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Hi Everyone,
I’m a little confused as I have been getting contradicting opinions from the people on the forums compared to the people I talk to in real life about my first steroid cycle.
I decided to post my question here because elitefitness seems to have to most knowledgeable and experienced members.
I’m having trouble taking advice from some of the people on the other forums after I see their pictures and hear some of the things they have to say. It’s hard to take advice from a long time AAS user who is lightyear’s behind you when you’re still natural.
Here are my stats:
Age: 23
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 185lbs
Bodyfat: 4%
Years of Consistent Bodybuilding Focussed Training: 5
I look bigger then my stats, everyone thinks I have been on the crank for a long time.
I’m an ex-competitive professional athlete in a sport which didn’t necessarily focus on huge strength or power but still, a lot of that training carries over and I have been training seriously most of my life.
After researching on the internet, reading a lot about PCT and such, this is what I came up with for my first cycle.
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250mg of Testosterone Enanthate Every 4 Days
which is equivalent to
437.5mg Every Week
Week 1-12: Testosterone Enanthate 250mg E4D
Week 2-12: HCG 250IU’s E3D (Increase to no more then 500IU’s E3D if needed)
Week 1-12: Nolvadex 20mg/d if gyno symptoms start to show
PCT:
Week 14: Nolvadex 80mg 1st day then 40mg/d
Week 15-17: Nolvadex 20mg/d
(Day 1 (one week after last injection) 80mg in a divided dose then 40mg a day for a week, then 20mg a day for at least 3 more weeks)
(Last HCG injection taken with second last Test E Injection)
_________________________________________________
I came up with this cycle while I was living/working in foreign lands. I recently just came home and I showed two of my friends my planned cycle. They are both very big guys and have been using AAS for about 10 years.
They told me that this cycle was a waste, and that it was the epitome of a “forum guys” cycle, the kind of person who is willing to inject possible harmful substances but doesn’t have the balls to do it large enough the first time while your receptors are fresh/sensitive.
He said it was like the girl who wants fake breasts, she knows what size she wants but instead gets a smaller size. A few years later she goes back for an increase, she should have just went for the larger size in the first place since she knew she wanted it but instead she wastes her time and money doing it twice.
My friends said that my first cycle is going to be the best chance for me to make the largest gains so I better take full advantage of it and go all out while my receptors are fresh.
I have to say, what my friends saying makes sense to me. If I wanted to stay healthy, train for fun, slowly make improvements on my physique, look good and feel good then I would just keep doing what I’m doing and stay natural.
The thing is, that’s not what I want, I have bigger goals then that, and I want to give this my all.
I hate people who pussy foot around when they know what they want, I’m not that kind of person, why start now?
On the other hand, I don’t want to completely screw up my body.
They both suggested I add T Bol (turanabol) to the start of my cycle, 3 a day. Not sure what that is in mg but I think it is 30mg a day.
They also suggested I add a 250mg shot of sustanon to my enanthate shot to get the advantages of using a blend and the fast acting propionate.
So it would look like this:
Week 1-4: Turanabol 3 pills a day (10mg a pill I think, but not sure)
Week 1-12: Testosterone Enanthate 250mg E4D
Week 1-12: Testosterone Sustanon 250mg E4D
(875mg of Test E+S a Week) they said to maybe even go up to 1g a week
Week 2-12: HCG 250IU’s E3D (Increase to no more then 500IU’s E3D if needed)
Week 1-12: Nolvadex 20mg/d if gyno symptoms start to show
PCT the same but maybe start one week later because of the higher dose of test.
Week 15: Nolvadex 80mg 1st day then 40mg/d
Week 16-18: Nolvadex 20mg/d
(Day 1 (two weeks after last injection) 80mg in a divided dose then 40mg a day for a week, then 20mg a day for at least 3 more weeks)
I have read some arguments stating when you first start you will be able to make great gains on a small dosage (400 to 500mg a week) and even if you increase the dosage to upwards of 1000mg a week you won’t see any better results then the lower dosage, only more side effects. I mentioned this to my friends and they said that this was false. Any input would be appreciated.
Please try to back your statements up and don’t just respond “your friends are f&%king idiots bro!!!”, or anything along those lines.
