Nosy Pharmacist!

[DIVISION]

I get my AAS through a Doctor, and I usually have the scripts filled at Safeway. That was until this pharmacist got nosy and started calling my doc, harrassing him about the dosages and clinical diagnoses. My doc told me to tell the pharmacist to stop calling and to fill the scripts as they are written, and when this became too much of a bitch, I had to just bring my scripts to Osco Drug. I was under the impression that the pharmacist was to fill all scripts as they are written, no exceptions, without getting nosy and invading my privacy. Since when can a pharmacist change a MD's written order for meds?

Anyone with specific info on this, please holla!

 

[poantrex]

I get my AAS through a Doctor, and I usually have the scripts filled at Safeway. That was until this pharmacist got nosy and started calling my doc, harrassing him about the dosages and clinical diagnoses. My doc told me to tell the pharmacist to stop calling and to fill the scripts as they are written, and when this became too much of a bitch, I had to just bring my scripts to Osco Drug. I was under the impression that the pharmacist was to fill all scripts as they are written, no exceptions, without getting nosy and invading my privacy. Since when can a pharmacist change a MD's written order for meds?

Anyone with specific info on this, please holla!

I would have been really tempted to choke the bitch, and then calmly
ask to speak to her superior. She in no way should ever do this.

 

[rnch]

what's your doctor's name? will he take on new patients? lololol....




seriously............what this pharmacist is doing is called "invasion of privacy". you said he works for safeway, the grocery store chain ? (we have none in this area). complain to the store manager, the store's district manager, and the Better Business Buearu in your city. for starts. are pharacists responsible to the AMA, as doctors are?

 

[AAP]

A pharmacist CAN NOT change a doctor's order. He can suggest a generic equivilent but that is it. When a pharmacist calls a doctor regarding a script, he is doing it out of concern - either for the patient, the insurance company, or himself (to protect against forges). But continous calling and harassing is not normal.

Just tell him that the doctor doesn't appreciate someone second guessing his evaluations and treatments and if he continues to do that, you will report him to the district manager.

 

[R33t]

Sue the bitch if there is grounds to sue. (pending experienced legal advice, of course) . You don't want to be counter-sued by Safe Way. I may have a law degree, but I don't want my information coming off as "professional legal advice." If the first visit is free, which most are, I think you should consider seeing a lawyer.

 

[DIVISION]

done.

A pharmacist CAN NOT change a doctor's order. He can suggest a generic equivilent but that is it. When a pharmacist calls a doctor regarding a script, he is doing it out of concern - either for the patient, the insurance company, or himself (to protect against forges). But continous calling and harassing is not normal.

Just tell him that the doctor doesn't appreciate someone second guessing his evaluations and treatments and if he continues to do that, you will report him to the district manager.

It became too much of a problem both for me and the prescribing MD; so I basically took my scripts back from her and had them filled at Osco Drug. I have never seen such a callous invasion of privacy. My doc was encouraging me to push legal action against Safeway, but it's too much of a pain in the ass right now for me. Thanks for the opinions, bros.

I had my suspicions that she was up to no good, but wasn't sure if her behaviour and actions were illegal or not.

 

[Mavy]

Unreal!! What that nosey Beotch needs .... is for a Doctor to tell it to her very clearly that this IS NONE OF HER FREAKIN BUSINESS, and to simply fill the order, and do not ever call the doc for something like this again, or he will have a complaint filed against her. The only way to teach her a lesson. That kinda shit pisses me off.

I bought some V by prescription from a pharmacist at a safeway too. She looked at me and said ... "you look a little young to have erectile difficulties". I was in shock and literally speachless. I was fuming because people could here her, and I don't have erectile difficulties. I was pissed off and embarrassed. It was like she was calling my bluff or something. I just simply replied. "GO .... FILL .... MY .... ORDER!!!" She could tell by my tone that I was 1 second away from snapping her neck! lol. Needless to say I will never buy that from a pharmacy again.

Mavy

 

[DIVISION]

You're gonna love this shit.......

