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so, i told my wife i wanted the divorce today... i'm not sure how i feel about it, i'm sad... this is not what i really wanted but i am not good at addressing things and am willing to live with my choice.

geez, how do i get by on 28K a year? alone? with no fucking car???

yes, this is what i have become... good times.
 
WTF

You shure you don't want to give this some more thought broly.

"this is not what i really wanted but i am not good at addressing things " doesn't sound like a really well considered plan.
 
ok, i really need to figure out finances...

home:
electric
gas
cable tv
phone
internet (likely getting the boot)

food is the killer, i'm going to have to lose some weight now. i'm thinking chicken and tuna only... maybe some beef here and there but cheap cuts... fuck, this is going to be bad.
 
Phenom78 said:
WTF

You shure you don't want to give this some more thought broly.

"this is not what i really wanted but i am not good at addressing things " doesn't sound like a really well considered plan.


too late... she forced the issue and i was tired of thinking about it so i reacted.


she brought up a fight that got physical... we were arguing and i was finished so i got up to leave the room, she grabbed me and i tried to push by her... so she grabbed tight and i took her by both arms and spun her around and threw her on the bed...

that was it... physical? yes.. abusive, not in my mind..

she pulled out that i'm 5 minutes away from doing that again and thats how i am. thats not me... i havent jacked a bitch since 2nd grade...

i shall change my name to mad white trash!
 
madbomber31 said:
so, i told my wife i wanted the divorce today... i'm not sure how i feel about it, i'm sad... this is not what i really wanted but i am not good at addressing things and am willing to live with my choice.

geez, how do i get by on 28K a year? alone? with no fucking car???

yes, this is what i have become... good times.
i would get that GED completed so you can get some money
 
dude. and you came here and told us? thanks a lot, Debbie Downer! sorry to hear. you know, you're gonna have that stink of a failed relationship that females can smell miles away.
 
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How do I put this.

If you can really put up with her being gone Bro then ok. If you're really ok, and this isnt to be an asshole, with her on her knees suckisn off some other guy next week....ie: youre that done....then good luck to you. I wish you all the best.

I just don't want to see you becomer one of those regret guys that only figures out "what have I done" when its really over and shes with someone else. The longer you wait, the harder it is to fix.

But whatever you deicde I wish you the best.
 
madbomber, divorcing instead of dealing with a problem probably seems easier, but its not.
Is being alone, being divorced, giving up the things in your marriage that you love worth it? Is she making you miserable? Is she not a person you're happy living with and refusing to try as much as you?
what kind of husband have you been or want to be?
 
hehe...

if she sucks some guy off next week then it tells me i did the right thing and i'm ok with that.

i made a hasty decision, i'm aware of that...

HT, you must go to the gym... even though it's 6pm and you should have went at 10am.


funny thing that i believe may have factored into this... we've been driving to and from work together for 2 months cuz my truck died and i couldnt find a GOOD used car... kept putting shit off, etc...

i think it just wore me out...


sorry to bring you folks down... i have to admit i really dont talk about real life shit with my real life friends because then people have something on you.. sure, you all got something on me now but in the grand scheme of things how bad can it be with that?

oh, then i got a phone call, my boy decides not to do his cycle and is offering it to me... funny timing.
 
damn, and what if i decide i made a mistake? then i'm a spineless fuck who didnt stand up for my original decision.
 
madbomber31 said:
damn, and what if i decide i made a mistake? then i'm a spineless fuck who didnt stand up for my original decision.

indecison is worse than being spineless.
 
interesting take... and i agree. which makes me mad at myself... fucker.
 
bro it sounds like you guys could use some more heart to heart chats and work shit out, just my thoughts though.
 
dude,

I hope this is a joke.

i don't know you or your situation, but it sounds like you're being a 100% sissy loser quitter dirtbag.

how old are you? how long have you been married? People that love each other don't just pack up and leave over shit like that.

You said you only make 28K so you must be a young guy. Life is long, dude....don't stress over the small shit...work it out. someobdy in this thread said you don't want to be alone when you get older and that's true man.

