Not Good,please Help!!

[JAYMAN014]

Just got back from the doc Test levals where horrible, To make things worse I started my cycle last week, I have injected 400ml of EQ last week on Sun to start cycle, I know I need to stop cycle, but how does this effect me starting post cycle, do I have to still wait 4weeks for it to clear? I have 50 Clomid Tabs and 5000IU's HCG on hand and can get more if Ness. Doc said he would give me 1 month to try and get levels up after I came clean and told him I did a cycle, My last cycle was Sust/Deca/ Anavar ended on 12/29/03 I did 1week HCG 5000IU's total followed by 3 weeks Clomid, I am very worried that my levels are still so low, I hope there is nothing else wrong with me. When can I start and what do you recommend. The doc couldn't believe I was having sex at all. Thanks so much for any help. Jay.

Test: 129 Normal 241-827 ng/dl
Free Test% 10.0 Normal 18.3-62.3%
Free Test 12.9L Normal 66.6-276.2 ng/dl :worried

 

[JAYMAN014]

Guys atleast tell me if I need to still wait 4 weeks after just 1 shot even though it was the only gear I'v taken in 2 months or if I can start now.

 

[jerkbox]

was the test taken before or after you started EQ?

wouldn't the EQ suppress your test levels?

 

[JAYMAN014]

Yes EQ would although the test where taken 2weeks before I started EQ cycle, and 2months after last cycle.

 

[thx9000]

Did he test prolactin/progesterone as well? Might be usefull to see what those look like especially considering you were using deca.

I would get more HCG now, along with some nolva and clomid. I would start the HCG, now, at 1000iu MWF for three weeks along with 20mg nolva. Then at then end of those three weeks, drop the HCG and go with clomid/nolva at 50mg/20mg ED. Then wait two more weeks and get tested again.

 

[JAYMAN014]

Thanks thats the plan then, so it is ok to start now and don't have to wait for EQ to clear?

 

[bigdho]

Did he test prolactin/progesterone as well? Might be usefull to see what those look like especially considering you were using deca.

I would get more HCG now, along with some nolva and clomid. I would start the HCG, now, at 1000iu MWF for three weeks along with 20mg nolva. Then at then end of those three weeks, drop the HCG and go with clomid/nolva at 50mg/20mg ED. Then wait two more weeks and get tested again.

BUMP^

 

[thx9000]

Thanks thats the plan then, so it is ok to start now and don't have to wait for EQ to clear?

The HCG is going to continue the inhibition of endo test production anyhow so you might as well have that going on concurrent to the EQ. The HCG is just to get testicular mass back up to normal size. The following three weeks of Clomid/Nolva are to kick start your own LH production. You really should consider getting prolactin/prog levels checked.

 

[JAYMAN014]

Is there such a thing as not being able to recover, This is the first blood work I'v done thanks to this board and could have been shut down for years?

 

[thx9000]

Is there such a thing as not being able to recover, This is the first blood work I'v done thanks to this board and could have been shut down for years?

Yup, this is the drawback to not doing pre-cycle blood work.

 

[Mr. Black]

I have heard of bros that have taken deca and required up to 9 months post PCT for their levels to return to baseline. Myself on my last deca cycle my test levels came back at 60ng/dl and this was at 2 months after last poke. Eventually (6 months later) my test came back to 700ng/dl and all is good. Make a mental note "deca=evil shit". i highly doubt you have been shutdown all this time.

 

[BIC]

thats probly why people are liking npp so much not so much time needed to recover am i right...????

 

[Mr. Black]

Well NPP doesn't hang around nearly as much which could help improve recovery. However it still is the same ol nandrolene deep down inside and holds the potential to fuck your balls up for a very long time.

 

[junk]

Join the clum JAYMAN. You did exactly the same mistake I did. NEVER AGAIN.
Read Dr JMW (have I spelled it correctly?) threads.
Your recovery was NOT proper! Especially not for a cycle that contained DECA..

Your recovery should have looked like this:
AFTER last shot of AAS.
WEEK 1-3 do:
SUN HCG 1000iu
TUE HCG 1000iu
THU HCG 1000iu
That will get you to Week 4 after the cycle (when deca and everything was cleared from your systems). Now you should start the clomid simply at 50mg straight for 4-6(!!!) weeks! NOT 3 weeks! damn! That's what I did! what a mistake!

 

[lartinos]

i could be wrong, but wasn't this your second time running deca? I remember telling you it was a huge mistake to not just start another cycle, but also that using again was pretty moronic. Maybe I'll do a search cuz I might be wrong

 

[lartinos]

didn't find exactly what I was looking for. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=277712

 

[JAYMAN014]

Thanks Dad I mean Lartinos I did a stupid move I thought I was good after 2 mons off. I remember you saying that and should have listened, but now Im looking for help not lectures. For the rest thanks and wish me luck HCG starts tom,

 

[thx9000]

Thanks Dad I mean Lartinos I did a stupid move I thought I was good after 2 mons off. I remember you saying that and should have listened, but now Im looking for help not lectures. For the rest thanks and wish me luck HCG starts tom,

Well, what did you expect to hear? Good luck, though, I would hate to be in your position.

 

[lartinos]

no doubt bro, I've done stupid shit too. Now you know to hear people and not make rash decisions, and knowing is half the battle.