Omfg

[PeterPelco]

bros - today i decided to try something crazy, well to some it is crazy, but it is chest day and i am on test, eq, and var....i had some tbol laying around and decided to get a nice pump today (more than usual)

i took 160mg of var and 60mg of tbol and i must say i never in my life seen my body be as pumped as this.....i look like a professional BB'er.....

galaxy, bro, omg....fuckin insane....

i do not understand why people take 40-50mg ed of var when the magic is above 100mg ed.....i dont get it....

 

[drdug27]

bros - today i decided to try something crazy, well to some it is crazy, but it is chest day and i am on test, eq, and var....i had some tbol laying around and decided to get a nice pump today (more than usual)

i took 160mg of var and 60mg of tbol and i must say i never in my life seen my body be as pumped as this.....i look like a professional BB'er.....

galaxy, bro, omg....fuckin insane....

i do not understand why people take 40-50mg ed of var when the magic is above 100mg ed.....i dont get it....

blood pressure and cholesterol

 

[ProtienFiend]

blood pressure and cholesterol

Liver and renal failure.

 

[1500]

i have intense kidney pain over 80mgs, unfuckingbearable, so i definitely cant do that dosage

 

[PeterPelco]

i must be lucky then because my BP is fine and my liver values are not that much higher than norm, i also take LIV52 and milk thistle when i take this much, but at this dose, 4 weeks max......

 

[Ulter]

bros - today i decided to try something crazy, well to some it is crazy, but it is chest day and i am on test, eq, and var....i had some tbol laying around and decided to get a nice pump today (more than usual)

i took 160mg of var and 60mg of tbol and i must say i never in my life seen my body be as pumped as this.....i look like a professional BB'er.....

galaxy, bro, omg....fuckin insane....

i do not understand why people take 40-50mg ed of var when the magic is above 100mg ed.....i dont get it....

For the same reason they do 300mg/wk of test for a first cycle when they should do 1000mg. They don't understand what the risk/reward ratio. There is no reason not to use 100mg/day of anavar, except cost. There is very little risk using more. In fact, there is no evidence there is any added risk. At least clinically proven. But I would suggest Tyler Liver Detox over what you're using. For sure.

 

[Vascular Freak]

bros - today i decided to try something crazy, well to some it is crazy, but it is chest day and i am on test, eq, and var....i had some tbol laying around and decided to get a nice pump today (more than usual)

i took 160mg of var and 60mg of tbol and i must say i never in my life seen my body be as pumped as this.....i look like a professional BB'er.....

galaxy, bro, omg....fuckin insane....

i do not understand why people take 40-50mg ed of var when the magic is above 100mg ed.....i dont get it....

Thats interesting for sure. I would however say that the reason most people don't use that high of a dose is because it increases sides no doubt and most people take a moderate/safer approach and are happy with the result from 40-60mg.

If you feel great on it then all the power to ya bro... no drop and give me 100... ah shit that would be a treat for you when your on var! LOL

 

[thezan]

For the same reason they do 300mg/wk of test for a first cycle when they should do 1000mg. They don't understand what the risk/reward ratio. There is no reason not to use 100mg/day of anavar, except cost. There is very little risk using more. In fact, there is no evidence there is any added risk. At least clinically proven. But I would suggest Tyler Liver Detox over what you're using. For sure.

With a compound like anavar-known to be able to keep gains- i could see someone running higher doses of var (also keeping in mind adverse/toxic affects when running higher doses). However, when it comes to test-not known for keepable gains, especially with first timers (diet, training, age)- shouldn't the individual stick to lower doses to see how their body's react to this drug? I understand that no cycle is like your first (meaning your receptors are fresh and you will grow tons), but i figure for keepable gains- weight should be gained slower so the body can get use to its new mass. And what i i mean by this, i guess i mean by what they should be doing.....meh could be wrong

 

[Ulter]

Keepable gains has absolutely nothing to do with what you use to gain LBM. That's simply a myth that people who gain water and then lose it think is losing their gains.
You should use at least a gram of test your first cycle. Like you said, it's the only time you'll be a virgin and it's your best opportunity to grow. You'll never have another chance to grow so much. For 99% of the men cycling the sides of 1000mg using an AI are the same as using 300mg with an AI. And for the other 1% they aren't much different.
No, your body doesn't "need to get used to the new mass". YOU have to get used to it by training cautiously but your body will do just fine.