Hasty decision to get a divorce? WTF???
 
i'm 33.. the 28K is just due to the line of work i chose. she's 26, so ya she's younger... we've been married for 2 years in august.

i'll figure shit out... i just wanted to vent for a bit here... i'm done venting and am now thinking (which isnt usually good for me)
 
madbomber31 said:
i'm 33.. the 28K is just due to the line of work i chose. she's 26, so ya she's younger... we've been married for 2 years in august.

i'll figure shit out... i just wanted to vent for a bit here... i'm done venting and am now thinking (which isnt usually good for me)
Michigan isn't the best place on earth to try and scratch out a living.
 
your situation sounds very similar to mine
I was 33 and she 25 when we married
we had an incident like you described in which I had to toss her on the bed
she was drunk and aiming to leave in her blazer
and I was't going to allow that
later down the road she socked me real good in the eye
and I just got up and left
also too down the road she made the "physical abuse" cry
fuck that
 
madbomber31 said:
i'm 33.. the 28K is just due to the line of work i chose. she's 26, so ya she's younger... we've been married for 2 years in august.

i'll figure shit out... i just wanted to vent for a bit here... i'm done venting and am now thinking (which isnt usually good for me)
I just gotta ask the question that begs to be asked ...

Uhh, you've talked money, finances, your temper, her temper, and transportation problems (granted, reality, I've been divorced and I totally relate to having to deal with a budget for the first time ever), but uhhh, I haven't heard the LOVE word, not once.

Do you LOVE her, are you in love with her? Does she LOVE you, is she IN love with you?

You can work just about anything out if you love each other. Shit, two years, you two should still be in rug burns and honeymoon phase.

Case in point, a guy has to learn how to argue with a woman, it's a skill ... you don't argue with chick the same way you do with a guy. You can't just GET UP and walk away, that shit doesn't fly with us, it short circuits our brains, I'm telling you. You have to sit tight until it's done, and it ain't done until SHE feels like it's done, TOO. The only way you CAN leave before it's over is if you say, "I can't really talk about this right now, I'm going to take a walk (or whatever) and cool off and then we can talk about this some more later," then you can leave. But you can't just say, "I'm done," and walk out. Women are not wired that way, you'll drive the bitch crazy real quick doing things like that to her. You have to let her vent out HER issues, and sometimes fighting with a woman is a lot like lancing a boil, you get the stuff at the top, but a lot of old stuff starts coming out, too.
 
*rubs eyes*

I can't believe what I am reading.

I guess life in that ivory tower of yours ain't so great after all. Sucks to have to come down to earth with us flawed mortals.




At least you were smart enough to refrain from having kids. (But then again, I suppose that would make all of our parents morons.)

You think divorcing is easy? Dude.... you really dont know fuckall about life.

At least you're smarter than me and it only took you two years to figure out that you made the biggest mistake of your adult life. Oh wait - you got married at the age of 31? Hmmmmmmmmmm ten years older than I was when I chose my life partner and you still fucked it up.... THAT BADLY?!

You would stay in a shitty marriage because you dont have a car? That makes a lot of sense.

Let's see how much:

You have a college degree.

You are gainfully employed.

You are a man.

You have no dependants.





Grow the fuck up.

Either get some counseling and be an adult and TRY to work at it. Or move the fuck on. I mean - with your income I am sure you have little to no assets. What is there to fight over... the Precious Moments collection? There are no children. She has her own job I assume. You wont even need a lawyer. Could get divorced for under a G.
 
you'll receive 10,000 opinions -- all from people woh don't know squat about u and her.

It's like asking opinions from strangers on whether u two should get married. U didn't care about opinions then, so why now?

We don't know dick. It's YOU who has to decide what's right for you. No one put a gun to your head to get married, and no one's putting a gunt o your head to get divorced. You do what YOU gotta do. Don't get divorced cuz of some strangers advice on an internet msg board! C'mon. Do some relaxing, soul-searching, and do what is best for you AND her.
 
when my ex told me that her divorce was the hardest thing she's ever had to to in hr life, i laughed in her face. try learning to be right handed when you're a southpaw.
 
