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NPP dosage amounts

BBBBig Phenom

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Well, Been asking around to some different people. And I am getting mixed results on what the dossage amount of NPP should be.

Now I am taking it currently at 100mg EOD for 6 weeks...Some say that is good, some say more, some say WAY more..

this is my current cycle....What would you do with the NPP??

Weeks 1 - 20

test e 500mg per/week
EQ 600mg per/week

week 1 -6

NPP 100mg EOD.

come on..give me your input..
 
BBBBig Phenom said:
Well, Been asking around to some different people. And I am getting mixed results on what the dossage amount of NPP should be.

Now I am taking it currently at 100mg EOD for 6 weeks...Some say that is good, some say more, some say WAY more..

this is my current cycle....What would you do with the NPP??

Weeks 1 - 20

test e 500mg per/week
EQ 600mg per/week

week 1 -6

NPP 100mg EOD.

come on..give me your input..


im on 300mgs of npp and 300mgs of deca... i love how the npp kicks in fast and its keep much leaner then just 600mgs of deca
 
100mgs of npp monday weds friday
and 300mgs of deca on mondays

600mgs of nandrolone a week

and 800mgs of different esters od testosterone a week
 
BBBBig Phenom said:
Well, Been asking around to some different people. And I am getting mixed results on what the dossage amount of NPP should be.

Now I am taking it currently at 100mg EOD for 6 weeks...Some say that is good, some say more, some say WAY more..

this is my current cycle....What would you do with the NPP??

Weeks 1 - 20

test e 500mg per/week
EQ 600mg per/week

week 1 -6

NPP 100mg EOD.

come on..give me your input..



NPP and Deca release the same amount of nandrolone on a mg to mg basis. you are taking 100 EOD, that is 700mg per week. you are fine.
 
Bro,
Just started test E 500 ew and npp as a kickstart. Thinking about maybey also adding eq. My last run 100 mg eod seemed fine to me. I ran 150 prop/100mg npp eod. The cycle was excellent. However, after seeing Ulter's post though, I'm thinking about doubling the npp
 
the question i would like to know is how long? i see everyone running npp for 6 or 8 weeks. what about 10, 12 or 15 weeks?
 
Knight9 said:
the question i would like to know is how long? i see everyone running npp for 6 or 8 weeks. what about 10, 12 or 15 weeks?
ill let ya know... its no different then reg deca, just diff ester
 
Illuminati said:
NPP and Deca release the same amount of nandrolone on a mg to mg basis. you are taking 100 EOD, that is 700mg per week. you are fine.
100mg eod every other day will actually come out too 350mg/week average
i know you miss read at ed or every day so im not flaming you brotha
and i agree with the mg to mg basis so....
on to the first question
if you have responded to deca well at that dose then i would imagine you will respond to that dosage in npp as well

a shorter run of npp should be more succesful than a short run of deca because of the delay in buiding up the blood levels with the longer deca ester
but how about increase to 8 weeks as i feel this will be similar to a 10 week run of deca in gains
for me 300mg of deca/week with tes worked great

this is me, others will disagree
 
let me rephrase.... the time u run npp, as opposed to deca wont matter because npp is hitting me after week 3...so anytime above and beyond 3 weeks is when ur feeling it and things just get bigger better and stronger.... now with deca, i would say ay week after 6-7 u get bigger stronger and better.


in essence the time u run its doesnt matter ur getting noticeable effects after week 3 with npp and week 7 with deca


these are my "kick in" tiimes anyways
 
I have read about NPP, but have not used it, sounds interesting, well more than interesting, want to try it, after I read a little more.


Could you please tell me again, what does NPP stand for?

How is it different than deca,


Thank you in advance,


And please don’t ask me to do a search, trust me I have,
 
solidspine said:
I have read about NPP, but have not used it, sounds interesting, well more than interesting, want to try it, after I read a little more.


Could you please tell me again, what does NPP stand for?