Unreal!! What that nosey Beotch needs .... is for a Doctor to tell it to her very clearly that this IS NONE OF HER FREAKIN BUSINESS, and to simply fill the order, and do not ever call the doc for something like this again, or he will have a complaint filed against her. The only way to teach her a lesson. That kinda shit pisses me off.

I bought some V by prescription from a pharmacist at a safeway too. She looked at me and said ... "you look a little young to have erectile difficulties". I was in shock and literally speachless. I was fuming because people could here her, and I don't have erectile difficulties. I was pissed off and embarrassed. It was like she was calling my bluff or something. I just simply replied. "GO .... FILL .... MY .... ORDER!!!" She could tell by my tone that I was 1 second away from snapping her neck! lol. Needless to say I will never buy that from a pharmacy again.

Mavy

Today I was shopping at Wal-mart and I asked the pharmacist how many different brands of GH he could order. The first thing that comes out of his mouth is: "Why do you need Growth Hormone?". I simply told him, "don't worry why, just tell me the brands you can order!"........I was pretty shocked at the absurdity of some of these pharmacists. Their job is to fill the order, not ask me a billion fucking questions or harrass my doctor.

Osco Drug filled my order within a day and didn't ask me a godamn question.....

 

[R33t]

Buddy, I have a law degree. See a lawyer. He or she will not immediately charge you if they feel you have a case.

R33t

 

[Dial_tone]

Well, I'm a little surprised by these answers. Maybe the guy went a little overboard but for the most part he was doing what he gets paid to do. He has a legal and ethical responsibility to verify the authenticity of prescriptions and not just blindly fulfill every chicken-scratched piece of paper shoved in front of him. He's got a greater responsibility than some simple cashier and is accountable to someone higher if it turns that somebody (not you) has been passing fake prescriptions. I don't blame him a bit for calling...he does sound like an ass for questioning the dosage once he got in contact with the doctor. I think you SHOULD write a letter to his regional office and make a formal complaint.

 

[DIVISION]

Well, I'm a little surprised by these answers. Maybe the guy went a little overboard but for the most part he was doing what he gets paid to do. He has a legal and ethical responsibility to verify the authenticity of prescriptions and not just blindly fulfill every chicken-scratched piece of paper shoved in front of him. He's got a greater responsibility than some simple cashier and is accountable to someone higher if it turns that somebody (not you) has been passing fake prescriptions. I don't blame him a bit for calling...he does sound like an ass for questioning the dosage once he got in contact with the doctor. I think you SHOULD write a letter to his regional office and make a formal complaint.

It's not that she called the doc one time, but kept calling and demanding justification for the script amounts. After my doc complained to me about it, I told her to stop calling him because "he" requested it. He told her to fill the scripts as written and I reiterated that it was her job to fill the script, not question the diagnoses and therapeutic dosages.

r33t has a law degree and says I have legal ground to sue Safeway, now I'm thinking about it.

 

[R33t]

It's not that she called the doc one time, but kept calling and demanding justification for the script amounts. After my doc complained to me about it, I told her to stop calling him because "he" requested it. He told her to fill the scripts as written and I reiterated that it was her job to fill the script, not question the diagnoses and therapeutic dosages.

r33t has a law degree and says I have legal ground to sue Safeway, now I'm thinking about it.

You have to see an experienced attorney that will review everything that was said between your doctor, pharmacist, and yourself. This first visit is usually free. The attorney will say, "You have a case" or "No, you don't have a case." From there, they will either accept the case, redirect your complaint to another attorney, or tell you to get over what happened. Based on what you're saying here, I would consider seeking professional legal advice.

 

[Dial_tone]

Just be prepared to have to medically justify your doses if it goes to court. Your doc might have a tough row justifying 300-400mg/week and calling it HRT. If the doses are out of line for whatever your issue is the judge will say the pharmacist was justified in her questioning, which is the point i was trying to make.

 

[R33t]

Just be prepared to have to medically justify your doses if it goes to court. Your doc might have a tough row justifying 300-400mg/week and calling it HRT. If the doses are out of line for whatever your issue is the judge will say the pharmacist was justified in her questioning, which is the point i was trying to make.