Dude, don't leave until you get her to help finance you a car. Just be quiet and post shit about her here on EF. And then be all like, smiley to her face and "yes maam" this and "yes maam" that. Start stealing food from the kitchen too. You know, shit that don't go back like canned goods, soups, last Xmas fruitcake. You can hide it somewhere and stock your apartment when you move. Go through her purse while she is sleeping and take out a few dollars here and there. Or get her drunk and then when she passes out use her ATM card to draw out a couple hundred and blame it on "her night out with the girls" and feign innocence about it. Buddy up to her and have her take you on vacation. When you get there, send out resumes and look at the job section of that town. Saw off 3/4" on one of her high heels and hope she falls. If she laid up in bed with a broke leg, she won't be able to keep an eye on you while you use her car to ride out and hook up, errr.. I mean interview other chics while spending her workers comp checks. Anytime she buy something and has a receipt, steal it. Take it back and get the money. Keep it. Claim you never saw what she bought and maybe she just misplaced it.
 
AAP said:
Dude, don't leave until you get her to help finance you a car. Just be quiet and post shit about her here on EF. And then be all like, smiley to her face and "yes maam" this and "yes maam" that. Start stealing food from the kitchen too. You know, shit that don't go back like canned goods, soups, last Xmas fruitcake. You can hide it somewhere and stock your apartment when you move. Go through her purse while she is sleeping and take out a few dollars here and there. Or get her drunk and then when she passes out use her ATM card to draw out a couple hundred and blame it on "her night out with the girls" and feign innocence about it. Buddy up to her and have her take you on vacation. When you get there, send out resumes and look at the job section of that town. Saw off 3/4" on one of her high heels and hope she falls. If she laid up in bed with a broke leg, she won't be able to keep an eye on you while you use her car to ride out and hook up, errr.. I mean interview other chics while spending her workers comp checks. Anytime she buy something and has a receipt, steal it. Take it back and get the money. Keep it. Claim you never saw what she bought and maybe she just misplaced it.

Why do all the good ones play for the other team?! :worried:


I am in love with a man that I can't have... I see a pattern here. LMFAO
 
Razorguns said:
you'll receive 10,000 opinions -- all from people woh don't know squat about u and her.

It's like asking opinions from strangers on whether u two should get married. U didn't care about opinions then, so why now?

We don't know dick. It's YOU who has to decide what's right for you. No one put a gun to your head to get married, and no one's putting a gunt o your head to get divorced. You do what YOU gotta do. Don't get divorced cuz of some strangers advice on an internet msg board! C'mon. Do some relaxing, soul-searching, and do what is best for you AND her.

I cant believe this..............I agree with you here.
 
HumanTarget said:
when my ex told me that her divorce was the hardest thing she's ever had to to in hr life, i laughed in her face. try learning to be right handed when you're a southpaw.
It was comman practice tell around the 60's to force children to use there right hand rather then there left.
 
oh, man oh man....I have had a lot of disagreements with my husband the first 3 years of our marriadge. We sucked it up and every time there was a problem, if one gets upset, the other one quiets down till the storm is gone and then we talk calmly and try to figure shit out. Being married 2 years, you are still newlyweds, we felt the same as you do now - trapped, confused, dont know what you want.

Think it through. Nobody here knows enough about your relationship with your wife to give you advice. You have to do it yourself
 
foreigngirl said:
oh, man oh man....I have had a lot of disagreements with my husband the first 3 years of our marriadge. We sucked it up and every time there was a problem, if one gets upset, the other one quiets down till the storm is gone and then we talk calmly and try to figure shit out. Being married 2 years, you are still newlyweds, we felt the same as you do now - trapped, confused, dont know what you want.

Think it through. Nobody here knows enough about your relationship with your wife to give you advice. You have to do it yourself

we are talking and will attempt to work this out.. i'm not ready to be divorced and i love her, i love my life... i just want to have my alone time.

i'm much more calm today... the lies she told were 2 years ago and every now and then they just piss me off out of the blue and it give me so many doubts.

i have such a temper and i fly off the handle very quick... i say very hurtful things to her and i really dont mean them but it's my way of trying to get her to leave or to hate me so she wont talk to me.

growing pains...



oh, and bikinimom, you are a psycho nutjob bitch, your opinion means as much to me as the piles of dog shit i'm picking up today.
 
madbomber31 said:
we are talking and will attempt to work this out.. i'm not ready to be divorced and i love her, i love my life... i just want to have my alone time.

i'm much more calm today... the lies she told were 2 years ago and every now and then they just piss me off out of the blue and it give me so many doubts.