How is it different than deca,


Thank you in advance,


And please don’t ask me to do a search, trust me I have,


Nandrolone Phenylpropionate

it is different from Deca due to the ester attached. Deca is nandrolone decaonate. Decaonate is a longer acting ester in comparison to phenylpropionate
 
Okay, let's clear some of this up.
When you use deca you build up a huge blood level of nandrolone because it lasts so long and it compounds because you're shooting it every 3 or 4 days.
That blood level is not as high when you use NPP because it doesn't last or compound as long.
If you're using 300mg of deca on your cycle you should use twice that or 600mg of NPP.
 
according to bill roberts, given proper dose timing, steroid esters are equal in strength on a mg to mg basis

so the half life of nandrolone Phenylpropionate is either 1 day or 4.5 days depending on who you believe
so if you believe or know that the half life of nandrolone Phenylpropionate is 4.5 days a dose of 100mg every 2 days will be equavilent to 350 mg nandrolone decanoate given every 6 days or 175mg every 3 days
if the half life is 1 day it should be given every day or twice a day divided up to equal 350mg every 6 days
so to this i say as long as you divide the doses correctly 350mg of nandrolone is 350mg nandrolone
but hell this also comes to who you believe
however bill has some impresive credentials and good references for this article
note to lanky above is a summary of the pertinent portion of an article in plain language. try it some times :p :p :p :p :p

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/anabolic-steroid-esters.htm
Bill Roberts said:
How can the greatly higher anabolic effects of the long chain esters be explained?
While the authors do not make note of it in either article cited, there is a simple explanation for the observed result. Long chain esters of anabolic steroids are not many more times potent than short chain, if indeed they are any more potent at all. Yet in the above study, the undecanoate ester was found to give 3.5 times the effect of the propionate ester. Why?

There is a difference in pharmacokinetics (the time course of the drug in the body). Although the same 1 mg dose is being given in each case, it is either present in the serum of the animal at a relatively high concentration for a relatively short time for the shorter chain esters, or at lower concentration for a longer time for the longer chain esters. This difference can be quite large: the undecanoate ester can be predicted to have a half-life 36 times longer than that of the propionate ester.3

With most drugs, response is not proportional to the dose, but to the log of the dose. Assuming that the dose is well into the effective range, taking ¼ the dose does not result in only ¼ the result, but in ½ the result.

Viewed in this light, if the nandrolone propionate had been given in 36 divided doses over the same length of time that nandrolone undecanoate was in the system, in a manner to match its pharmacokinetics, one would expect 1/6 the result from each individual dose before accounting for molecular weight differences. The cumulative response would be 36 times 1/6, or six times the observed result from the single large dose. If we then correct for the lower molecular weight of the propionate ester, which delivers more nandrolone per mg. than does the undecanoate ester, we would predict 3.3 times more response than from the single large dose. In fact the observed response of the undecanoate ester was 3.5 times that of the propionate ester. This difference is within experimental error.

This calculation I have performed is also supported by experimental evidence performed by van der Vies4. His research showed that when the dose of nandrolone was divided into frequent small injections in such a pattern as to mimic the pharmacokinetics of esters, the anabolic effect became identical to that of the esters.Thus, pharmacokinetics, the log dose/response curve, and differences in molecular weight are sufficient to account for observed differences in anabolic effect between different esters of an anabolic steroid, or between an ester and the parent drug.