Totally true. Considering his doctor was encouraging him to take legal action, he may have already considered the reasoning in the dosages, and any experienced attorney will pay careful attention to that too. Luckily most complaints are settled outside of court.

R33t

 

[dzulboy]

like a judgewould know what the correct dosages are most of ther ones by me can't even tie their own shoes

 

[Dial_tone]

like a judgewould know what the correct dosages are most of ther ones by me can't even tie their own shoes

The judge wouldn't have to; it's not his/her job to find evidence. No doubt the defendat would provide evidence of typical dosing to justify her suspicions.

 

[wesley90]

JW, what AAS were you gettin?
Thanks.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

ok this thread pissed me off.

i AM a pharmacist.

there was no invasion of privacy. the pharmacist was liasing with your doctor so that you got the best therapeutic outcome.

fact of the matter is taht a doctor prescribing AAS for muscle growth is a medical misdemeanour half the world over.

furthermore if a pharmacist sees doses prescribed by a doctor that are out of the normal reccommended range as per the drug guidelines, it is their PROFESSIONAL AND ETHICAL OBLIGATION to contact the doctor and follow up on the prescription

you guys have no common sense. if an old person was prescribed a drug which was potentially harmful, say, too high a dose of a beta blocker, and the pharmacist called the doctor and said "mate, this dose is way outside the guidelines and via the evidence based reports i have seen this patient has a good chance of having a heart attack in the first wee" would you guys call it an invasion of privacy? of course not. its a professional relationship. of course, if the pharmacist didnt call and the patient did have a heart attack, i bet there would be a bunch of people trying to sue.

fact is youre pissed because your drug supply was threatened. youre being illogical, irrational, and downright childish.

sorry, threads like this piss me off. if you came into my pharmacy id tell you to fuck off and go somewhere else, and id write a letter reporting your doctor to the medical association and to your doctor reccommending that the patient receive a full medication review, and the doctor be scrutinised for his prescribing habits.

 

[DIVISION]

Scripts

JW, what AAS were you gettin?
Thanks.

My doc wrote a script for Halotestin, Methyltestosterone and HCG.

All were within therapeutic guideline range.

 

[DIVISION]

and?

ok this thread pissed me off.

i AM a pharmacist.

there was no invasion of privacy. the pharmacist was liasing with your doctor so that you got the best therapeutic outcome.

fact of the matter is taht a doctor prescribing AAS for muscle growth is a medical misdemeanour half the world over.

furthermore if a pharmacist sees doses prescribed by a doctor that are out of the normal reccommended range as per the drug guidelines, it is their PROFESSIONAL AND ETHICAL OBLIGATION to contact the doctor and follow up on the prescription

you guys have no common sense. if an old person was prescribed a drug which was potentially harmful, say, too high a dose of a beta blocker, and the pharmacist called the doctor and said "mate, this dose is way outside the guidelines and via the evidence based reports i have seen this patient has a good chance of having a heart attack in the first wee" would you guys call it an invasion of privacy? of course not. its a professional relationship. of course, if the pharmacist didnt call and the patient did have a heart attack, i bet there would be a bunch of people trying to sue.

fact is youre pissed because your drug supply was threatened. youre being illogical, irrational, and downright childish.

sorry, threads like this piss me off. if you came into my pharmacy id tell you to fuck off and go somewhere else, and id write a letter reporting your doctor to the medical association and to your doctor reccommending that the patient receive a full medication review, and the doctor be scrutinised for his prescribing habits.

I'm pissed because this pharmacist went beyond simple protocol and harrassed my doc. Do you realize it was my Doctor who told me to have her stop calling because she was a nuisance? These are the doc's words...

In short, it's a good thing you're in Australia and I'm in America; there are always pharmacies who do what they're supposed to do: Fill Orders.