i have such a temper and i fly off the handle very quick... i say very hurtful things to her and i really dont mean them but it's my way of trying to get her to leave or to hate me so she wont talk to me.

growing pains...



oh, and bikinimom, you are a psycho nutjob bitch, your opinion means as much to me as the piles of dog shit i'm picking up today.


that makes me happy to read - you saying you two love each other. That all it matters. The past has to stay behind you, cause if you keep thinking about it, all its gonna do is piss you off and you would be an ass to your SO without present time reason. Whatever you two went through and walked over should stay under your feet. I feel you, I went through the same :) Dont worry, its just gonna get better with time.
 
madbomber31 said:
too late... she forced the issue and i was tired of thinking about it so i reacted.


she brought up a fight that got physical... we were arguing and i was finished so i got up to leave the room, she grabbed me and i tried to push by her... so she grabbed tight and i took her by both arms and spun her around and threw her on the bed...

that was it... physical? yes.. abusive, not in my mind..

she pulled out that i'm 5 minutes away from doing that again and thats how i am. thats not me... i havent jacked a bitch since 2nd grade...

i shall change my name to mad white trash!


28k after marriage... and leaching further wealth during marriage isn't white trash?

Good luck K-Fed. ;)
 
HumanTarget said:
Michigan isn't the best place on earth to try and scratch out a living.


Thank you. :)
 
madbomber31 said:
we are talking and will attempt to work this out.. i'm not ready to be divorced and i love her, i love my life... i just want to have my alone time.

i'm much more calm today... the lies she told were 2 years ago and every now and then they just piss me off out of the blue and it give me so many doubts.

i have such a temper and i fly off the handle very quick... i say very hurtful things to her and i really dont mean them but it's my way of trying to get her to leave or to hate me so she wont talk to me.

growing pains...



oh, and bikinimom, you are a psycho nutjob bitch, your opinion means as much to me as the piles of dog shit i'm picking up today.

HEhehehehehhehehheeee

My opinion?

Darlin - you just posted up what a loser YOU are. I feel sorry for your wife to be married to a man of your years who is about as mature as a 16 year old pup.

I busted my ass for 13 years and took a beat down before I kicked my ex to the curb. But you want to divorce a woman who all but supports your loser ASS because she wont put up with YOUR childishness?

LMFAO

Oh yea.... didnt you hear? DYFUS is now investigating my ex for submitting evidence that points to HIM for abuse. Yup. My pediatrician, the school and DYFUS are now backing me. I had to talk my kids into going out with him today for father's day. Told them not to let the fact that he is a selfish jerk get in the way of THEIR pleasure, that no amount of kicking and screaming will fix this today. "Go have fun baby. Be safe and love each other. All of this will be fixed, but not today."

Somehow I dont think that you are the type that would be able to set your own feelings of hurt aside for what is best for someone else.

This bastard has robbed me of many weeks of being with my kids.

so FUCK YOU.

And to reiterate - I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR WIFE. ;)

But thanks for asking. :)
 
BIKINIMOM said:
HEhehehehehhehehheeee

My opinion?

Darlin - you just posted up what a loser YOU are. I feel sorry for your wife to be married to a man of your years who is about as mature as a 16 year old pup.

I busted my ass for 13 years and took a beat down before I kicked my ex to the curb. But you want to divorce a woman who all but supports your loser ASS because she wont put up with YOUR childishness?

LMFAO

Oh yea.... didnt you hear? DYFUS is now investigating my ex for submitting evidence that points to HIM for abuse. Yup. My pediatrician, the school and DYFUS are now backing me. I had to talk my kids into going out with him today for father's day. Told them not to let the fact that he is a selfish jerk get in the way of THEIR pleasure, that no amount of kicking and screaming will fix this today. "Go have fun baby. Be safe and love each other. All of this will be fixed, but not today."

Somehow I dont think that you are the type that would be able to set your own feelings of hurt aside for what is best for someone else.

This bastard has robbed me of many weeks of being with my kids.

so FUCK YOU.

And to reiterate - I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR WIFE. ;)

But thanks for asking. :)

hey hey
ho ho
this penis parties got to go
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
28k after marriage... and leaching further wealth during marriage isn't white trash?

