Noob with Intresting question!!!

[2YoUnG2JuiCe]

I DO NOT TAKE MY BODY LIGHTLY


I've worked hard to get my 16 inch arms and am serious about waiting a few more years before i start to juice

that being said...

Its nice to meet everyone on this new board i hope i can find alot of usefull info as well as help others but i have a question

I've read enought "first cycle" forums to know that the first cycle should consist of Test E for 12-16 weeks with PCT of Nlova and Clomid for a few weeks after but my question is (probably ignorant) why is it so commonly thought that people 17,18,19 should not be juicing. My noob perception is that with the right pct you can bring your test levels up to normal at any age and after 18 your done growing so why is it unsafe to juice at an early age if you have a strict diet, sleep, and training program and use the proper PCT at the proper time

just something thats been lingering on my mind... ty

 

[2YoUnG2JuiCe]

sorry Mr.X forgot stats


Age-To Young (never to young to start researching though)
Height-6'1
Weight-165-170
BF%-10
Proposed first cycle - Test E 400-500mgs weekley

 

[instant.muscle]

because the more times u juice u juice the more u need and ur receptors dont work as well so when your young and u have way more test u should use it to ur advantage, if u start juicing when ur 15 by the time ur 25 ur gonna need about 5 grams of juice per cycle

 

[hyp1]

why is it so commonly thought that people 17,18,19 should not be juicing. My noob perception is that with the right PCT - post cycle therapy - you can bring your test levels up to normal at any age and after 18 your done growing so why is it unsafe to juice at an early age if you have a strict diet, sleep, and training program and use the proper PCT at the proper time

just something thats been lingering on my mind... ty

at 17,18,and 19 years old you're still not finished growing(doing steroids at this age can actually stunt your growth and seal your growth plates) and your body is flooded with natural testosterone at that age to begin with.

doing steroids at those young of ages can actually fuck up your entire system for the rest of your fucking life,do you want to have to take hormones the rest of your life because your body can't produce testosterone naturally due to a greedy ass and foolish decision you made at that young of an age?

think about it,you don't even have a fucking foundation to build upon,you haven't lifted weights religiously and trained with everything you have to even want to contemplate doing steroids............steroids aren't a quick fix and ultimately they could seriously fuck you up at that age.

lift heavy with good form,increase your caloric and protein intake,get plenty of rest.............until you reach the age of 22,then you can start educating yourself on cycles,anti e's and serms,post cycle therapy then and only then can you possibly make a wise decision concerning your attempted use of gear.

 

[2YoUnG2JuiCe]

at 17,18,and 19 years old you're still not finished growing(doing steroids at this age can actually stunt your growth and seal your growth plates) and your body is flooded with natural testosterone at that age to begin with.

doing steroids at those young of ages can actually fuck up your entire system for the rest of your fucking life,do you want to have to take hormones the rest of your life because your body can't produce testosterone naturally due to a greedy ass and foolish decision you made at that young of an age?

think about it,you don't even have a fucking foundation to build upon,you haven't lifted weights religiously and trained with everything you have to even want to contemplate doing steroids............steroids aren't a quick fix and ultimately they could seriously fuck you up at that age.

lift heavy with good form,increase your caloric and protein intake,get plenty of rest.............until you reach the age of 22,then you can start educating yourself on cycles,anti e's and serms,post cycle therapy then and only then can you possibly make a wise decision concerning your attempted use of gear.

hey man, i get it okay, if you read the name i know im to young to do roids but it doesnt hurt to ask and i wouldnt jump your ass for asking a question and i take peoples advice seriously but no one has ever went it to the "why" with me so i was simply asking

on a different note

thanks for the advice, it was very informative

 

[MichaelScott]

jump ur ass, wait until he gets really fired up he was very civil imo

 

[hyp1]

jump ur ass, wait until he gets really fired up he was very civil imo

I thought I was too bro(civil as hell)shit,I only said the word fuck 4 times..........that's just the way I speak online and in real life.