No questions, no invasion of privacy issues. Like I said, I went to another pharmacy and had no problems.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

I was under the impression that the pharmacist was to fill all scripts as they are written, no exceptions, without getting nosy and invading my privacy. Since when can a pharmacist change a MD's written order for meds?

you wre under the wrong impression. the pharmacist can flat out refuse to supply a drug if it is their belief that it is not in the patients best interest, and that a significantly poor therapeutic outcome will result from the dispensation of that drug.

we cannot change a script, but we do call teh doctor and politely suggest (basically pull rank) that they justify their dose and perhaps reconsider the therapy. its basically a "you fucked up, im telling it to you, now you gotta do it by the book because if it blows up in your face after you ahve been contacted by a pharmacist with concern over the therapy, youre sticking your neck out big time" conversation

cheerios

 

[DIVISION]

American Pharmacy

I'm pissed because this pharmacist went beyond simple protocol and harrassed my doc. Do you realize it was my Doctor who told me to have her stop calling because she was a nuisance? These are the doc's words...

In short, it's a good thing you're in Australia and I'm in America; there are always pharmacies who do what they're supposed to do: Fill Orders.

No questions, no invasion of privacy issues. Like I said, I went to another pharmacy and had no problems.

...none of the dosages were out of the norm and both the doctor and I discussed this in depth previously. I had filled the same scripts for some time at this particular pharmacy with no incident. Her behaviour henceforth has been innapropriate and I can assure you my doc feels even more offended that I do.

 

[Dial_tone]

golden said what I was trying to say but more eloquently. My sister is a doctor and she's pays over $100K annually in malpractice insurance in part to protect against situations like this.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Re: and?

I'm pissed because this pharmacist went beyond simple protocol and harrassed my doc. Do you realize it was my Doctor who told me to have her stop calling because she was a nuisance? These are the doc's words...

well id say that you have a piss poor doctor. its a doctors responsibility to forster decent professional relationships with other health professionals.

there is no way in hell any doctor i know would bitch about a pharmacist being a nuisance. its just not professional, and undermines anything the pharmacist may say to the patient about their drugs in the future, hence potentially affecting their therapeutic outcomes/compliance/health indirectly.

your doctor sounds like a moron. tell him to do his own fucking work. how do you know the pharmacist is being a nuisance? i can assure you no one calls repeatedly for no reason. theres a decent chance that your doctor is a lazy, full of shit bastard, who is using you to cover his ass. pathetic.

frankly id report him based on what he told you alone. borderline misconduct imo.

In short, it's a good thing you're in Australia and I'm in America; there are always pharmacies who do what they're supposed to do: Fill Orders.

yes its a great thing im in australia

anyway you think you had no problems, but it may be taht you in fact slipped through the net and found a pharmacist who doestn give a shit about you. still, its your choice. im a big fan of the "your body, your coice, your consequence" angle.

No questions, no invasion of privacy issues. Like I said, I went to another pharmacy and had no problems.

ah well look im happy youre happy. if, one day, you get some sides pertaining to your AAS use, i hope you think back on this day. no one is out to get you. theyre out to help.

cheers

 

[XxPhantoMxX]

Oh sure GoldenDelicious but it's ok for you to do it, I mean you wouldn't be on this board if you weren't a juicer, or something.. And then your telling him he can't do it, and theres no risk of heart attack or something like that from the Juice, maybe some pharmacist have an inferiority complex because they wish they were doctors, the doctor is smarter and more educated than you are-you don't need to second guess him, your trying to act like your more relevent because your job is to basically to just pull bottles off the shelf after some guy gave you a scrap of paper and ring it up so just fill the prescription and shut the fuck up..

then you can go home and play doctor with your neighbors kids and think "if only I had studied a little harder I coulda been a contender.."

I hope people on this board have a sence of humor cause I just had to stir some shit up


division-I would just write a letter to the company the nosy pharmacist complaining that he's invading your privacy and being a rude bastard, and take your business elseware, your the customer, theres gotta be a store somewhere that appreciates that..

 

[GoldenDelicious]

I hope people on this board have a sence of humor cause I just had to stir some shit up

you lucky bastard

just so you know: 1) i had the marks for med, dentistry, physiotherapy as well as pharmacy. i chose the latter because there was less commitment, more flexibility, and more money.

and 2) i dont use steroids. i come to this site to stay focussed, motivated, and to help a few people out.