Good luck K-Fed. ;)


i guess in my line of work it's not about the money and i'm willing to live with that...
 
glad to see you are trying to work that out.

Are you a teacher by chance? That would make sense - you work with children because you don't know how to deal with adult problems.

Hopefully that changes as you get older.
 
our biology doesn't even support the concept of marriage
98% of male sperm is designed for killing other sperm
women are constructed to have multiple partners(no refractory period etc)
the shape of the penis(larger head) is designed to draw the semen of the previous dude out as he thrusts in
 
Sounds like a silly fight that just had the "D" word thrown out as a dagger. Try to make a point to never say the "D" word in the heat of a passionate argument. You need to think about whether you really want to do that. If you don't, you better go talk to her soon!
 
Sorry to hear you are going through this bro. Sad thing is, you are the only person qualified to make the call too. Sucks being alone, but you'll always be alone when its time to make a big call.

And ignore the detractors. There will always be people ready to kick you when you are down.
 
4everhung said:
our biology doesn't even support the concept of marriage
98% of male sperm is designed for killing other sperm
women are constructed to have multiple partners(no refractory period etc)
the shape of the penis(larger head) is designed to draw the semen of the previous dude out as he thrusts in


you know too much about semen and dicks
 
Concerning the lying by her a couple years back.....I've been there done that.

No matter how much you want to forgive and forget, it is never the same after a partner has told lies. It is always going to be in the back of your mind. Usually once a liar always a liar is what I have experienced.

Now I dump the girl if she lies to me. There's no way I would put trust into someone like that no matter how much he/she apologized and repented.
 
mrplunkey said:
Sorry to hear you are going through this bro. Sad thing is, you are the only person qualified to make the call too. Sucks being alone, but you'll always be alone when its time to make a big call.

And ignore the detractors. There will always be people ready to kick you when you are down.

Sort of ironic now that the shoe is on the other foot.... eh?
 
BIKINIMOM said:
Sort of ironic now that the shoe is on the other foot.... eh?
No, there isn't any irony here. The guy is clearly going through one of those life-changing tough times. When someone is in that position, I personally think there is no excuse for making a bad thing worse. There's too much misery and suffering out there anyway.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Madbomber glad to see you are working it out.

FG how long have you and your husband been married?
little over 7 years. We struggled the first 3 years not knowing what we want, wanting our freedom but not wanting it at the same time. Reading madbombers words here remind me exactly of how we felt. And here I thought that we were the only ones
 
mrplunkey said:
No, there isn't any irony here. The guy is clearly going through one of those life-changing tough times. When someone is in that position, I personally think there is no excuse for making a bad thing worse. There's too much misery and suffering out there anyway.

Funny how he was less than sympathetic when he was looking down on us mere mortals from his ivory tower.

Forgive me if I dont break out my violin for a man that clearly knows nothing about life. For he is quick to judge about topics that he knows zilch about, offering zero helpfull comments and actually gleans pleasure from kicking someone else when they are down then seeks sympathy and/or guidance for "simple shit" that goes on in his own life.

My original comments, though very blunt and cutting, ARE helpfull as they were designed specifically to provoke thought on Mr Bomber's part as to just how ridiculous he sounds.

Not catching an attitude with you, Mr Plunkey - only pointing out my "personal issues" with Mr Bomber.

I think AAP's comments are a scream and quite eloquently point out just how dumb Mr Bomber sounds.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
Funny how he was less than sympathetic when he was looking down on us mere mortals from his ivory tower.

Forgive me if I dont break out my violin for a man that clearly knows nothing about life. For he is quick to judge about topics that he knows zilch about, offering zero helpfull comments and actually gleans pleasure from kicking someone else when they are down then seeks sympathy and/or guidance for "simple shit" that goes on in his own life.

My original comments, though very blunt and cutting, ARE helpfull as they were designed specifically to provoke thought on Mr Bomber's part as to just how ridiculous he sounds.

Not catching an attitude with you, Mr Plunkey - only pointing out my "personal issues" with Mr Bomber.

I think AAP's comments are a scream and quite eloquently point out just how dumb Mr Bomber sounds.
Well I don't know "Mr Bomber" from Adam, but I still can't figure-out why kicking anyone when they are down helps anything.