This correlates with my observation that anabolic effect of testosterone esters is equal, so long as each is administered reasonably frequently: at least once per half-life, and preferably twice. E.g., if testosterone propionate yielding some given amount of testosterone per week is administered daily, or at least every other day, it will give results comparable to testosterone cypionate administered at least once every week, and preferably twice per week, that yields the same amount of testosterone per week..
 
acneman said:
according to bill roberts, given proper dose timing, steroid esters are equal in strength on a mg to mg basis

so the half life of nandrolone Phenylpropionate is either 1 day or 4.5 days depending on who you believe
so if you believe or know that the half life of nandrolone Phenylpropionate is 4.5 days a dose of 100mg every 2 days will be equavilent to 350 mg nandrolone decanoate given every 6 days or 175mg every 3 days
if the half life is 1 day it should be given every day or twice a day divided up to equal 350mg every 6 days
so to this i say as long as you divide the doses correctly 350mg of nandrolone is 350mg nandrolone
but hell this also comes to who you believe
however bill has some impresive credentials and good references for this article
note to lanky above is a summary of the pertinent portion of an article in plain language. try it some times :p :p :p :p :p

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/anabolic-steroid-esters.htm

They are equal mg for mg if you dose them differently? Well.... yeah.
That's just compensating for the fact that they aren't going to give you equal blood levels if you dose them the same by changing how often and how much you dose. Which of course means they are not the same mg for mg in your blood.
 
Thank you, all,


I have not done deca in about 4 years, if I were thinking about Deca I think I would do about 500mg per week.

So is it recommended I take 1000mg per week of NPP?


What is the advantage of NPP over Deca?


Thanks in advance.
 
Ulter said:
They are equal mg for mg if you dose them differently? Well.... yeah.
That's just compensating for the fact that they aren't going to give you equal blood levels if you dose them the same by changing how often and how much you dose. Which of course means they are not the same mg for mg in your blood.
despite my vow to never directly reply to one of your posts again i will say that you misread.

equal dosing by mg's in a time period
different dosing by number of divided doses in a given time period

350mg once per week deca for two weeks(total 700mg over 2 weeks)
is equal to
100mg npp every other day for 2 weeks(total 700mg over 2 weeks)

so go ahead and bomb me for disagreeing with you (you too mike)
but read the article i posted and tell me where i made my mistake
because i dont think i made one

solidspine said:
Thank you, all,
I have not done deca in about 4 years, if I were thinking about Deca I think I would do about 500mg per week.
So is it recommended I take 1000mg per week of NPP?
What is the advantage of NPP over Deca?
Thanks in advance.
i disagree with that solid
you know im your buddy and i would not tell you something i didnt believe whole heartedly
500mg npp will give you the same results as 500mg deca if you inject it often enough
and i wouldnt run a gram of nandrolone/week ever
 
acneman said:
so if you believe or know that the half life of nandrolone Phenylpropionate is 4.5 days a dose of 100mg every 2 days will be equavilent to 350 mg nandrolone decanoate given every 7 (averaged over every 2 weeks)days or 175mg every 3 days
if the half life is 1 day it should be given every day or twice a day divided up to equal 350mg every 7 days
so to this i say as long as you divide the doses correctly 350mg of nandrolone is 350mg nandrolone
i should have said 7 days instead of 6
its in red
also 100mg every other day is 350mg/week averaged over every 2 weeks also in red
i dont thinks this caused any confusion but if it did
sorry
 
solidspine said:
No I would not run that much, thanks


Last question

Deca I just inject once a week


Is that the case for NPP?
no
according to its half life posted on many web sites
it is 1 day half life or 4.5 days half life
if you believe the day halflife then its every day
if you believe the 4.5 days you can go every 4 days or 3 days or best every other day

mabey someone can clarify the actual half life for me
 
I just ran NPP for the last 6 weeks of my cycle and loved it! I agree with acneman's comments and admire his gentleman like replys when he has a different opinion to express.
I ran 150/mg every 3rd day. Went to 200/mg E3D the last 2 weeks and didn't notice any difference. I will use it from now on in every cycle I run. Lubes up my joints and hardend me up nice.
D
 
I'm just finising my prop and NPP cycle..... Prop is 100mg ED and NPP is 100mg EOD... seems to have worked decently.... though I didn't get as big (read: blow up) as I do on deca... not sure if I would try NPP again, unless if I'm looking for fast, more solid gains, and less bulk.

