OK Fellas need ur help

[Gardenstateguy]

There's no better site that this one, with all the great gear minds here...so I need ur help on a cycle. This is what I have:

200 tabs of Var at 10mg
200 tabs of Tbol at 10mg
Clomid
HCG Pregnly(5000 iu)

What do you suggest on how to cycle this? I read, that Var should be limited to 8 weeks...so I really need ur help in what to do. I also have Milk thistle. Also, anything else that i need to get, that you would recommend for this type of cycle??

Again, thanks in advanced. You guys are the best
5'10, 185 lbs, around 12% BF,
GSguy

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Find some Test/Deca or Test/EQ, and hold off on the orals until you do.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Get yourself some test for the base of the cycle...test-alone is just fine...if you insist on throwing in an oral, choose one or the other, not both....run t-bol for 4 weeks at 50mg ED...I don't have any experience with var

 

[smoke67]

Get yourself some test for the base of the cycle...test-alone is just fine...if you insist on throwing in an oral, choose one or the other, not both....run t-bol for 4 weeks at 50mg ED...I don't have any experience with var

I agree

Var can be ran about the same but I prefer T bol.

 

[Gardenstateguy]

Get yourself some test for the base of the cycle...test-alone is just fine...if you insist on throwing in an oral, choose one or the other, not both....run t-bol for 4 weeks at 50mg ED...I don't have any experience with var

Oh...ok...so you truly recommend to run some Test with it then. Its not cause i don't want too...but i guess you can call me limited in my options.
When you say test...what test?

Thanks

 

[Chocolate_Thunder]

+1 for the test

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I prefer Enanthate, or Omna's.

 

[Gardenstateguy]

I prefer Enanthate, or Omna's.

Thanks bro, but may i ask on why you guys are adament on the Test with this type of cycle? Is it that bad to run 2 orals??

 

[dabuffguy]

There's no better site that this one, with all the great gear minds here...so I need ur help on a cycle. This is what I have:

200 tabs of Var at 10mg
200 tabs of Tbol at 10mg
Clomid
HCG Pregnly(5000 iu)

What do you suggest on how to cycle this? I read, that Var should be limited to 8 weeks...so I really need ur help in what to do. I also have Milk thistle. Also, anything else that i need to get, that you would recommend for this type of cycle??

Again, thanks in advanced. You guys are the best
5'10, 185 lbs, around 12% BF,
GSguy

After using test an d-bol twice, I ended up in my hands exactly what you have, except only 100 vars instead of 200.

And , here's what I did with it:

1-5 weeks at 60mg tbol
5-7.5 week (25 days) at 40mg var.

I got much stronger, leaner and upped 12 lbs, and after PCT I was 2 lbs down from the 12. It was water. I get a little bloat from t-bol. I also droped my creatine as well after the cycle to give my whole body a rest from everything. It's now 7 weeks after PCT and I am even 4 lbs heavier.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Thanks bro, but may i ask on why you guys are adament on the Test with this type of cycle? Is it that bad to run 2 orals??

I don't feel it's bad to run 2 orals. Most would say 2 orals are excessively toxic. But the orals will suppress your natural test, so you should try to at the very least replace it with synthetic - IMO.
250mg EW should suffice, if you've never run it before.

 

[GUARDIAN]

I don't feel it's bad to run 2 orals. Most would say 2 orals are excessively toxic. But the orals will suppress your natural test, so you should try to at the very least replace it with synthetic - IMO.
250mg EW should suffice, if you've never run it before.

+1 and your gains will be so much better imo

 

[Gardenstateguy]

After using test an d-bol twice, I ended up in my hands exactly what you have, except only 100 vars instead of 200.

And , here's what I did with it:

1-5 weeks at 60mg tbol
5-7.5 week (25 days) at 40mg var.

I got much stronger, leaner and upped 12 lbs, and after PCT I was 2 lbs down from the 12. It was water. I get a little bloat from t-bol. I also droped my creatine as well after the cycle to give my whole body a rest from everything. It's now 7 weeks after PCT and I am even 4 lbs heavier.