I just wanted to be direct,sorry if you felt ass raped 2YoUnG2JuiCe after reading that post I made......but I wanted you to get the point.don't go fucking your young body up over unrealistic dreams at that young of an age,because first you have to have a foundation to build upon.

best of luck to you bro

 

[ukkared]

Ok, since you say you have done some research I am going to take a different approach than Hyp1 who is a really good bro. Ok, for better or worse everyone ultimately is going to do what they want. The reason it is advised for you not to begin using anabolics until you are a little older is because technically your body should be producing enough test and Hgh that with the right diet you shouldn't need them. Now I don't think anybody is going to deny that the pros and in general more and more people are using at a young age. The main thing is you don't want to do anything that is going to cause long term damage to your body. I don't think using at a young age is going to totally screw your system up and you never be able to make test naturally because I started using when I was 18 and it didn't screw me up. The worst it did to me was essentially throwing some money down the toilet because I didn't do my research. Hope this helps you.

 

[2YoUnG2JuiCe]

thanx sorry i took it as harsh because i want to make it very clear i'm not some high school idiot who jumps on the juice from 16-20 and wonders why his balls have disapeared and i am hear to learn as much as i can untill that time comes, right now im training 5 days a week with the use of creatine protein and glutamine and i dont plan on using gear till the 20's but knowledge is power, sorry for getting offended

 

[hyp1]

thanx sorry i took it as harsh because i want to make it very clear i'm not some high school idiot who jumps on the juice from 16-20 and wonders why his balls have disapeared and i am hear to learn as much as i can untill that time comes, right now im training 5 days a week with the use of creatine protein and glutamine and i dont plan on using gear till the 20's but knowledge is power, sorry for getting offended

I'm not offended at all bro,I just want you to make the most educated and wise choices you can.you're at a great age to build a foundation you can get literally fucking huge on,without the aid of steroids.I just want the best for you

at those ages sealed growth plates are a serious danger and issue...it could take couple of inches off of your height and that's no shit.

 

[beenieman]

Bro, I wanted to juice in high school and just started 3 weeks ago. I'm 34 years old now bro and I'm glad I waited. You have enough natty test in your body right now and for the next couple of years to build a good foundation NATURALLY. Many of my buddies from HS juiced and they are really fucked up now.. One actually stunted his growth and closed his plates.

 

[mattdan]

at 17,18,and 19 years old you're still not finished growing(doing steroids at this age can actually stunt your growth and seal your growth plates) and your body is flooded with natural testosterone at that age to begin with.

doing steroids at those young of ages can actually fuck up your entire system for the rest of your fucking life,do you want to have to take hormones the rest of your life because your body can't produce testosterone naturally due to a greedy ass and foolish decision you made at that young of an age?

think about it,you don't even have a fucking foundation to build upon,you haven't lifted weights religiously and trained with everything you have to even want to contemplate doing steroids............steroids aren't a quick fix and ultimately they could seriously fuck you up at that age.

lift heavy with good form,increase your caloric and protein intake,get plenty of rest.............until you reach the age of 22,then you can start educating yourself on cycles,anti e's and serms,post cycle therapy then and only then can you possibly make a wise decision concerning your attempted use of gear.

That is the correct - and very complete answer. If you don't take his advice, you're uhhhh, well not too bright.

Good answer Hyp

 

[macemj]

hey man, i get it okay, if you read the name i know im to young to do steroids but it doesnt hurt to ask and i wouldnt jump your ass for asking a question and i take peoples advice seriously but no one has ever went it to the "why" with me so i was simply asking

on a different note

thanks for the advice, it was very informative

No worries bruh. My lil cousin is about your age and he's doing research as well. He wants to be a lil meat head awwwready. I told him the same thing Hyp told ya. At 6'1, I know you can get to atleast 180-190 natural; 5k calories, nice training, good form, ect. THAT SHOULD BE GOAL #1 !!

Maybe, hop on the Omega stack minus the fat burner for starters. I would't go too heavy, yet, weight wise. Focus on your Diet. I'll say it twice "Focus on your diet." Become obsessed with food. Think, you workout for 45 min and tear the muscles every single day in the gym. How much can you REALLY do each day in the gym? Think about it there is 24 hours in a day. Do research on successful bodbuilders who share their dieting with the public. An example is the Muscletec dvd's. They (pros) sit around a round table and talk food. Right out of the best of the best's mouth. I saw them when I was your age and still watch it. I also used to watch Arnolds movie every day lol.

Take your time cuz. Good luck.