Ulter, so you're saying that if one uses 600mg deca typically in a cycle, they should use 1200mg of NPP?
 
njmuscleguy said:
I'm just finising my prop and NPP cycle..... Prop is 100mg ED and NPP is 100mg EOD... seems to have worked decently.... though I didn't get as big (read: blow up) as I do on deca... not sure if I would try NPP again, unless if I'm looking for fast, more solid gains, and less bulk.

Ulter, so you're saying that if one uses 600mg deca typically in a cycle, they should use 1200mg of NPP?

I have the upmost respect for Ulter and his help on the boards, however I would like to hear some more views on this subject as well. I was under the impression that you didn't need near as much of the shorter acting ethers. If you did a gram a week of test e, you certainly wouldn't run 2000/mg a week of prop! I loved NPP and it seems like it's just catching on as a a great choice in a cycle. Hopefully we can get some more clairification on this topic.
D
 
I agree,

Also very intrigued by NPP


I see this as a potential cycle




NPP weeks 1-12 100mg EOD
Tren weeks 1-6 75mg ED
Test E weeks 1-12 600mg per week
Winny weeks 7-12 50mg ED
D-bol weeks 1-6 50mg ED


Very tired tonight,

do you guys see a problem with d-bol and Tren together for the first 6 weeks,

Thanks
 
solidspine said:
I agree,

Also very intrigued by NPP


I see this as a potential cycle




NPP weeks 1-12 100mg EOD
Tren weeks 1-6 75mg ED
Test E weeks 1-12 600mg per week
Winny weeks 7-12 50mg ED
D-bol weeks 1-6 50mg ED


Very tired tonight,

do you guys see a problem with d-bol and Tren together for the first 6 weeks,

Thanks


Save on the number of pokes and do this:

1-12 NPP 200mg e3d
1-12 Test E 250mg E3D
1-6 Tren E 75mg ED
7-12 Winny 50mg Ed

I would not run 12 weeks of orals - Thats just me.. PLus I hate D-Bol. I have never had the balls to run NPP and Tren at the same time, Howver I frequently switch from one to the other and back every 6 weeks or so.
 
an easy way for me to split it up is shooting M, W, F every week.
i have never introduced my body to any type of nandralone yet....
so when i do NPP i am unsure whether i want to do 450 or 600 per week....
and for how many weeks i am not sure of either..
 
nandrolone is nandrolone just like test is test. You dont run 500mgs of test e and then 1000mgs of test prop and think its the same dosage.

npp and deca is the same. One is just faster acting than the other.
I say ALWAYS inject every day or at least every other day no matter what kind of ester you are using. The best way to keep blood levels stable is to inject your dose as frequent and on the same schedule as possible. That goes for long esters also.

I inject everything I use every day no matter what it is and my sides are not nearly as bad as when I do the whole once a week deal. Also you are injecting alot LESS liquid into your muscles than if you injected once a week
 
treneriffic said:
nandrolone is nandrolone just like test is test. You dont run 500mgs of test e and then 1000mgs of test prop and think its the same dosage.

npp and deca is the same. One is just faster acting than the other.
I say ALWAYS inject every day or at least every other day no matter what kind of ester you are using. The best way to keep blood levels stable is to inject your dose as frequent and on the same schedule as possible. That goes for long esters also.

I inject everything I use every day no matter what it is and my sides are not nearly as bad as when I do the whole once a week deal. Also you are injecting alot LESS liquid into your muscles than if you injected once a week
i agree with the nan is nan but im still gonna slow down my injections with long esters
not that im sayin your wrong
it seems logical to me but damn thats a lot of sticks
 
350mg once per week deca for two weeks(total 700mg over 2 weeks)
is equal to
100mg npp every other day for 2 weeks(total 700mg over 2 weeks)
Right but the blood level of this repeated dosing would not be the same. That's my point. By the 6th week your blood levels would be nearly twice as high with deca as with NPP.
 
this is a good thread. I am going to hit NNP at 100mg or 150mg EOD for 6 weeks :Popcorn: .

