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olympic lifting benefits?

rippedtrojan

rippedtrojan

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i just found out today that there is a contact for an olympic lifting club at my school. i am thinking of seeing if the club is active and maybe participating in it.

what sort of benefits would one see by changing training to primarily OL? is it possible to still get bigger while OL?
 
you will become more explosive and powerful.
you will become more athletic
you will get more girls.....girls love a big snatch
 
endpoint said:

you will get more girls.....girls love a big snatch
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:D

Speed
Power
Strength
functional muscle

The ability to throw the local pretty boy bodybuilder across the gym....priceless
 
hang power snatch is the easiest one to do

pull a bar from knee height all the way to full lockout using a wide grip. You'll have to use your legs, hips and lower back to do so. You can't cheat like in a power clean and use your upper body :)


Benefits? Big traps, explosive posterior chain, strong forearms, better jumping and sprinting acceleration. Improved testosterone release from what I have read. Anything you do after OL feels much lighter
 
hang power snatch is easy?????


is it basically hip drive and shrugging to get it up there? it seems so awkward for me. i picked up the clean way easier because i can bend my arms. plus i dont have tons of flexibility above my head. i guess a "pro" for learning that particular exercise.

did some power cleans and some hang cleans today. regular shrugs vs. power shrugs (my usual) but some nice push presses which were grueling. ugh!!! my shoulders are aching as we speak.

only problem i encountered was on my first set of cleans, my second pull was HARD and when i racked the bar....wham! on my collarbone. thats gonna leave a mark. heheheh.

but i love these exercises.
 
Well racking a power clean without spraining your wrist, bruising your chin/chest takes some skill you know :)

Its much easier to power a weight up overhead. And because its very difficult to exert much force with your arms and shoulder in the snatch, you learn the proper way to get the weight up by using lower back, hips, traps and legs. Althouth I admit having hit my head with the bar when I first power snatched a heavy weight :D
With the Clean, people tend to reverse curl the weight up, especially guys who are very strong

You do have to bend over more when Snatching. And literally heave the weight up. Its so fast well under 1 sec, that I don't have conscious control over how it gets up there. I pretty much shut my eyes and explode :) When you get it right the bar feels so light, its really awesome when you just time everything perfectly and then the next thing you know your arms are locked out above and your knees bent to absorb the impact. It is somewhat hard on the cuffs if your lacking in flexibility there

Otherwise try shoulder width grip snatch. They sorta feel like a cross between a clean and push press. You can't use much weight due to the distance you have to propel the bar, but its much easier to do than either the power clean or power snatch
You can just explode the bar up 3/4 and then press it up the rest of the way, you can feel it in your whole body from calves to neck, even your pecs, since your working both pull and push muscles.
I can't think of a more total body move than the clean grip power snatch/overhead press hybrid.
Great move for BBall players

Yeah OL are so much fun, good for releasing lots of aggro

You can get traps lie this - mine are getting there slowly but surely :)

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Hate to put OL down but you'll need knee replacement if you 'make it' in the sport. American OL is dead, the last gold was Paul Anderson and he had hip replacement. Stick with BB or powerlifting. That's not saying you won't benefit, your explosion and speed will be great but that's all.
 
DBCooper are you joking?
what is your involvement in the sport?
why will you need new knees and hips?
didnt paul powerlift at the end of his OL career (correct me if im wrong)
have you heard of shane hamman? (in regards to the USA lifting)

who cares if a country is shit at OL...there is more to the sport than that. Both CoolcolJ and myself live in australia.....we both have different outlooks on the lifts, but i tell you, i wouldnt mind going and representing my country and comming last at an olympics, masters or where ever....as long as i did the best i could do

both BB and powerlifting are just as bad for you.( you have never seen an injured powerlifter or BB?)

are you saying there are no personal benifits (like satisfaction of progression, the joy of competing) you can have fun with the sport without having to "make it" and who gives a shit if you dont "make it"
 
DBCooper said:
Hate to put OL down but you'll need knee replacement if you 'make it' in the sport. American OL is dead, the last gold was Paul Anderson and he had hip replacement. Stick with BB or powerlifting. That's not saying you won't benefit, your explosion and speed will be great but that's all.
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My grandmother has had both hips replaced, and I don't think she's ever done anything more than look at a gym in her life.