 

[XxPhantoMxX]

ok thats cool I was just pullin your leg, I'm in no position to make fun of what other people do

 

[DIVISION]

Hah

division-I would just write a letter to the company the nosy pharmacist complaining that he's invading your privacy and being a rude bastard, and take your business elseware, your the customer, theres gotta be a store somewhere that appreciates that..

Hon...........your rock my nutz......

I love your sense of humor, keep that shit flowin'.........

 

[XxPhantoMxX]

i'm here to entertain

 

[GoodDoer756]

...maybe some pharmacist have an inferiority complex because they wish they were doctors, the doctor is smarter and more educated than you are-you don't need to second guess him, your trying to act like your more relevent because your job is to basically to just pull bottles off the shelf after some guy gave you a scrap of paper and ring it up so just fill the prescription and shut the fuck up..

then you can go home and play doctor with your neighbors kids and think "if only I had studied a little harder I coulda been a contender.."

Even if you're only half joking there's much truth to your words. IMO of course.

 

[rnch]

GD: here in the USA, a pharmacist is a technician, an order filler. you appear to have deluisions of grandeur...........you are NOT a Medical Doctor, nor have you played one on TV. with your haughty, snide, superior semi/almost british internet persona, you are trying (and not succeeding) to be someone you are NOT. DO stay in aussie-land, auld chap.....with your personality, you'd get your ass kicked here in the states.


happy days!

 

[x_muscle]

Hi bro. im a pharmacy student and i can tell you that your issue is a big debate in the pharmacology field. basically some pharmacist feel that its an ethical issue to refuse an RX if some patients are abusing the RX, or the drug prescribed for the patient is not the best for his case. you will be surprised to know that pharmacist are the one to educate the doctors about drugs in the medical schools, so some times we feel that we have better idea to decide which drug can be used best in patient case. other argue that its not within the pharmacist qualification or responsibilities to take such a decision. to make long story short, es a pharmacist, yes a pharmacist can refuse your RX if he want.

here is a good read about pharmacist debating this issue:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=132147

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

That pharmacist needs a nice cup of STFU!
Just get your fills elsewhere if you have to......

 

[x_muscle]

GD: here in the USA, a pharmacist is a technician, an order filler. you appear to have deluisions of grandeur...........you are NOT a Medical Doctor, nor have you played one on TV. with your haughty, snide, superior semi/almost british internet persona, you are trying (and not succeeding) to be someone you are NOT. DO stay in aussie-land, auld chap.....with your personality, you'd get your ass kicked here in the states.


happy days!

thats the most stupid thing ive ever heard.........a pharmacist have a doctor title. the pharmacist cirtificate says DOCTOR OF PHARMACY. plus we take most of courses taken in medicine school and undergo similar training. pharmaciest is not a fuking technician.just look at pharmacetical companies, we develop most of drugs, we even teach doctors about drugs, and we know how its utilized the best. Most of doctors dont know shit most of time about drug choices, in medicine school a drug company rep comes and teaches the student about a specific drug that his comapny sells only, he dosent know about other drug options or generics, but a phamacist do.

 

[rnch]

thats the most stupid thing ive ever heard.........a pharmacist have a doctor title. the pharmacist cirtificate says DOCTOR OF PHARMACY. plus we take most of courses taken in medicine school and undergo similar training. pharmaciest is not a fuking technician.just look at pharmacetical companies, we develop most of drugs, we even teach doctors about drugs, and we know how its utilized the best. Most of doctors dont know shit most of time about drug choices, in medicine school a drug company rep comes and teaches the student about a specific drug that his comapny sells only, he dosent know about other drug options or generics, but a phamacist do.

and yet the MD's make the big bucks and pharmacists.........don't?

