Oh Crap, I'm screwed

[distanced]

ok, I was getting a hair cut. Just trimming up the high and tight as usual. My stylist is like, you know your hair line is starting to receed. She had never noticed it before today. This is week 5 of fina, could that have caused it? I honestly wouldn't care, but I'm 21 years old and it doesn't fall in my family. What do you think?

 

[SkipperJackson]

Man, I'm fuckin 21 too, and guess what i did FINA and started to bald, I fuckin pissed... I have mad thick hair and i was like "what the hell, but i had a lil bald spot on the back of my head, and.. SO i was like FUCK That, I'm never using FINA again, and i'm not going to... I quickly got some rogain, and used it for like 3 days straight or something, than got lazy and didnt use it anymore, but anyways my hair grew back like 2 months after i stopped using FINA. That was too close tho, everyone was like hey u're going bald, and i was like I'm 21 i'm too young.. it feels wack man, i agree, not a good feeling, but its all good, the hair is back. So good luck man, and fight for your hair man.

 

[40butpumpin]

Yeah good ol' fina. It'll do quite a number on your prostate too. I shave my head so I don't care about my hairline but I do care about my prostate. That stuff is bad news any way you look at it IMO.

 

[CanadianBro]

Unfortunately, it is the fina.

My suggestion would be to discontinue the Fina if you are truly concerned about your hairline.

There is really nothing effiecient at combatting the hair problem Fina causes. Stick with Deca ot Test (with Minoxidil, Propecia, Spiro, Nizoral etc..)

I had the same problem and have never used Tren since.

 

[icelandic]

Fina is an all-around assault on your body. Not only your musculature, but just about every organ system as well. I know there are a lot of guys here that love the stuff, but IMO the benefits are not really worth the sides.

Hey CB, I care about both my hairline (I'm vain) and my prostate (I hate a painful piss). I love saw palmetto for prostate relief, just enough to reduce swelling without plunging dht levels. Also nizoral shampoo is the bomb, esp great when combined with topical spiro. This combination reversed my pre-steroid MPB.

 

[biteme]

Remember if you don't have MPB in your genes, no amount of AAS will make you lose your hair. If you are going to lose hair anyway, it will accelerate the process depending on the type of AAS.

 

[CanadianBro]

Remember if you don't have MPB in your genes, no amount of AAS will make you lose your hair. If you are going to lose hair anyway, it will accelerate the process depending on the type of AAS.

Very good point however the scary part is no one really knows if they have MPB (or how severe it is)

It is, and always will be, a guessing game

 

[icelandic]

Remember if you don't have MPB in your genes, no amount of AAS will make you lose your hair. If you are going to lose hair anyway, it will accelerate the process depending on the type of AAS.

That may not be exactly true. Most people have (to one degree or another) incresed 5ar enzyme levels in their scalp and/or crown. The crucial factor is "how many" are present relative to their own endogenous test production. Someone who would never otherwise develop MPB may notice hair loss once supra-physiological levels of androgen are introduced.

 

[thate]

Man, I'm fuckin 21 too, and guess what i did FINA and started to bald, I fuckin pissed... I have mad thick hair and i was like "what the hell, but i had a lil bald spot on the back of my head, and.. SO i was like FUCK That, I'm never using FINA again, and i'm not going to... I quickly got some rogain, and used it for like 3 days straight or something, than got lazy and didnt use it anymore, but anyways my hair grew back like 2 months after i stopped using FINA. That was too close tho, everyone was like hey u're going bald, and i was like I'm 21 i'm too young.. it feels wack man, i agree, not a good feeling, but its all good, the hair is back. So good luck man, and fight for your hair man.

LMAO! Sorry man that was too funny.

 

[buffdoc]

OK, this is NOT MPB (androgenetic alopecia), if the hair is falling out that fast. I read a lot here about "I used such and such AAS for so many weeks and started losing my hair, then I quit and it came back, thank God".
AA, or Androgenetic Alopecia (common male pattern baldness) is a progressive process of miniaturization of the hairs, under the influence of genetics and androgens, and time. Under these influences, with each cycle of hair growth (resting stage: telogen and growth stage:anagen) the anagen phase gets shorter and shorter, and the hair becomes finer and loses length. Eventually, after a number of cycles, the hair becomes baby fine and then is lost for good.
AA does NOT occur as a sudden "falling out" of the hair. However, there is an entity known as "telogen effluvium" (TE), which is essentially a mass shedding (many of the hairs simultaneously go into the telogen, or resting, phase, and fall out). This almost always comes back after the precipitating stress is over.
TE is more common in women (think: post pregnancy hair loss, etc), but can occur w/ men too. Any stress can stimulate this reaction: trauma, surgery, burns, emotional stress; also, the most commonly known one: cancer chemotherapy!
Perhaps Fina is such a stressor!?
At any rate, because of its nature, TE is NOT helped by finasteride, minoxidil, Nizoral, etc, as was correctly stated. Only time will tell.
My point here is that these tales of RAPID hair shedding under the influence of AAS are not AA; they are something else.
Let me know if anyone's interested in a longer, more complete post about the state of the art in hair loss and hair preservation/replacement in the future. It's a side interest of mine: I gave 3 lectures at the recent meeting of the International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery in October.
If there's a lot of interest, I'll put together a post; O/W, I'll chill into the New Year!
Best to everybody...

