU courses are recognised in the UK.

For example, I know that I was taking psychology courses to 'convert' one of my degrees, and their psychology degree is recognised by the British Psychological Society, which is required if you want to do a master's degree to become a clinical psychologist.
 
Four years ago, I did part of my PMAC (purchasing degree) on line. The course is an exact equiv to going to class and the degree is just as respected.
I know I did more work on line than my coworker did in the class.
There are some schoosl for certain degrees that are not accessible to some.
 
blueta2 said:
Is anyone taking any?
Tougher or easier to take a class this way?

I read about this 10 yr old who got a vet assistant degree on line

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/575199/10yearold_courtney_oliver_becomes_a.html


your thoughts about on line degrees?
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On the tough/easy thing, there was FAR more reading with distance learning, and far more essays/coursework.

One of the young men in my lab is doing maths right now with OU, and he is always doing his 'homework'.

There are some things that may be a lot more difficult, for example, I found the stats easy as I already knew how to do them.

The books/software were excellent in explaining statistics (I was really impressed to be honest) but I do think a lot of the other students found it quite challenging.
 
RachelEFC said:
Unfortunately, though online courses and degrees can be just as time consuming, they aren't generally as credible. I go to the University of Phoenix, and I actually go to campus, but find that people think my school is a joke...
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It is just as time consuming if not more, I agree.
 
You're better off attending a brick and mortar university and take online classes from them whenever possible.

Online degrees are definitely better than nothing though...
 
Razorguns said:
they're worthless on resumes. i chuck resumes that list 'online degrees'. trust me. i'd rather someone not have anything, but can demonstrate how to do the job.

r
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how come? Why would you not think on line courses would not be as credible?
 
blueta2 said:
how come? Why would you not think on line courses would not be as credible?
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For one, there is no working in teams experience. Most business degrees are heavily focused on this. No presentations, public speaking, etc.

I think online classes are great - to get general education classes out of the way before you get into your major classes.

Some technical jobs are fine, too...like software engineer, accountant, stuff like that. It really just depends on what your goal is.
 
chewyxrage said:
For one, there is no working in teams experience. Most business degrees are heavily focused on this. No presentations, public speaking, etc.

I think online classes are great - to get general education classes out of the way before you get into your major classes.

Some technical jobs are fine, too...like software engineer, accountant, stuff like that. It really just depends on what your goal is.
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Totally true about no team experience. If you're a young person and never worked, that would be applicable more than someone who's been in the work force for over 10-20-30 yrs and has the team work experience.
I guess it would have to depend on which program one would be interested in learning

If I didn't work full time, I would want to go to school (in class) full time
 
chewyxrage said:
You're better off attending a brick and mortar university and take online classes from them whenever possible.

Online degrees are definitely better than nothing though...
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+1. A lot of military people are in my Univ of Phoenix classes. I did two years at a brick school before that so I'm not sweating the value of my education one bit. I take a class at a local community college anytime I find one that will transfer. It's much cheaper.
 
blueta2 said:
Totally true about no team experience. If you're a young person and never worked, that would be applicable more than someone who's been in the work force for over 10-20-30 yrs and has the team work experience.
I guess it would have to depend on which program one would be interested in learning

If I didn't work full time, I would want to go to school (in class) full time
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Agreed. Experience is key, if you have that than an online degree is just icing on the cake.

If you're working full time but still want to continue education (& $$$), many people get their MBA part time or on the weekends for a couple years.

I'm considering this probably in about 5 years. Need to save some money up first :)
 
chewyxrage said:
Agreed. Experience is key, if you have that than an online degree is just icing on the cake.

If you're working full time but still want to continue education (& $$$), many people get their MBA part time or on the weekends for a couple years.

I'm considering this probably in about 5 years. Need to save some money up first :)
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I can't even imagine working all week and then going to school at nights and weekend. Ugh......I'm too old for that...haha!
If I wanted to continue my education, I'm lucky enough to live in a country where education cost less than a year of groceries for some.
 
ortiz34 said:
Do you EVER have anything other than negativity spew out of your fingertips. Most of it is hilarious, yet I still see it as a deep rooted problem.
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cuz i see nothing but brainwashed opinions on so many topics (women, iraq, capitalism, race) so someoine's gotta destroy that public school inspired, cnn-helped brainwashing.

in halo3 forums, i love all :)

r
 
blueta2 said:
how come? Why would you not think on line courses would not be as credible?
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Would you want your doctor to have a medical degree from WebMD University?

If I have a position in my company that requires a degree, i'm picking a person with a 4-year in-person degree than an online one. At least I know he busted his ass off the couch every morning, drove, and took a class. He has the resolve and dedication to start and complete something. That's a quality I need. Plus I have a brick & mortar degree. I respect my own kind.

If it's not a degree position - i couldn't care less. Ditto if it's a job that doesn't require working with others.

In that case - shock me with everything you know. Who cares about that accreditation.

Also how you gonna verify that person didn't cheat on his exams/papers? Or if it was even that person who got that degree in the first place!

I had a former co-worker who'd get your Microsoft certifications for you if you paid him. He'd do all the work, you get the paper.

Pay me $500, i'll get you adobe certified in premiere, photoshop, after effects, etc.

I'd be embarassed to walk into Microsoft to apply for a $85k position, with an online degree on my resume. I know i'd be grilled like fuck during the interview.

IF I got an interview. In a competitive field, bad job market - forget about it.

r
 
Razorguns said:
Would you want your doctor to have a medical degree from WebMD University?