 

[Dial_tone]

pharmacists probably do make as much as general practitioners. I used to provide tech support for pharmaceutical sales reps. Doctors get a good portion of their info from the sales reps and the perks they get from the drug companies has alot to do with which drugs they recommend.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

GD: here in the USA, a pharmacist is a technician, an order filler. you appear to have deluisions of grandeur...........you are NOT a Medical Doctor, nor have you played one on TV. with your haughty, snide, superior semi/almost british internet persona, you are trying (and not succeeding) to be someone you are NOT. DO stay in aussie-land, auld chap.....with your personality, you'd get your ass kicked here in the states.


happy days!

ah well i will stay in aus, but not because i wouldnt be wanted in the US.

fact of the matter is that you have some fairly hefty misconceptions about what a pharmacist does. youre describing what a pharmacy technician does, not a pharmacist.

im not going to sit here and blow my own trumpet, but i have done rounds with a medical team in a hospital and i can assure you taht the pharmacists reccommendations are listened to as much as those of the consultants or residents on the round. different skill set, equally important advice.

what you think i do really doesnt matter. i knew from the onset that i was in an underappreciated job. people assume that i count pills and stick labels on bottles. oh well, you get that.

just so you know, i have called cardiologists in their very offices and told them very bluntly to change their choice of drug, and they have on my say so alone. the one im thinking of in particular started off haughty and tried to dismiss what i was saying, but i switched into bastard mode, laid it down, and he apologised and complied. so.

oh, and if you think being a medical doctor is a money job, think again.

pharmacists and doctors are on about the same money.

if i come across as snide and superior, thats your issue, not mine. i just say whats on my mind, and thats that. like it or dont, i never did care and dont think i will

cheerios, chip chip and all that rot

 

[wesley90]

hmm, if I wanted to open a pharmacy, do the companies regulate the amount of drugs they can send you?

 

[tholdren]

GD,

You are taking a lot of heat for standing up for what you believe in, and you are doing a pretty good job of defending your views.

A lot of people on this board have misconceptions about the roles of pharmacy techs, pharmacists, and physicians.

As a physician, I can tell you that most pharmacists, while not as adept in clinical medicine, have a far better command of pharmacological knowledge than the physicians, and we do indeed respect their opinions when deciding on the optimal medical therapy for our patients.

I think everyone can agree that a pharmacist is justified in contacting a physician regarding a prescription that doctor has written. The reasons for this are both obvious and numerous.

However, I think most of the debate is centred around just how involved a pharmacist should get when looking out for those patients receiving drugs from his/her pharmacy.

Now why can't we just all get along and get back to discussing the best techniques for injecting ourselves with supra-physiological doses of various androgens, lol.

Tholdren

 

[Dial_tone]

It is truly amazing how warped our minds can get as we try to defend our illegal drug use. It's easier for me to see having been in the game for a long time, out of the game for a long time and now back in the game again.

 

[kbrkbr]

It is truly amazing how warped our minds can get as we try to defend our illegal drug use.

Yup, exactly.

GD, lots of good info. Thanks for the insight.

And anyone who thinks you're being haughty, tell 'em to kiss your well-educated ass.

 

[Goodfellow]

Sorry guys but GD is very correct. What makes you think that pharm guys dont abide by the same type of ethics code that docs go by? Please take a step back and think about it for a sec. I have run into these same problems with places in the past, and it is frusterating no doubt.

 

[georgie24]

next time drop kick the whore and kick her in the spleen

 

[BIGJAKE]

next time drop kick the whore and kick her in the spleen

now that is funny.good read tho GD always giving good points i dont know shit about all this but i liked reading all the points thanks for the info.

 

[DIVISION]

next time drop kick the whore and kick her in the spleen

Will do. Thanks for the kind advice, lil' Georgie.......

Max props.......

 

[poantrex]

The pharmacist was still wrong. Dosage means nothing, it takes different amounts
to achieve testosterone levels in the normal range. For one person that might mean 200mg every 2 weeks, whereas someone it could be 200mg every 5 days - i'm sure
divisions doc has some bloodwork to back all of this up.

 

[Goodfellow]

Correct but I think you guys are missing the point

 

[onebigab]

Just because your a Doctor doesn't mean you know shit about all meds. A Pharmacist has to know about all meds. So if they feel compelled to call your Doctor regarding a script and it's amts, then they are doing it responsibly. Not to mention that insurance companies will only honor certain amounts perscribed per month.

So in all the Pharmacist was doing their job and correctly.