Sounds good bro, thank you for you help

 

[Powerbuilder333]

+1 and your gains will be so much better imo

Absoulutely better!!

 

[Gardenstateguy]

Absoulutely better!!

I hear ya guys...thanks for all your help. I knew I would get the best advice here. Don't know how, but Im gonna try my best to adhere your advice and run some test.

This site rocks !

 

[dabuffguy]

I hear ya guys...thanks for all your help. I knew I would get the best advice here. Don't know how, but Im gonna try my best to adhere your advice and run some test.

This site rocks !

yes, get some test.

 

[pappad]

There's no better site that this one, with all the great gear minds here...so I need ur help on a cycle. This is what I have:

200 tabs of Var at 10mg
200 tabs of Tbol at 10mg
Clomid
HCG Pregnly(5000 iu)

What do you suggest on how to cycle this? I read, that Var should be limited to 8 weeks...so I really need ur help in what to do. I also have Milk thistle. Also, anything else that i need to get, that you would recommend for this type of cycle??

Again, thanks in advanced. You guys are the best
5'10, 185 lbs, around 12% BF,
GSguy

What you listed is like finish materials in a house. It's like saying, I want to build a house and I have all the trim and cabinets so what do think?

I think you need a slab and framework! As in TEST!

 

[njmuscleguy]

I don't feel it's bad to run 2 orals. Most would say 2 orals are excessively toxic. But the orals will suppress your natural test, so you should try to at the very least replace it with synthetic - IMO.
250mg EW should suffice, if you've never run it before.

I agree with the second part of this (I personally wouldn't run two orals at the same time cuz I know that my liver takes a beating with 1 oral, let alone 2)

 

[perryscoon]

Do not run both of those at the same time.

Run the tbol like njmuscleguy says OR run the var at 40mg ED for 7.5 weeks.

You CAN run an oral only cycle but your results will be much better if you run at least a low dose of test with it, 250mg EW.

Keep in mind that neither of these drugs will produce dramatic muscle size; however, if your diet is in check you will see very nice vascularity and strength from var or tbol.

 

[dabuffguy]

Do not run both of those at the same time.

Run the tbol like njmuscleguy says OR run the var at 40mg ED for 7.5 weeks.

You CAN run an oral only cycle but your results will be much better if you run at least a low dose of test with it, 250mg EW.

Keep in mind that neither of these drugs will produce dramatic muscle size; however, if your diet is in check you will see very nice vascularity and strength from var or tbol.

The reason i did what I had posted is because tbol is notorious for dropping off the cliff in its effects after 4-5weeks. running that var the last week with the t-bol gets the var going as the tbol finishes up, as to not notice a drop off in performance. But, like you, I and everyone else had already said, he should run test ew while on the orals.


A great cycle for newbs IMO is test 12 weeks 250-500 mg with 50mg ed var 6 weeks.

This cycle produces very nice gains without al the shitty bloat and acne and shit that comes from dbol and too much test.

 

[Gardenstateguy]

Week 1 thru 6: 50 mg's Anavar ED
Week 1 & 2: 30 mg's t-bol ED
Week 2-6: 50 mg's t-bol ED (you are increasing dosage
on the T-bol here)
Week 7 & 8: PCT 50 mg's clomid ED


Just to clarify in order to receive the best advice from you guys...I have done a cycle many years ago of Test cyp with Winnie for 12 weeks as my first cycle. I started as a skinny 145 pounder and now weigh 180. I gained around 17 lbs from that first cycle back in the day...and since now i'm older, I've done my best to stay fit since then. Good diet, workout hard and very active in sports every weekend, all weekend long. Now in my early 30's, I want to do this cutting cycle to lose all BF...and since we can only do what we can get...I want to do said cycle. So while I understand that test should be a base for a first timer, I guess you can't consider me one. But of course, i didn't state this when I asked for help...my bad. What do you think of this cycle as my second ??
Thanks guys for all your great insight.
GSguy