Thanks for all of the post and the debate on the topic.
 
Ulter said:
Right but the blood level of this repeated dosing would not be the same. That's my point. By the 6th week your blood levels would be nearly twice as high with deca as with NPP.
given the half life of deca
at a weekly dose of 350mg
at the end of week 2(remember these are aproximations)before your next shot you will have an esterified level of nearly 260mg deca meaning you used aprox 440mg of non ester nandrolone in 2 weeks or around 220mg/week
at the end of week 6 before your next shot you will have an esterified level of nearly 350mg of deca
meaning maintaining that dosage will give you 350mg of non ester nandrolone used per week
at the end of week 2 with npp if the half life is 4.5 days you will have less than 200mg esterified npp meaning you got over 500 mg nandrolone released from ester and used
at 4 weeks of npp 100mg/eod you will have an esterified level of almost 300mg npp meaning you are getting 400mg non esterified nandrolone per week

npp works faster because more nandrolone is released faster
deca works longer after last injection
thats it
you still get the same amount of non esterified nandrolone over time
and at 6 weeks the difference at the same dose is less than 50mg/week

on a mg to mg basis they are the same
different timing is required
i think for me a frontload of 1.5 times the dose of deca will work better as it gives a steady blood level and fewer pokes
but saying you need twice as much npp to get the same results is simply wrong
 
krishna said:
If you are prone to deca gyno and deca dick, does npp less likely to cause these?
no but if you develope the sides you will be able to get off the nandrolone quicker due to its short half life
 
acneman said:
no but if you develope the sides you will be able to get off the nandrolone quicker due to its short half life

Oh I thought it would be less likely for the same reason it doesn't cause the bloat like deca.
 
krishna said:
Oh I thought it would be less likely for the same reason it doesn't cause the bloat like deca.
well you know what
ive never done npp so i cant say that what i said is actually true
however ive heard other vets say the advantage with sides was the ability to clear the system of nandrolone quickly not that it wouldnt cause the sides
i guess i should have been more specific
however i feel that logically if nandrolone is the substance causing the sides npp should be just as bad as deca for sides occuring if not continuing past the last shot
 
acneman said:
well you know what
ive never done npp so i cant say that what i said is actually true
however ive heard other vets say the advantage with sides was the ability to clear the system of nandrolone quickly not that it wouldnt cause the sides
i guess i should have been more specific
however i feel that logically if nandrolone is the substance causing the sides npp should be just as bad as deca for sides occuring if not continuing past the last shot

i would agree with this. its the same with tren. many people use tren acetate (as opposed to enanthate) due to the fact that if they experience sides from the tren, they can get the tren acetate out of their system faster tren enanthate.


really what it is all going to boil down to is how often you want to inject. do you want to inject ED/EOD or do you want to only have 1 or 2 injections every week. pick your poison
 
Illuminati said:
i would agree with this. its the same with tren. many people use tren acetate (as opposed to enanthate) due to the fact that if they experience sides from the tren, they can get the tren acetate out of their system faster tren enanthate.


really what it is all going to boil down to is how often you want to inject. do you want to inject ED/EOD or do you want to only have 1 or 2 injections every week. pick your poison
YEP
 
acneman said:
given the half life of deca
at a weekly dose of 350mg
at the end of week 2(remember these are aproximations)before your next shot you will have an esterified level of nearly 260mg deca meaning you used aprox 440mg of non ester nandrolone in 2 weeks or around 220mg/week
at the end of week 6 before your next shot you will have an esterified level of nearly 350mg of deca
meaning maintaining that dosage will give you 350mg of non ester nandrolone used per week
at the end of week 2 with npp if the half life is 4.5 days you will have less than 200mg esterified npp meaning you got over 500 mg nandrolone released from ester and used
at 4 weeks of npp 100mg/eod you will have an esterified level of almost 300mg npp meaning you are getting 400mg non esterified nandrolone per week

