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What's the best approach to olympic lifting?

Right now I'm doing front (oly style) and back squat ass to the grass
overhead press and DL

What's next?

I don't have a trainer and nobody in my gym can tell me if I use a proper form (nor what is the proper form)

I thought I would start with Power Cleans and overhead squats

Thanks for any advice and link to pics/videos :)
 
I thought about doing Olympic style lifting, but concluded that sport is for young men. Powerlifting is much more suited to the master lifter. Got for it if you wish. I've done some searching around and you don't find as many meets as the PLing world.
 
Hey Anthrax. This is the former Steelweaver. I quit bodybuilding and took up OL. You do need to be young to start (and probably have great genetics, and a great coach, and sponsors) if you want to become world class, but with patience and time, any age can learn. I started at 30. It's very difficult without a coach, but possible. I know one Austr guy on the boards who taught himself from vidoes and books. Buy the Weightlifting Encyclopaedia by Arthur Drechsler. It's brilliant and breaks every lift down into its components. It covers everything you ever needed to know about OL. Also try and see if you can get any of Mel Siff's books, or any of the Russian or Bulgarian coachs' books.

It's better to learn the full lifts first before you do power cleans and snatches. The hips are in a different position on the power moves, and if you learn with power moves, there's a good chance you'll get into a habit you can't break, and will never get the full moves right. Then you'll never catch a max lift, since those are caught right at the bottom.

Overhead squats (snatch grip and clean grip), front squats (NOT the crossed arm type) and high bar back squats are great. Skip DL for now and start learning second and first pulls (shoulders are in a diff position with pulls, and doing DLs too pulls your line out). Learn second pulls first, then ground work for first pulls. After you master 2nd and 1st, you put them together for a smooth pull, then add in the rest of the move. But DO squat down every time. My coach wouldn't let me do power moves for the first 1.5 years!

Do push presses, and graduate to power jerks. Full jerks are hard to learn. You'll need books and videos. Can't you find a coach? The local university (if you have one)should have someone who knows something, no???

Fortified Iron and GoHeavy.com are both OL sites. You'll find advice there. If you remember spatts, her own site now has a good OL coach visiting there sometimes. But you'll have to contact her privately through Irontrybe, I think.

Good luck man! Welcome to OL! It's a thrilling and satisfying sport you'll either fall completely in love with, or will quit within months from aching joints (that's the age bit ... it's very hard on the joints).
 
OMG!
Steelweaver!?

Reminds me of the great times with the other fine members (MS, Spats, PolishHammer,....)

Glad to see you back :)

and thanks a lot for the advice

Oly lifting is definitely more difficult than plain BBing (and PLing) but it seems to be thrilling and fun

My chiro is also a trainer and I'll ask to show me/correct my form once he fixes my RC
 
Heh heh. Yeah, I'm still around, sort of. There were some GREAT members. Don't hang on the boards much anymore - no time - studying biochemistry now - went back to university :) (one of the great spinoffs of bodybuilding in my life) Wow, if you're looking for a challenge, try physics and chemistry when you haven't done anything remotely connected to science for 15 years!! Anyway, I have 2 coaches now, so don't really need the boards much anyway. I check in now and then to see what's going on, keep up to date.

OL is a much greater challenge, and I find it mentally much more stimulating. PL is cool for periods, but then I start yearning for something more. PL stimulates in a different way - it's ... rougher. BB is all about just hanging in there. I find it too draining. But the way I feel when I get a perfect snatch, when the weight is simply ... weightless ... that feeling is incomparable. A perfect squat still feels f**king heavy, but a perfect snatch - the unbelievable speed, the perfect harmony of balance and force ... wow, it's like ... well, it's like poetry.

Sorry about your RC - I hope it's not bad. I truly hope you manage to get into OL well, and get the technique - it's totally worth it. It takes a while - well, actually - a long while, but it's bloody awesome. Good luck. DO ask around and see if you can't find an OL club or something. You'd be surprised where some of these folks can be found!
 
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