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NPP dosage amounts

let me rephrase.... the time u run npp, as opposed to deca wont matter because npp is hitting me after week 3...so anytime above and beyond 3 weeks is when ur feeling it and things just get bigger better and stronger.... now with deca, i would say ay week after 6-7 u get bigger stronger and better.


in essence the time u run its doesnt matter ur getting noticeable effects after week 3 with npp and week 7 with deca


these are my "kick in" tiimes anyways
 
I have read about NPP, but have not used it, sounds interesting, well more than interesting, want to try it, after I read a little more.


Could you please tell me again, what does NPP stand for?

How is it different than deca,


Thank you in advance,


And please don’t ask me to do a search, trust me I have,
 
solidspine said:
I have read about NPP, but have not used it, sounds interesting, well more than interesting, want to try it, after I read a little more.


Could you please tell me again, what does NPP stand for?

How is it different than deca,


Thank you in advance,


And please don’t ask me to do a search, trust me I have,


Nandrolone Phenylpropionate

it is different from Deca due to the ester attached. Deca is nandrolone decaonate. Decaonate is a longer acting ester in comparison to phenylpropionate
 
Okay, let's clear some of this up.
When you use deca you build up a huge blood level of nandrolone because it lasts so long and it compounds because you're shooting it every 3 or 4 days.
That blood level is not as high when you use NPP because it doesn't last or compound as long.
If you're using 300mg of deca on your cycle you should use twice that or 600mg of NPP.
 
according to bill roberts, given proper dose timing, steroid esters are equal in strength on a mg to mg basis

so the half life of nandrolone Phenylpropionate is either 1 day or 4.5 days depending on who you believe
so if you believe or know that the half life of nandrolone Phenylpropionate is 4.5 days a dose of 100mg every 2 days will be equavilent to 350 mg nandrolone decanoate given every 6 days or 175mg every 3 days
if the half life is 1 day it should be given every day or twice a day divided up to equal 350mg every 6 days
so to this i say as long as you divide the doses correctly 350mg of nandrolone is 350mg nandrolone
but hell this also comes to who you believe
however bill has some impresive credentials and good references for this article
note to lanky above is a summary of the pertinent portion of an article in plain language. try it some times :p :p :p :p :p

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/anabolic-steroid-esters.htm
Bill Roberts said:
How can the greatly higher anabolic effects of the long chain esters be explained?
While the authors do not make note of it in either article cited, there is a simple explanation for the observed result. Long chain esters of anabolic steroids are not many more times potent than short chain, if indeed they are any more potent at all. Yet in the above study, the undecanoate ester was found to give 3.5 times the effect of the propionate ester. Why?

There is a difference in pharmacokinetics (the time course of the drug in the body). Although the same 1 mg dose is being given in each case, it is either present in the serum of the animal at a relatively high concentration for a relatively short time for the shorter chain esters, or at lower concentration for a longer time for the longer chain esters. This difference can be quite large: the undecanoate ester can be predicted to have a half-life 36 times longer than that of the propionate ester.3

With most drugs, response is not proportional to the dose, but to the log of the dose. Assuming that the dose is well into the effective range, taking ¼ the dose does not result in only ¼ the result, but in ½ the result.

Viewed in this light, if the nandrolone propionate had been given in 36 divided doses over the same length of time that nandrolone undecanoate was in the system, in a manner to match its pharmacokinetics, one would expect 1/6 the result from each individual dose before accounting for molecular weight differences. The cumulative response would be 36 times 1/6, or six times the observed result from the single large dose. If we then correct for the lower molecular weight of the propionate ester, which delivers more nandrolone per mg. than does the undecanoate ester, we would predict 3.3 times more response than from the single large dose. In fact the observed response of the undecanoate ester was 3.5 times that of the propionate ester. This difference is within experimental error.

This calculation I have performed is also supported by experimental evidence performed by van der Vies4. His research showed that when the dose of nandrolone was divided into frequent small injections in such a pattern as to mimic the pharmacokinetics of esters, the anabolic effect became identical to that of the esters.Thus, pharmacokinetics, the log dose/response curve, and differences in molecular weight are sufficient to account for observed differences in anabolic effect between different esters of an anabolic steroid, or between an ester and the parent drug.

This correlates with my observation that anabolic effect of testosterone esters is equal, so long as each is administered reasonably frequently: at least once per half-life, and preferably twice. E.g., if testosterone propionate yielding some given amount of testosterone per week is administered daily, or at least every other day, it will give results comparable to testosterone cypionate administered at least once every week, and preferably twice per week, that yields the same amount of testosterone per week..
 
acneman said:
according to bill roberts, given proper dose timing, steroid esters are equal in strength on a mg to mg basis

so the half life of nandrolone Phenylpropionate is either 1 day or 4.5 days depending on who you believe
so if you believe or know that the half life of nandrolone Phenylpropionate is 4.5 days a dose of 100mg every 2 days will be equavilent to 350 mg nandrolone decanoate given every 6 days or 175mg every 3 days
if the half life is 1 day it should be given every day or twice a day divided up to equal 350mg every 6 days
so to this i say as long as you divide the doses correctly 350mg of nandrolone is 350mg nandrolone
but hell this also comes to who you believe
however bill has some impresive credentials and good references for this article
note to lanky above is a summary of the pertinent portion of an article in plain language. try it some times :p :p :p :p :p

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/anabolic-steroid-esters.htm

They are equal mg for mg if you dose them differently? Well.... yeah.
That's just compensating for the fact that they aren't going to give you equal blood levels if you dose them the same by changing how often and how much you dose. Which of course means they are not the same mg for mg in your blood.
 
Thank you, all,


I have not done deca in about 4 years, if I were thinking about Deca I think I would do about 500mg per week.

So is it recommended I take 1000mg per week of NPP?


What is the advantage of NPP over Deca?


Thanks in advance.
 
Ulter said:
They are equal mg for mg if you dose them differently? Well.... yeah.
That's just compensating for the fact that they aren't going to give you equal blood levels if you dose them the same by changing how often and how much you dose. Which of course means they are not the same mg for mg in your blood.
despite my vow to never directly reply to one of your posts again i will say that you misread.

equal dosing by mg's in a time period
different dosing by number of divided doses in a given time period

350mg once per week deca for two weeks(total 700mg over 2 weeks)
is equal to
100mg npp every other day for 2 weeks(total 700mg over 2 weeks)

so go ahead and bomb me for disagreeing with you (you too mike)
but read the article i posted and tell me where i made my mistake
because i dont think i made one

solidspine said:
Thank you, all,
I have not done deca in about 4 years, if I were thinking about Deca I think I would do about 500mg per week.
So is it recommended I take 1000mg per week of NPP?
What is the advantage of NPP over Deca?
Thanks in advance.
i disagree with that solid
you know im your buddy and i would not tell you something i didnt believe whole heartedly
500mg npp will give you the same results as 500mg deca if you inject it often enough
and i wouldnt run a gram of nandrolone/week ever
 
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