Ok, just one last time.....

[Gel]

Look's like I'm finally going to get my first cycle going tomorrow, please give it the once over guys, I was going to do ten weeks Anavar but there's a supply problem so won't get it for a couple of weeks so asked for two weeks winny orals till it arrives, cycle is:

Week 1 :
1g Test Enan Frontload
50mg winny per day

Week 2 :
Same as week 1

Weeks 3 - 10
500mg Test enan
40mg Anavar per day

Nolvadex 10mg every day through out the cycle
3000mg ALA every day throughout cycle
Clomid Post

Where I am stuck is:

I've ordered some finsteride, this is where I am stuck, should I take 10mg per day thoughout or just see how I get on?

Is it okay to move straight from Winny to Anavar like that?

I know I'm going to put on a lot of water weight but roughly how much is how much and how long does it take to drop once off? I intend to go straight back into a keto diet afterwards.

Can I stay on a keto diet through this lot by the way?


Thanks for any views you can offer, I don't want to f*** up my first cycle by overlooking something.

Gel

 

[Nelson Montana]

First cycle? WAY too much.

How many times does this have to be said?

Everyone wants to be Ronnie Coleman by Friday.

 

[Gel]

Hi Nelson,
I originally only wanted 250mg per week, then my source said that was too low (even considering running with Anavar and it was my first cycle) and he suggested 500mg, then someone suggested the frontload.

Tell me how much to take, how much is too much. I want to build up, not become a contender for mr Olympia.

If I wanted to be like that I wouldn't be asking about it, I'd just go ahead and take the stuff. How am I to know if it's too much when it's my first cycle and no previous experience to go on?

 

[THEEGAME2544]

Everyone wants to be Ronnie Coleman by Friday.

 

[THEEGAME2544]

I agree with Nelson on this one.....could be a little much too start. Seeing as this is your first cycle you don't have to bother frontloading the test if your using it for 10 weeks. Keep it at 500mg the whole way through. Use an oral for about 5 or 6 weeks.....no need to run it the whole way through. You could run the oral starting week 7 or 8 and keep it going until you start your post cycle therapy this way you can still use something up until the test clears your system 3 weeks after your last shot. Are you cutting or bulking? You mention in your first thread about a keto diet......but then you say in your second thread that your looking to build up? Which is it? If your cutting on this cycle, just drop your carbs and calories a bit below what your maintanence calories are....You don't have to go the keto route yet. If your bulking then just eat....eat....eat.....get in 4000 preferably 5000 calories a day and keep that protein high!

 

[Gel]

Thanks for replying mate,
Ideally I'm looking to cut, I've still got flab around the trunk area although everything else is pretty tight.

I've gone from 267lb 33% Bf 44in waist to 203lbs 24% Bf and am 6ft with a 32in waist.

I don't think I'm ready to bulk yet, just cut but I would like to see more definition there, which will come with cutting.

 

[DaddyX]

terrible cycle, just terrible. sometimes i wonder where you newbies get your cycle ideas from. first cycle, 500mg test 10wks. no need for winny or anavar. remember this is your first cycle

 

[Themachine01]

First cycle? WAY too much.

How many times does this have to be said?

Everyone wants to be Ronnie Coleman by Friday.

If everything goes as scheduled, I should be Ronnie by Saturday.

 

[bigduck]

one question but if he is looking to cut is 500mg test a good idea and dont you think 24% bf could come down a little big more naturally? although i do commend you on the weight loss you have already acomplished.......nevr easy.

 

[supertech69]

Hi Nelson,
I originally only wanted 250mg per week, then my source said that was too low (even considering running with Anavar and it was my first cycle) and he suggested 500mg, then someone suggested the frontload.

Of course he did, he's a business man, higher dose = more $$$ in his pocket.

 

[THEEGAME2544]

I honestly feel like this is not that bad of a cycle considering some of the first cycle threads that have been put up lately......keep with 500mg you'll be fine.....but DON'T go any higher.

 

[Bishop4]

i'd use the test first cycle......then do the anavar for a second cycle. maybe pick up some dbol to use the first month of your test cycle. 500mg EW test for 10 weeks is what i'd suggest, 250mg is the rage now though lol (i think that is a pathetic waste of time and money, but i react better to higher doses of test.....sorry!). and 25-35mg dbol for 4 weeks. then use the anavar (what kind is it BTW) for another cycle. two cutters if you like.

 

[Gel]

HI Bishop, it's Spanish Generic Var.

 

[Bishop4]

HI Bishop, it's Spanish Generic Var.

ah, i'm using the BD var at 40mg ED myself for 3 months. on a cutter here. just curious to anything var right now.

 

[Shallow Hal]

At 24% you may want to consider staying natural for a while. However a good first cycle world be 500mg of test/weeks for 10 weeks. Or you could run the anavar by itself for 30mg per day for 8 weeks.

 

[bigerisbetter]

terrible cycle, just terrible. sometimes i wonder where you newbies get your cycle ideas from. first cycle, 500mg test 10wks. no need for winny or anavar. remember this is your first cycle

Well said. 500 mg/week is absolutely a perfect first cycle, no d-bol or winny or deca or anything else. Test for first cycle and thats IT.