You'll need something to back yourself up if you want anyone to take you seriously.
 
Olympic lift are great for explosive strength and cordination. The only one I really incorporate into my workouts is the Clean and jerk because of the long range of motion.... it more suited to my goals, for leg and shouler drive...
 
I'm a powerlifter for one, and train with some ex OL'er, and the execution of the lifts is very hard on your joints,Paul lifted in everything including OL and he was the best at PL and OL, why do you think he could only Pl after OL? Shane Hammond was very good and then went to OL , and if you want to mention Mark Henry was through the roof at PL(900+dl) and he placed 16th at the Olympics. I will say it would be 'fun' to represent my country and sport but it's a competition not a game. Everyone in PL or BB can come back from injury but when have you seen someone come back in OL without being the exception? It's also OL fault for not promoting itself better, their still living off of Anderson and sticking with outdated training in the U.S.. And finally I'll post my numbers after the nationals in november, I bet I'll be easily within 100lbs of the top ten EVER in my weight class on my total, and this is my second nationals.
 
strongerthanall said:
Amen DB! OL is for guys who can't hack it anywhere else. It's all in the execution, no real strength there.
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1."amen?" where did you read in his statement that he was badmouthing OL'ing?

2. nice generalization, im sure the IOC feels the same way.

3. define strength. how does it apply to different lifts, you have yours, Olympic athletes have theirs....its apples and oranges. until you have done both your comments lack validity.
 
Strongmen are all "rejects" too...lol :)

B True
 
rippedtrojan said:


if they are rejects, they are rejects i wouldn't f*ck with.

hehe
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lol...I'm just a big baby though...ask Night Fly...

B True
 
C'mon guys, Oly lifting, powerlifting, and strongman aren't the same, so they shouldn't be treated as such. An olympic lifter may have trouble with a 500 pound bench press that a powerlifter could do, or a farmers walk that a strongman could do, but they may have trouble with a good snatch. Like bignate said, it's apples to oranges.
 
Who said anything about full Olympic Lifts where you catch the bar in the full squat position?
We are talking about lighter, and faster Hybrids where you catch the bar in a more upright position.

Well to move a 300-400+lbs bar that fast requires a heck a lot of strength. I've seen Olympic Lifters under 200lbs front squat ass to floor with 700-800lbs+ in a controlled descent. If that doesn't require a frigging strong set of legs, upper body and core I don't know what does. Heck not too many powerlifters could squat that to parallel using a ultra wide stance with the bar on their upper mid back ...while weighing under 200lbs...

That is one reason why some powerlifters make the tranisition to Olympic Lifting because they have built up a foundation of strength. You can't have power without strength, but you can have strength without power though.
For the same reason I have read about quite a few Olympic Lifters being able to deadlift 800+lbs because of their extensive explosive pulling from their Olympic Lifting Days. Explosive pulling always recruits fast twitch fibres - what better way to gain strength without killing yourself with heavy weights. If you can pull 405lbs explosively up to your chest, you can easily deadlift twice that slowly.
I can vouch for that from my own experience.

At least the Westside system acknowledges that aspect pretty well - speed builds power which then builds strength. Olympic lifts = fastest lifts.
 