npp works faster because more nandrolone is released faster
deca works longer after last injection
thats it
you still get the same amount of non esterified nandrolone over time
and at 6 weeks the difference at the same dose is less than 50mg/week

on a mg to mg basis they are the same
different timing is required
i think for me a frontload of 1.5 times the dose of deca will work better as it gives a steady blood level and fewer pokes
but saying you need twice as much npp to get the same results is simply wrong
Yes you get the same amount over time but because the longer ester compounds longer you'll have high blood levels with the deca than you will be able to achieve using the same amount of NPP. Because in the 6th week you still have deca in your from the first week while the NPP is long gone. And from the second week and the third fourth and fifth. But with NPP you'll only have nandrolone from the 4th on. Are you going to make me get out the spreadsheet and show you?
 
Ulter said:
Yes you get the same amount over time but because the longer ester compounds longer you'll have high blood levels with the deca than you will be able to achieve using the same amount of NPP. Because in the 6th week you still have deca in your from the first week while the NPP is long gone. And from the second week and the third fourth and fifth. But with NPP you'll only have nandrolone from the 4th on. Are you going to make me get out the spreadsheet and show you?
yes please
 
krishna said:
If you are prone to deca gyno and deca dick, does npp less likely to cause these?

Alot of bros don't have problems with npp that have had problems with deca. I have only done npp though.
 
Has anyone actually done 800mg of NPP??? I might just up my NPP from 230mg E3d to 345mg e3d (I have lab tested 230mg/ml NPP)
 
George Spellwin will nominate this for post of the week, in his weekly contest,
Since it is the first real discussion regarding gear in about 4 weeks, pleasant and informative.


Also Ultra pm’ed me this evening stating that he is a proponent of NPP because it give him nice Lean Muscle gains.
 
Well I am 3 weeks into this run with NPP. I added the NPP to a Test and Bold Cyp cycle. Once I added the NPP I dropped the test down. I have plenty of Stallion 230mg/ml NPP so I think I might up the dosage to 345mg e3d and see what happens. If Ulter says that is a good idea - I am willing to take his word and give that a shot. I will let everyone know what happens...

Hmm.. Maybe I will go inject a little more NPP right now... I think I hear it calling me from my safe.
 
5-600mg per week of deca or NPP seems to be the magic number, most people who have gone higher than this, have not seen a great deal of extra returns.

NPP needs to be shot at least every 3 days really.

150mg EOD was good for me.
 
what I want to know is...if NPP is so great.....and causes less sides or more controllable sides than deca.....why are so many people running it for 6 weeks. I would think 8, 12, 15 weeks would be being done..?
 
I did my last NPP cycle for 9 weeks (weird number I know, I just wanted to finish out my vials).... I don't know that I saw any significantly larger gains in the last 2-3 weeks, but I did maintain size and strength at least
 
krishna said:
If you are prone to deca gyno and deca dick, does npp less likely to cause these?


I believe you are correct in this assumption. this is my opinion gathered from countless information i've read and people's stories saying deca fucked them and npp did not.

people run deca and test together and stop them at the same time and the test wears out much quicker than the deca which for some reason can cause negative libido effects. not sure on the math, but the deconate ester is really long acting. i would go with npp, im not sure if i was just having stress issues or not but the npp gave me some severe anxiety i think. so i dropped it. was also giving me fucking crazy ass dreams and seemed to make me somewhat depressed. although like people have been saying, i wasn't getting huge off it but i was fucking rock hard. i liked the effects. but can't handle the feelings it was giving to me. i have a buddy who ran deca and said it made him goofy too. weird eh, i might be the opposite of the herd, i might be able to handle deca but not npp. i was running 100mg eod and 100mg eod prop. just running prop now, feel much better. im thinking i would try the npp again, but i would run it next to a long acting test ester and drop it about week 6 when the test kicks in, that way it's not so mind intense. but it might fuck me up again, who knows.

then again, i might try some tren A and run it along a long acting test and see how that goes. i don't think ill run two short acters neck and neck again due to how intense they seem to me. prop seems more intense than enanth and cyp did. good luck krish

the npp works though, i couldn't believe how rock solid i got by week 3.
 
njmuscleguy said:
I'm just finising my prop and NPP cycle..... Prop is 100mg ED and NPP is 100mg EOD... seems to have worked decently.... though I didn't get as big (read: blow up) as I do on deca... not sure if I would try NPP again, unless if I'm looking for fast, more solid gains, and less bulk.