I can appreciate crushing someone physically and/or emotionally -- probably moreso than the average guy even. I just don't understand it when no one stands to gain anything from it. Maybe its just satisfying to some.
 
mrplunkey said:
Well I don't know "Mr Bomber" from Adam, but I still can't figure-out why kicking anyone when they are down helps anything.

I can appreciate crushing someone physically and/or emotionally -- probably moreso than the average guy even. I just don't understand it when no one stands to gain anything from it. Maybe its just satisfying to some.

Well when you figure it out, let me know because I dont have clue one as to why this site seems to have so many of them. Mr Bomber happens to be one, hence my "irony" comment.
 
BM, irony would be if i spanked my wife and she called dyfus on me cuz i wasnt fit to raise a child.
 
madbomber31 said:
BM, irony would be if i spanked my wife and she called dyfus on me cuz i wasnt fit to raise a child.

LOL

In case you didnt hear... DYFUS dont like it when evidence of abuse is not consistant with allegations.

Imagine a court stripped you of the right to see your children because of that.... but you have the audacity to say shit to me?

Fuck you.

I dont feel the least bit sorry for you and your CREATED problems.
 
madbomber31 said:
i guess in my line of work it's not about the money and i'm willing to live with that...


I meant living off of wife's higher income is more white trash than working for yourself regardless of income. :)
 
4everhung said:
our biology doesn't even support the concept of marriage
98% of male sperm is designed for killing other sperm
women are constructed to have multiple partners(no refractory period etc)
the shape of the penis(larger head) is designed to draw the semen of the previous dude out as he thrusts in


?? wtf is this shit true?! I understand the first line but......damn.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
LOL

In case you didnt hear... DYFUS dont like it when evidence of abuse is not consistant with allegations.

Imagine a court stripped you of the right to see your children because of that.... but you have the audacity to say shit to me?

Fuck you.

I dont feel the least bit sorry for you and your CREATED problems.

well, unlike you i dont need people to feel sorry for me... BM, you are worthless and i will not respond to you again on this thread. like many here i've read numerous rants about how you've been wronged.. i just made a post about an issue i was dealing with... it helped me vent, thats it. i did not cry about being wronged or ruined by someone else. you can tell me how i did this or i deserve that, no biggy.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
I meant living off of wife's higher income is more white trash than working for yourself regardless of income. :)


wife works for the same organization as me... makes a little less money per year but is also a little younger.


things will be fine in time.. i believe heatherrae?? hit the nail on the head.

either that or i'm bipolar.
 
madbomber31 said:
wife works for the same organization as me... makes a little less money per year but is also a little younger.


things will be fine in time.. i believe heatherrae?? hit the nail on the head.

either that or i'm bipolar.
heatherrae? In this thread? Or Musclemom?
 
HeatherRae said:
Sounds like a silly fight that just had the "D" word thrown out as a dagger. Try to make a point to never say the "D" word in the heat of a passionate argument. You need to think about whether you really want to do that. If you don't, you better go talk to her soon!


yes, her... this quote here.

and you also helped calm me and lesson some worry/anxiety talking about how you felt the same way early in your marriage. musclemom for sure was a help as well.


like i said before though, this is just a place to vent and get some thoughts... maybe sort out my own, etc...
 
madbomber31 said:
yes, her... this quote here.

and you also helped calm me and lesson some worry/anxiety talking about how you felt the same way early in your marriage. musclemom for sure was a help as well.


like i said before though, this is just a place to vent and get some thoughts... maybe sort out my own, etc...
:)

and yeah, she was right. I totally agree with her too.

Its good to vent, but just dont vent too much on this forum. You would be better off doing it in PMs :)
 
foreigngirl said:
:)

and yeah, she was right. I totally agree with her too.

Its good to vent, but just dont vent too much on this forum. You would be better off doing it in PMs :)


nah, i dont PM anyone here... i never had that clique type connection on here. besides, i dont care what anyone thinks of me, it's just a bunch of internet personas that i will never come in real world contact with.
 
madbomber31 said:
nah, i dont PM anyone here... i never had that clique type connection on here. besides, i dont care what anyone thinks of me, it's just a bunch of internet personas that i will never come in real world contact with.
if it doesnt bother you and you feel better doing it, go for it. Its like free therapy..lol
 
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