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strongerthanall said:
Amen DB! OL is for guys who can't hack it anywhere else. It's all in the execution, no real strength there.
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so i take it if you learnt how to execute the lifts, you would be number one in the world?

or maybe you are the best OL in the world....but it got boring and too easy.

i understand, its an easy sport
 
DBCooper said:
I'm a powerlifter for one, and train with some ex OL'er, and the execution of the lifts is very hard on your joints,Paul lifted in everything including OL and he was the best at PL and OL, why do you think he could only Pl after OL? Shane Hammond was very good and then went to OL , and if you want to mention Mark Henry was through the roof at PL(900+dl) and he placed 16th at the Olympics. I will say it would be 'fun' to represent my country and sport but it's a competition not a game. Everyone in PL or BB can come back from injury but when have you seen someone come back in OL without being the exception? It's also OL fault for not promoting itself better, their still living off of Anderson and sticking with outdated training in the U.S.. And finally I'll post my numbers after the nationals in november, I bet I'll be easily within 100lbs of the top ten EVER in my weight class on my total, and this is my second nationals.
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From what i understand with paul, was that he gave up OL because he was the best and got sick of breaking his own records again and again.(i will check up on that)

yes OL is badly promoted. and from what i read the US still have a negative attitude about "were always gonna be second best to the soviets".
From the training i have read about in the US they dont train as often as the bulgarians or russians.

what weight class are you in DB? what federation? if you dont mind what are your openers?

just a note....anything is hard on your joints....if you do it wrong.

why do you even mention BB? Its not even in the same league as powerlifting or Olifting
 
And lets not forget the most powerful and explosive people in the world are throwers. Who combine powerlifting style limit strength with explosive olympic lifts in their training, while being able to propel their bodies very well despite being quite large and heavy!

Most of these guys sport 9+ feet standing long jumps and vertical jumps over 30 inches. And they are big strong people too! Some of their training poundages are right up there with the best in the world, even the woman are freaky strong and explosive.

They tend to use hybrid olympic lifts from the hang


That is pretty much how I model my own training - along the lines of the throwers.
 
endpoint....

I was just screwing around. Thought I would stir things up a bit. Sorry if I offended anyone. I have respect for all strength athletes not to mention athletes in general. OL is some crazy shit. I tried it and didn't care for it. I'm too big(I'm not bragging) and not that flexible. My hat is off to OL'ers.
 
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strongerthanall said:
I was just screwing around. Thought I would stir things up a bit. Sorry if I offended anyone. I have respect for all strength athletes not to mention athletes in general. OL is some crazy shit. I tried it and didn't care for it. I'm too big(I'm not bragging) and not that flexible. My hat is off to OL'ers.
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I was hoping that you were joking.
no one who lifted weights could be that ignorant.

I have trouble with my size as well. (namely biceps getting in the way of front squats) Flexablilty is my major concern....slowly but surely im getting there.

thanks for sorting that out
 
http://www.usatf.org/athletes/bios/McEwen_John.shtml

http://www.trackprofile.com/photos/j_mcewen01.JPG


Friend of mine from the gym - Taught me how to do the Snatch and Power Clean.

John's lifts (this summer): Snatch #350, Front Squat #400+
Back when he did bench - 500+, Back Squat over #800.


His simple quote to me at the beginning of the summer - "Olympic lifts will change your life." Damn straight they have - my traps, back, and bi's are growing - with my shoulders being the most stable they've been in years.

BTW - this summer he got up to #280 body weight - with a 30" vertical.

And in case the argument of muscle size comes up - he sports 30" quads.


Olympic lifters not strong? are you crazy?
 
Read this thread today...funny. I know TOO MANY people in this thread for it NOT to be...lol

B True
 
brian747478` said:
isn't that the truth, i think i know what u mean. b, i have a tourney you need to sign up for, invitation only:)
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:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

If they ONLY knew!!! Wish I still had that flyer laying around here...lol

B True
 
The last American to win a gold medal in the Olympics was Tara Nott in 2000. The last American man to win was Chuck Vinci in 1960. Olympic lifting is a fascinating sport. It combines speed with strength (power). I compete in the Masters program (I'm 45) and have done OL since I was 13. I'll do it as long as I can, even if I have to power snatch and power clean in competition.
 
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