Ulter, so you're saying that if one uses 600mg deca typically in a cycle, they should use 1200mg of NPP?



that's because your not seeing the water that goes away anyways
 
black sheep said:
Save on the number of pokes and do this:

1-12 NPP 200mg e3d
1-12 Test E 250mg E3D
1-6 Tren E 75mg ED
7-12 Winny 50mg Ed

I would not run 12 weeks of orals - Thats just me.. PLus I hate D-Bol. I have never had the balls to run NPP and Tren at the same time, Howver I frequently switch from one to the other and back every 6 weeks or so.



do you mean tren A? why inject tren enanthate everyday?
 
solidspine said:
George Spellwin will nominate this for post of the week, in his weekly contest,
Since it is the first real discussion regarding gear in about 4 weeks, pleasant and informative.


Also Ultra pm’ed me this evening stating that he is a proponent of NPP because it give him nice Lean Muscle gains.


dude, how bout it, how long has it been since people here have had a good discussion without getting ignorant and fighting. great thread here and george should throw everyone in this post some k for acting like proffessionals :))))
 
im running 200mg NPP E3D with 50mg winstrol ED and getting good results, of course diet and training are in check. last time i ran NPP was with dianabol but with winstrol im gaining weight but still lean. i just love NPP, its a wonderful drug with less sides then any other drug maybe primobolan of course.
 
chaquito said:
im running 200mg NPP E3D with 50mg winstrol ED and getting good results, of course diet and training are in check. last time i ran NPP was with dianabol but with winstrol im gaining weight but still lean. i just love NPP, its a wonderful drug with less sides then any other drug maybe primobolan of course.
@ 200mg e3d.. what is your actual average concentration weekly... ulter?

its less than 400 im assuming because of the half life.. im thinking around 300-400
 
Well I bumped up my dosage from 100mg eod to 150mg EOD.....So we shall see what happens... This friday will be the end of my third week....

When does this stuff start to kick in.??
 
BBBBig Phenom said:
Well I bumped up my dosage from 100mg eod to 150mg EOD.....So we shall see what happens... This friday will be the end of my third week....

When does this stuff start to kick in.??


probably already is bro, but is' gonna kick yer ass anyday now. im dieing to try this shit again but gotta make sure nobody dies around me while im on it and stresses me out. i thinks i might give deca a try. my buddy can't run tren ace but has no problems with tren enanthate. maybe this could be the same for npp for me. i know decas a bad ass for bulking. im sooo lost. :)
 
If the same steroid is esterified for a quicker versus slower release pattern (NPP vs. Decanoate) It DOES NOT mean that you need twice the amount PER WEEK. It means you should have the same amount per week but use more frequent injections.
 
Ulter said:
Right but the blood level of this repeated dosing would not be the same. That's my point. By the 6th week your blood levels would be nearly twice as high with deca as with NPP.