 

[Bishop4]

Well said. 500 mg/week is absolutely a perfect first cycle, no d-bol or winny or deca or anything else. Test for first cycle and thats IT.

i'd take advantage of it being my first cycle and add the dbol. i feel i made the most permanent and best gains on my first, and it involved dbol and winny and no test at all. i react shitty to test (at least at low doses) and better to some orals like dbol. just me personally and JMO on this one. many guys i know did sust/dbol first cycle and gained like 20-25 lbs on dbol and maybe 2-3lbs on the sust alone segment. and i'm talking a WIDE variety of people here that did make mistakes and were not perfect......but they all bitched about the test not really being a factor, but the dbol being the main weight gain drug on the cycle. its important if you ask me.

 

[NapoleanComplex]

...many guys i know did sust/dbol first cycle and gained like 20-25 lbs on dbol and maybe 2-3lbs on the sust alone segment. and i'm talking a WIDE variety of people here that did make mistakes and were not perfect......but they all bitched about the test not really being a factor, but the dbol being the main weight gain drug on the cycle. its important if you ask me.

Bishop4 - I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but I'm willing to bet the weight from dbol was WATER! And while your friends only gained 2-3lbs on the test...bullshit...the test was solidifying the water gains from the dbol.



Gel - As for the purpose of the thread....these guys are right, just stick w/ the test. The anavar is going to be wasted on this cutter. All you need is enough to hold the muscle while you shred up. You can use the anavar to hit up another cutter down the road.

 

[Bishop4]

Bishop4 - I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but I'm willing to bet the weight from dbol was WATER! And while your friends only gained 2-3lbs on the test...bullshit...the test was solidifying the water gains from the dbol.

possibly.......but then you validate my point right there. the gains were from the DBOL and the test solidified it. so leave out the dbol? lol, you guys make me laugh sometimes. especially when you contradict yourself in your own post. also, read my other posts. i kept 14 quality lbs from a first cycle of dbol/winny with NO post cycle ancilleries. water weight? BULLHSHIT!!.... so i call bullshit on you.

 

[NapoleanComplex]

possibly.......but then you validate my point right there. the gains were from the DBOL and the test solidified it. so leave out the dbol?

I guess w/ out the dbol, test will only produce 2-3lbs in a cycle. You're right...I don't know shit.

 

[Nelson Montana]

24% bf?! You don't need steroids. You need to move more and eat less. Period.

 

[Gel]

24% bf?! You don't need steroids. You need to move more and eat less. Period.

How much more would you like me to do?

I've been on a strict Keto diet (sub 1500 kcal) per day for 7 months and plateaud 2 months ago.

I managed to lose 7lbs more on a light clen/t3 cycle and go to the gym 3-4 times a week with a good mix of cardio and free weights under supervision from one of the trainers there.
I spend over 2 hours there each time and have a very clean diet.

Most of my flab thats left (around the waist mainly) is not shifting and I'm putting that down to stretched skin that maybe over time will tighten up.

Perhaps if I build up in the muscle dept it'll help my definition but I've been a lard arse since I was 15, and I'm not one to jump straight into gear as an easy way out as I'm sure as hell not going to undo all the good work I've done.

 

[Bishop4]

I guess w/ out the dbol, test will only produce 2-3lbs in a cycle. You're right...I don't know shit.

250mg? yeah about right. lol. a gram a week or more might put you up there near dbol/test....still not close enough to compare. your an idiot is right if you think your doing yourself a favor doing test only cycles w/o dbol. purely retarded. sorry, but

 

[NapoleanComplex]

250mg? yeah about right. lol. a gram a week or more might put you up there near dbol/test....still not close enough to compare. your an idiot is right if you think your doing yourself a favor doing test only cycles w/o dbol. purely retarded. sorry, but

You are obviously lacking in either (probably both) diet and training, if you can only pull off 2-3lbs off a 250mg cycle. You are either sorely mistaken or you need to focus more on the diet/training boards...

My points being:
1) dbol w/ out test is a waste of time
2) test w/ out dbol can easily put on 20+lbs IF training/diet are up to par.
3) you've been on here for 11 fucking days

 

[Bishop4]

You are obviously lacking in either (probably both) diet and training, if you can only pull off 2-3lbs off a 250mg cycle. You are either sorely mistaken or you need to focus more on the diet/training boards...

My points being:
1) dbol w/ out test is a waste of time
2) test w/ out dbol can easily put on 20+lbs IF training/diet are up to par.
3) you've been on here for 11 fucking days

31 years old. know more and done more of all the above than you. also would you like to have me get 5 vets with 4-5K posts PM you about who i am and how i make your post count look like childs play? just LMK, i'll get on it for you. no prob. ever heard of going non-plat and losing your name? ever heard of being deactivated for inactivity? or other such reasons for post count not being what it should be. like i said, i got the proof of countless well respected guys on the board. find out who you are fucking with before opening your big mouth bro. have a nice day. moron.

 

[Bishop4]

april 2003. your a real vet there buddy with your 813 posts. guess my 6000 plus i had is not enough to best you. your superior for sure. good math skills newbie.

 

[NapoleanComplex]

OK...I accept defeat
After my last post, I searched your name, and you def. have a good deal of knowlegde. I just don't hold dbol in such high regards.