People come on this board and think that all the junk they heard from the "guys at the gym" is real. Anavar is not "toxic" at 100mg/day. There were clinical studies using 80mg/day 20 years ago. There were no toxic effects.

Most of the things you wrote there are not based in any science. They are merely someones rationalizations. But they don't apply because they aren't real.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

People come on this board and think that all the junk they heard from the "guys at the gym" is real. Anavar is not "toxic" at 100mg/day. There were clinical studies using 80mg/day 20 years ago. There were no toxic effects.

point of clarification: BTG and searle anavar are not particularly toxic at 100mg/day. The not entirely pure chinese material certainly can be. If you use powder or tabs, not made by a legitimate pharmaceutical manufacturer, invest the money in getting it tested for purity. Chinese material can test as low as 80% when it comes to oxandrolone. its a high cost and rather difficult synthesis, a place where the chinese have been known to cut corners.

 

[Ulter]

point of clarification: BTG and searle anavar are not particularly toxic at 100mg/day. The not entirely pure chinese material certainly can be. If you use powder or tabs, not made by a legitimate pharmaceutical manufacturer, invest the money in getting it tested for purity. Chinese material can test as low as 80% when it comes to oxandrolone. its a high cost and rather difficult synthesis, a place where the chinese have been known to cut corners.

You could apply that to most of what comes out of China untested. GH is not particularly easy to manufacture either.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

You could apply that to most of what comes out of China untested. GH is not particularly easy to manufacture either.

mainly for the high end and "new" stuff. they do have a lot of stuff "down". But when the cost of the material is high or the synthesis difficult (or perhaps not even really standard- as with new materials or many of the "designer steroids") then you are looking at issues of purity and quality.

 

[thezan]

Keepable gains has absolutely nothing to do with what you use to gain LBM. That's simply a myth that people who gain water and then lose it think is losing their gains.
You should use at least a gram of test your first cycle. Like you said, it's the only time you'll be a virgin and it's your best opportunity to grow. You'll never have another chance to grow so much. For 99% of the men cycling the sides of 1000mg using an AI are the same as using 300mg with an AI. And for the other 1% they aren't much different.
No, your body doesn't "need to get used to the new mass". YOU have to get used to it by training cautiously but your body will do just fine.

People come on this board and think that all the junk they heard from the "guys at the gym" is real. Anavar is not "toxic" at 100mg/day. There were clinical studies using 80mg/day 20 years ago. There were no toxic effects.

Most of the things you wrote there are not based in any science. They are merely someones rationalizations. But they don't apply because they aren't real.

My argument was geared toward a scientific direction which i did not mean it to be. I have not done much scientific research on keepable gains, mostly knowlegde of hearsay. I'll take a pshycosocial route....

My thoughts are also when first timers jump into the game it's pretty quick- especially new guys around here- and look for an easy quick fix. They will throw high levels of test around and will not concentrate on the main aspects:diet and training. Then when they come off gear, their high levels of test, which they depended on so much, drop. Then their weight goes later (Var would hold more gains then test in this situation would it not?)
Of course i agree with you and likely every one does scientifically, that your muscles will grow the most during your first cycle. I just dont think it's what all newbers should do. I'm not so worried about the sides of high doses of test and var (and i dont think i said var is toxic at 100, i meant they should keep in mind what toxic/adverse effects are-for any drug of that matter), I just think its the approach that newbies take when using high dosages of gear, they forget about the simple things.


Tons of bros have knowlege of AAS around here and you are among the top of em; I'm still have much learning. I enjoy reading all your posts and have learned tons. Maybe i just thought your statement was to bold: that people should use one gram of test the first time.

 

[thezan]

lol, i just read the post about keepable gains for the first time. Great timing thezan.....doh