I disagree. Even though NPP levels stabilize fast, and deca levels continue to rise for several weeks, you have to remember -- blood levels of each start at zero. If you inject 700mg/week of something, blood levels cannot become greater than (the equivalent of) 700mg, no matter how long you let them build up. In this case, by week 6 you have injected a total of 4200mg of either NPP or deca. Just because most of the NPP has dissolved into the blood, and more of the deca has "built up" -- it doesn't mean the deca has built up in the BLOOD. The portion that is "building up" is still esterified, and waiting in the muscle for release. Eventually, the rate that the esters break down equals the rate that you inject more steroid. At this point, blood levels are stable, and blood concentrations will be equal, whether using NPP or deca. This is assuming the weight of the esters is equal, in which case more mg of deca is actually needed to equal the same amount of base steroid in NPP (because the weight of the ester in deca is greater than the weight of the ester in NPP, more is needed to provide the same amount of base steroid). Also, you can't dwell on the fact that fewer mgs of deca can potentially produce more size gains than NPP. Because the ester waits around in the muscle longer, it has more time to artomitize than NPP. The additional size gains from deca are due to estrogen.
 
SlimJim300 said:
I disagree. Even though NPP levels stabilize fast, and deca levels continue to rise for several weeks, you have to remember -- blood levels of each start at zero. If you inject 700mg/week of something, blood levels cannot become greater than (the equivalent of) 700mg, no matter how long you let them build up. In this case, by week 6 you have injected a total of 4200mg of either NPP or deca. Just because most of the NPP has dissolved into the blood, and more of the deca has "built up" -- it doesn't mean the deca has built up in the BLOOD. The portion that is "building up" is still esterified, and waiting in the muscle for release. Eventually, the rate that the esters break down equals the rate that you inject more steroid. At this point, blood levels are stable, and blood concentrations will be equal, whether using NPP or deca. This is assuming the weight of the esters is equal, in which case more mg of deca is actually needed to equal the same amount of base steroid in NPP (because the weight of the ester in deca is greater than the weight of the ester in NPP, more is needed to provide the same amount of base steroid). Also, you can't dwell on the fact that fewer mgs of deca can potentially produce more size gains than NPP. Because the ester waits around in the muscle longer, it has more time to artomitize than NPP. The additional size gains from deca are due to estrogen.



good post. makes perfect sense
 
Good post, but I am still confused. I know I have to run Deca at a lower dosage than test, but what about with NPP? If I want to run 600mg a week of cyp on my next cycle how much NPP should I run with it?

This current cycle is

1-12 Cyp 250mg twice a week
1-10 Deca 200mg twice a week
1-4 DBol 37.5mg ed
8-12 anavar 50mg ed
long term HGH 4IU ed

I am planning on going back to 200mg week of cyp for at least 12 weeks when this is over and then starting another cycle. I would like to repeat the cycle, but try it with NPP, just not sure about dose. I may also try using TBol instead of the DBol.

Thanks!

Bill
 
SlimJim300 said:
I disagree. Even though NPP levels stabilize fast, and deca levels continue to rise for several weeks, you have to remember -- blood levels of each start at zero. If you inject 700mg/week of something, blood levels cannot become greater than (the equivalent of) 700mg, no matter how long you let them build up. In this case, by week 6 you have injected a total of 4200mg of either NPP or deca. Just because most of the NPP has dissolved into the blood, and more of the deca has "built up" -- it doesn't mean the deca has built up in the BLOOD. The portion that is "building up" is still esterified, and waiting in the muscle for release. Eventually, the rate that the esters break down equals the rate that you inject more steroid. At this point, blood levels are stable, and blood concentrations will be equal, whether using NPP or deca. This is assuming the weight of the esters is equal, in which case more mg of deca is actually needed to equal the same amount of base steroid in NPP (because the weight of the ester in deca is greater than the weight of the ester in NPP, more is needed to provide the same amount of base steroid). Also, you can't dwell on the fact that fewer mgs of deca can potentially produce more size gains than NPP. Because the ester waits around in the muscle longer, it has more time to artomitize than NPP. The additional size gains from deca are due to estrogen.[/QUOTE]
blue
eventually yes but few will run those steroids long enough
however as i stated before the amounts will be close within 6 weeks

red
i dont believe this is accurate
i think the hormone must be out of ester to aromatise

overall pretty good post and in support of my position
still waitin on a spread sheet or an admission of a mistake made
 
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