OK!! Stupid question time!!!

[emptywallet]

Ok, here's my retarded question of the day. According to what I have stored in my brain ( this may or may not be correct), when you eat carbs, the carbohydrates that are not used for glycogen (liver or muscle) and that are not used for energy, are stored as fat correct? Fat is just that, either used as energy or stored as fat ( there may be other uses, healing properties I'm sure, but I havent looked into it) , but what about protein?? Can it be stored as fat? Or is it just digested and used to repair and then any excess is just then passed on as waste? If its not used is it stored as fat? I know an excess of any type of calories is stored as fat but I'm talking about protein specifially. What is it more apt to do? Carbs are definetely apt to be stored as fat if you don't use them, but what about protein specifically? Anyone see what I mean?

 

[RdStrcklnd]

I know that your body can convert protein into fat, but thats the end of my knowledge.

 

[emptywallet]

I know that your body can convert protein into fat, but thats the end of my knowledge.

Is that like an end all to it though? Like if it can't find ANYTHING else to do with it, and there are no carbs, or fats, THEN its stored as fat? Or what?

 

[RdStrcklnd]

I know it is a more complicated process than simply using fat so the body looks to fats first, I don't know how it compares to carbs, my guess would be that carbs would be turned to fat first.

 

[BigAndy69]

I may be off on the numbers but from what I read

97% of Excess fat calories are stored as fat
77% of Excess CARB calories are stored as fat

(Not sure about this one but I know it's less than carbs)
63% of Excess Protein calories are stored as fat.

 

[RdStrcklnd]

Thanks Andy, there you go. BTW, this is not a stupid question at all, thanks for asking it.

 

[emptywallet]

I may be off on the numbers but from what I read

97% of Excess fat calories are stored as fat
77% of Excess CARB calories are stored as fat

(Not sure about this one but I know it's less than carbs)
63% of Excess Protein calories are stored as fat.

Where did you read that at???

 

[Fonz]

I may be off on the numbers but from what I read

97% of Excess fat calories are stored as fat
77% of Excess CARB calories are stored as fat

(Not sure about this one but I know it's less than carbs)
63% of Excess Protein calories are stored as fat.

Some minor errors.

The Thermic Effect of Food(TIF) is what determines how the calories are stored.

Fat: 3% Heat loss when digested.
Carbs: Ranges from 5-10% Heat loss
Protein: By itself: 25% heat loss. Combined with Fat or Carbs: 10-15%

This is why when calculating a diet, you should always include the thermic effect of food.

i.e. 3000Kcal/day is really 2700Kcal/day when you take into
consideration heat generation from the food ingested.

Remember that no biological process is 100% efficient. NONE.

TIF is normally adjusted to approx. 10% of Kcals consumed

Fonz

 

[emptywallet]

Some minor errors.

The Thermic Effect of Food(TIF) is what determines how the calories are stored.

Fat: 3% Heat loss when digested.
Carbs: Ranges from 5-10% Heat loss
Protein: By itself: 25% heat loss. Combined with Fat or Carbs: 10-15%

This is why when calculating a diet, you should always include the thermic effect of food.

i.e. 3000Kcal/day is really 2700Kcal/day when you take into
consideration heat generation from the food ingested.

Remember that no biological process is 100% efficient. NONE.

TIF is normally adjusted to approx. 10% of Kcals consumed

Fonz

So what exactly does the body prefer to do with protein when it not used, store it or turn it into waste? With carbs, it prefers to store them as fat right? Protein?

 

[Fonz]

So what exactly does the body prefer to do with protein when it not used, store it or turn it into waste? With carbs, it prefers to store them as fat right? Protein?

Ok, I'll explain it a bit better.

Imagine you eat say 100g of carbs:

Out of those 400Kcal, approx. 40(10%) will be dissipated of
as heat while digested.

Out of the remaining 360Kcal(90g carbs), the body will immediately shuttle the glucose into the muscle cells, fat cells
and liver glycogen.

The variables depend on muscle glycogen levels and liver
glycogen levels.

If muscle and liver glycogen is full, the body will convert the excess glucose into fat via denovo lipogenesis.

If muscle and liver glycogen is not full, the glucose will
primarily go there.

The only thing in the whole system that is bottomless, is the
fat cells.

Fonz

 

[bunkka]

There is no such thing as a stupid question!

Only.... stupid people that ask questions.

LOL.. j/k, buddy. Actually, the only stupid question is the one not asked.

 

[Andy13]

I may be off on the numbers but from what I read

97% of Excess fat calories are stored as fat
77% of Excess CARB calories are stored as fat

(Not sure about this one but I know it's less than carbs)
63% of Excess Protein calories are stored as fat.

That has a peculiar reek as if it were from The Fonz Book of Pulp Chemical Fiction..

 

[emptywallet]

Ok, I'll explain it a bit better.

Imagine you eat say 100g of carbs:

Out of those 400Kcal, approx. 40(10%) will be dissipated of
as heat while digested.

Out of the remaining 360Kcal(90g carbs), the body will immediately shuttle the glucose into the muscle cells, fat cells
and liver glycogen.

The variables depend on muscle glycogen levels and liver
glycogen levels.

If muscle and liver glycogen is full, the body will convert the excess glucose into fat via denovo lipogenesis.

If muscle and liver glycogen is not full, the glucose will
primarily go there.

The only thing in the whole system that is bottomless, is the
fat cells.

Fonz

OK!! We are on the right track. NOW, do the same thing you just did with carbs, but do it for protein. Like it goes here first, then if not here then here and here and here, and what order it prefers to go to. See what I mean now? I think I worded the question funny. You did just what I asked, except it was for carbs not protein. You made a roadmap for carbs, I'm looking for a roadmap for protein. See what I mean now? Heh, I dont expect you to answer this tonight as I'm sure your snoring like a baby with a little bit of scotch in his milk. Gonna keep experimenting with that at any higher of a dose?

 

[BigAndy69]

That has a peculiar reek as if it were from The Fonz Book of Pulp Chemical Fiction..

I really don't understand what you mean...I read this on www.t-mag.com I think it was an article by John Berardi

I'll see if I can dig it up

 

[Fonz]

That has a peculiar reek as if it were from The Fonz Book of Pulp Chemical Fiction..

Andy, cool it.

I've never written anyhting like that.

Fonz

 

[Andy13]

Andy, cool it.

I've never written anyhting like that.

Fonz

Are you sure about that?


You posted something a while back with the tune of "carbs (fat, protein) convert to fat with xx.xxxx% efficiency,' Of course, give or take a 1.0E-4 % or two.