If I have a position in my company that requires a degree, i'm picking a person with a 4-year in-person degree than an online one. At least I know he busted his ass off the couch every morning, drove, and took a class. He has the resolve and dedication to start and complete something. That's a quality I need.

If it's not a degree position - i couldn't care less. Ditto if it's a job that doesn't require working with others.

In that case - shock me with everything you know. Who cares about that accreditation.

Also how you gonna verify that person didn't cheat on his exams/papers? Or if it was even that person who got that degree in the first place!

I had a former co-worker who'd get your Microsoft certifications for you if you paid him. He'd do all the work, you get the paper.

Pay me $500, i'll get you adobe certified in premiere, photoshop, after effects, etc.

I'd be embarassed to walk into Microsoft to apply for a $85k position, with an online degree on my resume. I know i'd be grilled like fuck during the interview.

IF I got an interview. In a competitive field, bad job market - forget about it.

r
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all valid point. I guess you can get anyone to do your online course and write your exams for you. Not sure why anyone would do that cept to just get a degree they don't care about.
Most adults wanting to get an education or to extent their education won't cheat because they actually want to learn and or do the work.

As for me wanting a dr with an on line degree...No, I would not, but if he/she wanted to add some other courses to improve their knowledge and did it on line, I would be cool with that.

Also adults who want to continue their education or get a degree and work full time, are already busting their asses getting up daily and driving to work, taking care of family and kids and yet continue their education on nights and or weekend.

You made good points though
 
I would never hire anyone with an online degree, however online courses, in part, of their full degree I would take a look.
 
Razorguns said:
Would you want your doctor to have a medical degree from WebMD University?
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Ridiculous comparison. Most companies that claim to 'require a degree' simply require that you have one, not that it's in some specific field. I used to work with a very successful stockbroker that majored in Religious Studies; another that majored in English.


Razorguns said:
If I have a position in my company that requires a degree, i'm picking a person with a 4-year in-person degree than an online one. At least I know he busted his ass off the couch every morning, drove, and took a class. He has the resolve and dedication to start and complete something. That's a quality I need. Plus I have a brick & mortar degree. I respect my own kind.
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Well, if you can't respect someone that goes to school online while holding down a full-time job and possibly supporting a family as much as you would some single guy that drunk his way thru school on daddy's dime while trading term papers with his frat brothers I'd question whether you should be responsible for hiring anyone at all.
 
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Dial_tone said:
Ridiculous comparison. Most companies that claim to 'require a degree' simply require that you have one, not that it's in some specific field. I used to work with a very successful stockbroker that majored in Religious Studies; another that majored in English.



Well, if you can't respect someone that goes to school online while holding down a full-time job and possibly supporting a family as much as you would some single guy that drunk his way thru school on daddy's dime while trading term papers with his frat brothers I'd question whether you should be responsible for hiring anyone at all.
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You're serious. You'd get your heart operated on by a doctor with a degree from WebMd?

As for what I want - as an Employer, *I* can decide what I want. And I'm not gonna take the time to verify if you really were the one who got that degree, and if you work well with others. That's not my job. I got stuff to do.

Getting a job is competition. In certain fields, it can be competitive. And if you want to take shortcuts, easy ways in - well, good luck trying to get those $90k jobs. I laugh at people who get 'management degrees' online. lol. Managing requires interacting with *people*, not computers.

I don't care about someone 'supporting a family'. I'm here to make a profit and hire the best skilled people to do that. (And btw: "Going the extra mile, and staying past 5pm" is what gets you up in the corporate world sir.)

And with your own neck on the line if u hire the wrong person - a person from UCLA or Yale trumps someone from AmericanUniversity.com

And this is not my opinion. Corporate America has spoken. So if corporate america gives no merit to online degrees, why someone would waste their time on them - beats me.

Online courses are fine. But you need that 4 year degree as your root.

r
 
Bini, DT - what programs are you taking?

Others - there are some online degrees that are pretty worthless. I mean you are not going to learn the full extent or assimilate some of the material unless you are there to go over it in perosn.
 
unfortunately, it has become a trend in almost all tier schools, those with "in person" degrees will have an edge in the future.
 
Here is a secret that you probably don't know about. When I was in college at Emory, I would take transfer classes at other schools during the summer. And not a SINGLE school I went to (4) would ever dare to fail me.

So just attending school in person doesn't gurantee that the person knows the material. Because I got full time credit for only showing up once or twice the whole summer in colleges simply because they didn't want to screw with Emory and risk jeapordizing their exchange program which was more valueable to them than it was to us.
 
AAP said:
Bini, DT - what programs are you taking?.
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Getting a B.S. in Information Technology. I have three years at a brick school but I changed majors so a year's credits didn't transfer. I've got ten years experience, an MCSE and a CCNA so I seriously doubt anyone is going to write me off because I finished my degree online.

Razorguns said:
You're serious. You'd get your heart operated on by a doctor with a degree from WebMd?
r
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It's a ridiculous comparison because a doctor with an online degree would never get a residency to begin with. You can't get a medical degree from WebMD.


Is an online degree as valuable as a brick degree? Probably not but it's fairly close if you mix it with in-class education. Is it better than no degree? Absolutely.

Most people that earn degrees online already have jobs. That's why they don't have time for traditional learning to begin with. They're getting a degree because they need it to go higher up in the company they're already at. Their pay jumps will be smaller than those are switching companies.
 
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