Thanks for your help,
T_R_S
I’m a little confused as I have been getting contradicting opinions from the people on the forums compared to the people I talk to in real life about my first steroid cycle.
I decided to post my question here because elitefitness seems to have to most knowledgeable and experienced members.
I’m having trouble taking advice from some of the people on the other forums after I see their pictures and hear some of the things they have to say. It’s hard to take advice from a long time AAS user who is lightyear’s behind you when you’re still natural.
Here are my stats:
Age: 23
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 185lbs
Bodyfat: 4%
Years of Consistent Bodybuilding Focussed Training: 5
I look bigger then my stats, everyone thinks I have been on the crank for a long time.
I’m an ex-competitive professional athlete in a sport which didn’t necessarily focus on huge strength or power but still, a lot of that training carries over and I have been training seriously most of my life.
After researching on the internet, reading a lot about PCT and such, this is what I came up with for my first cycle.
______________________________________________
250mg of Testosterone Enanthate Every 4 Days
which is equivalent to
437.5mg Every Week
Week 1-12: Testosterone Enanthate 250mg E4D
Week 2-12: HCG 250IU’s E3D (Increase to no more then 500IU’s E3D if needed)
Week 1-12: Nolvadex 20mg/d if gyno symptoms start to show
PCT:
Week 14: Nolvadex 80mg 1st day then 40mg/d
Week 15-17: Nolvadex 20mg/d
(Day 1 (one week after last injection) 80mg in a divided dose then 40mg a day for a week, then 20mg a day for at least 3 more weeks)
(Last HCG injection taken with second last Test E Injection)
_________________________________________________
I came up with this cycle while I was living/working in foreign lands. I recently just came home and I showed two of my friends my planned cycle. They are both very big guys and have been using AAS for about 10 years.
They told me that this cycle was a waste, and that it was the epitome of a “forum guys” cycle, the kind of person who is willing to inject possible harmful substances but doesn’t have the balls to do it large enough the first time while your receptors are fresh/sensitive.
He said it was like the girl who wants fake breasts, she knows what size she wants but instead gets a smaller size. A few years later she goes back for an increase, she should have just went for the larger size in the first place since she knew she wanted it but instead she wastes her time and money doing it twice.
My friends said that my first cycle is going to be the best chance for me to make the largest gains so I better take full advantage of it and go all out while my receptors are fresh.
I have to say, what my friends saying makes sense to me. If I wanted to stay healthy, train for fun, slowly make improvements on my physique, look good and feel good then I would just keep doing what I’m doing and stay natural.
The thing is, that’s not what I want, I have bigger goals then that, and I want to give this my all.
I hate people who pussy foot around when they know what they want, I’m not that kind of person, why start now?
On the other hand, I don’t want to completely screw up my body.
They both suggested I add T Bol (turanabol) to the start of my cycle, 3 a day. Not sure what that is in mg but I think it is 30mg a day.
They also suggested I add a 250mg shot of sustanon to my enanthate shot to get the advantages of using a blend and the fast acting propionate.
So it would look like this:
Week 1-4: Turanabol 3 pills a day (10mg a pill I think, but not sure)
Week 1-12: Testosterone Enanthate 250mg E4D
Week 1-12: Testosterone Sustanon 250mg E4D
(875mg of Test E+S a Week) they said to maybe even go up to 1g a week
Week 2-12: HCG 250IU’s E3D (Increase to no more then 500IU’s E3D if needed)
Week 1-12: Nolvadex 20mg/d if gyno symptoms start to show
PCT the same but maybe start one week later because of the higher dose of test.
Week 15: Nolvadex 80mg 1st day then 40mg/d
Week 16-18: Nolvadex 20mg/d
(Day 1 (two weeks after last injection) 80mg in a divided dose then 40mg a day for a week, then 20mg a day for at least 3 more weeks)
I have read some arguments stating when you first start you will be able to make great gains on a small dosage (400 to 500mg a week) and even if you increase the dosage to upwards of 1000mg a week you won’t see any better results then the lower dosage, only more side effects. I mentioned this to my friends and they said that this was false. Any input would be appreciated.
Please try to back your statements up and don’t just respond “your friends are f&%king idiots bro!!!”, or anything along those lines.
Thanks for your help,
T_R_S
it's a mistake for sure.