 

[Frackal]

Exceptionally interested buffdoc....please post it up

 

[buffdoc]

Exceptionally interested buffdoc....please post it up

Thanks, bro. Would it be best put up on the anabolic board? That's where i usually post, seems to be where hair loss comes up the most.

 

[BigD50]

Hair failing out I was thinking 21 was a little young to be hitting the AS and then on to Fina also.

 

[geoboy]

Stick with Deca ot Test (with Minoxidil, Propecia, Spiro, Nizoral etc..) (to minimize hairloss)
.

No Proscar/propecia/finasteride when doing Deca/nandrolones. 5-AR actually reduces Deca to DHN (instead of dht) which is less androgenic then test or dht or unreduced deca. using the finasterides will actually make deca a hair-killer.

 

[geoboy]

Let me know if anyone's interested in a longer, more complete post about the state of the art in hair loss and hair preservation/replacement in the future. It's a side interest of mine:If there's a lot of interest, I'll put together a post; O/W, I'll chill into the New Year!
Best to everybody...

YES YES YES please do post a treatise on hairloss.

 

[geoboy]

OK, this is NOT MPB (androgenetic alopecia), if the hair is falling out that fast. I read a lot here about "I used such and such AAS for so many weeks and started losing my hair, then I quit and it came back, thank God".
AA, or Androgenetic Alopecia (common male pattern baldness) is a progressive process of miniaturization of the hairs, under the influence of genetics and androgens, and time. Under these influences, with each cycle of hair growth (resting stage: telogen and growth stage:anagen) the anagen phase gets shorter and shorter, and the hair becomes finer and loses length. Eventually, after a number of cycles, the hair becomes baby fine and then is lost for good.
AA does NOT occur as a sudden "falling out" of the hair. However, there is an entity known as "telogen effluvium" (TE), which is essentially a mass shedding (many of the hairs simultaneously go into the telogen, or resting, phase, and fall out). This almost always comes back after the precipitating stress is over.
TE is more common in women (think: post pregnancy hair loss, etc), but can occur w/ men too. Any stress can stimulate this reaction: trauma, surgery, burns, emotional stress; also, the most commonly known one: cancer chemotherapy!
Perhaps Fina is such a stressor!?
At any rate, because of its nature, TE is NOT helped by finasteride, minoxidil, Nizoral, etc, as was correctly stated. Only time will tell.
My point here is that these tales of RAPID hair shedding under the influence of AAS are not AA; they are something else.
Let me know if anyone's interested in a longer, more complete post about the state of the art in hair loss and hair preservation/replacement in the future. It's a side interest of mine: I gave 3 lectures at the recent meeting of the International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery in October.
If there's a lot of interest, I'll put together a post; O/W, I'll chill into the New Year!
Best to everybody...

I had come to this hypothesis myself based on same reasoning after I suffered such an episode .

what do you think about using copper peptide products (like folligen) to reduce inflamation at the follicle or bulb to prevent such stressor/drug-induced TE's??

 

[thate]

I had come to this hypothesis myself based on same reasoning after I suffered such an episode .

what do you think about using copper peptide products (like folligen) to reduce inflamation at the follicle or bulb to prevent such stressor/drug-induced TE's??

I use folligen along with nioxin shampoo and haven't lost any hair due to juice yet. MPB runs in my family also.

 

[Anthanaric]

Fina, Kidney Pain, Transdermal, Baldness and Fina

I lost a little hair were a receding hairline starts using fina.


I was using it transdermal. I used like 1.5 grams in an application. I was on a injection cycle a few months ago and this wasn't a problem.

I thought maybe because it was a transdermal application because the Fina was circulation in the skin. I applied it on my quads arms and chest but I could feel it on my scalp. My hands were saturated with the shit and I thought maybe I put my hands in my hair and that did.

At any rate, I hope it grows back.

I stopped the injections because I felt some serious pain in my back, kidneys which I feel the ol "magic solution" caused. I don't trust the MS shit.

Transdermal the kidney pain hasn't increased. I think I have to be more careful, use less, and use it primarily on my quads.




Anthanaric