 

[GUARDIAN]

Week 1 thru 6: 50 mg's Anavar ED
Week 1 & 2: 30 mg's t-bol ED
Week 2-6: 50 mg's t-bol ED (you are increasing dosage
on the T-bol here)
Week 7 & 8: PCT 50 mg's clomid ED


Just to clarify in order to receive the best advice from you guys...I have done a cycle many years ago of Test cyp with Winnie for 12 weeks as my first cycle. I started as a skinny 145 pounder and now weigh 180. I gained around 17 lbs from that first cycle back in the day...and since now i'm older, I've done my best to stay fit since then. Good diet, workout hard and very active in sports every weekend, all weekend long. Now in my early 30's, I want to do this cutting cycle to lose all BF...and since we can only do what we can get...I want to do said cycle. So while I understand that test should be a base for a first timer, I guess you can't consider me one. But of course, i didn't state this when I asked for help...my bad. What do you think of this cycle as my second ??
Thanks guys for all your great insight.
GSguy

that has nothing to do with why test was recommended. u only weigh 180? u could lose the bodyfat without the aid of gear which will help serve to getting your diet in order for when u do use aas. just my $0.02.

 

[Gardenstateguy]

that has nothing to do with why test was recommended. u only weigh 180? u could lose the bodyfat without the aid of gear which will help serve to getting your diet in order for when u do use aas. just my $0.02.

Hey 8and20 but Yeah, around 183 to be precise...never more than 186 in my life. So why the Test recommendation if i may ask? just curious cause I know I'm not the most informed regarding this. If I do go ahead with this type of cycle, what do you think would be my gains...with diet on point and all? I respect your opinion so i ask

 

[GUARDIAN]

Hey 8and20 but Yeah, around 183 to be precise...never more than 186 in my life. So why the Test recommendation if i may ask? just curious cause I know I'm not the most informed regarding this. If I do go ahead with this type of cycle, what do you think would be my gains...with diet on point and all? I respect your opinion so i ask

When natural test levels drop below the normal range many negative effects can happen such as loss of sex drive, fat gain, feelings of depression, loss of lean muscle (wont be the case when taking other aas), inability to concentrate, and feeling lethargic, and always being tired.

It is important for everyone to understand that even the mildest of compounds have natural test suppressing capabilities. Meaning if you use most any compound without test, your natural ability to produce test will diminish. This means you will have all the benefits from using these compounds, but you will also have all the negative effects of having no testosterone and you will develop some or all of the negative sides that come with low test levels.

As far as the gains I would not be able to offer any accurate assessment of that. There are too many unknowns. If I were to guess 3-7lbs max.

 

[Gardenstateguy]

When natural test levels drop below the normal range many negative effects can happen such as loss of sex drive, fat gain, feelings of depression, loss of lean muscle (wont be the case when taking other aas), inability to concentrate, and feeling lethargic, and always being tired.

It is important for everyone to understand that even the mildest of compounds have natural test suppressing capabilities. Meaning if you use most any compound without test, your natural ability to produce test will diminish. This means you will have all the benefits from using these compounds, but you will also have all the negative effects of having no testosterone and you will develop some or all of the negative sides that come with low test levels.

As far as the gains I would not be able to offer any accurate assessment of that. There are too many unknowns. If I were to guess 3-7lbs max.

I completely understand. Thanks bro, So what type of test should I use even as a minimal base? what you recommend?

 

[GUARDIAN]

I completely understand. Thanks bro, So what type of test should I use even as a minimal base? what you recommend?

test/e or test/c at 200-250mg ew. 1-10ml vial will be plenty.

u could use prop but i dont think the ed or eod injections are necessary plus u r taking orals.

 

[Gardenstateguy]

test/e or test/c at 200-250mg ew. 1-10ml vial will be plenty.

u could use prop but i dont think the ed or eod injections are necessary plus u r taking orals.

Got it bro...again, thanks for all your help. I needed it.