 

[layinback]

because the more times u juice u juice the more u need and ur receptors dont work as well so when your young and u have way more test u should use it to ur advantage, if u start juicing when ur 15 by the time ur 25 ur gonna need about 5 grams of juice per cycle

REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM: following this argument the best time to do your first cycle would be in your 50's or 60's. now of course only a fox news anchor would construe this with advocating kids doing juice. i am not. it is just a erroneous proposition. the guys that have to do a gram+ of test a week have to do so because of doing to much to often....not because they started at 18. i didnt do my first until i was 35 or 36 and i keep them simple and use as little as possible. i do a cycle every 1.5-2.0 yrs to AUGMENT my training. trust me i know guys that do 10 times what i do and they dont look half as good as i do. the real message for this young man is: study study and study some more. train smart. eat right. build a good solid natural frame.(this will keep you busy at least until 2010 and by that time your growth plates will have fused and you can decide what you gonna do. until then fuck even thinking about juice. its like studying differential equations when you dont know algebra.

 

[holy ghost]

listen to hyp he knows whatsup.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

at 17,18,and 19 years old you're still not finished growing(doing steroids at this age can actually stunt your growth and seal your growth plates) and your body is flooded with natural testosterone at that age to begin with.

doing steroids at those young of ages can actually fuck up your entire system for the rest of your fucking life,do you want to have to take hormones the rest of your life because your body can't produce testosterone naturally due to a greedy ass and foolish decision you made at that young of an age?

think about it,you don't even have a fucking foundation to build upon,you haven't lifted weights religiously and trained with everything you have to even want to contemplate doing steroids............steroids aren't a quick fix and ultimately they could seriously fuck you up at that age.

lift heavy with good form,increase your caloric and protein intake,get plenty of rest.............until you reach the age of 22,then you can start educating yourself on cycles,anti e's and serms,post cycle therapy then and only then can you possibly make a wise decision concerning your attempted use of gear.

Not flaming or doubting what you are saying but where are the studies to show it stunts growth? Where is the scientific evidence? I knew kids in highschool who juiced many many moons ago and to day they are fine, No HT for them.

 

[hyp1]

Not flaming or doubting what you are saying but where are the studies to show it stunts growth? Where is the scientific evidence? I knew kids in highschool who juiced many many moons ago and to day they are fine, No HT for them.

This hormonal disruption caused by steroid abuse can also lead to the premature closing of growth plates in athletes who haven´t reached their ultimate height, as increased estrogen via the aromatase enzyme can "seal" the plates. When steroids that convert to estrogen are given to adolescents who are still growing and developing, side effects are much more common and as I said, the most obvious of these is the cessation of longitudinal growth. Steroids which are derived from DHT do not seem to possess this potential for abuse in terms of ultimate height retardation.

(don't have the link to this one,sorry)

Stunted Growth

This is one side effect I hear people say will not happen at all: WRONG! All anabolic/androgenic steroids have the potential to impact a person's stature if taken during adolescence. Steroids can stunt growth by stimulating the epiphy seal plates in a person's long bone to prematurely fuse. Once the plates are fused, future growth is not possible. Even if the person stops steroid use right away he or she can be stuck at the same height forever. Not even growth hormone can help this, it can only thicken the bones. There are many other side effect to AS steroids use. I have only listed the ones that I am asked the most about. Like I said before, I think this is the first thing that should be researched before the use of AS.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/stershot.htm

bro,it's been scientifically proven time and time again

 

[st8grad]

At 6'1" you should be able to get to 220+ naturally. But at 170 pounds right now 5k calories is too much. You need to eat for sure, but you have to gauge what is right for you body. If you are eating enough, training right, getting enough sleep, etc you should be able to keep putting more weight on the bar every week.

I disagree, you SHOULD be hitting heavy weights. The big compound movements are what you need to develop a solid base. Bench, Overhead Press, Squats, and Deadlifts need to be the cornerstone of your program.

Don't forget, your arms are going to stay in proportion to your body. They aren't going to be 17inches if you stay 170 pounds. But if you focus on the heavy movements that can pack on the most amount of mass, then they will take off. And tons of curls and pushdowns aren't going to pack on mass very quickly either.

You are right to wait on the gear. But food and heavy weight is your best bet. I would bet that someone like Al240 could put more mass on you in a year than running your first cycle and sticking with a traditional bb program.

No worries bruh. My lil cousin is about your age and he's doing research as well. He wants to be a lil meat head awwwready. I told him the same thing Hyp told ya. At 6'1, I know you can get to atleast 180-190 natural; 5k calories, nice training, good form, ect. THAT SHOULD BE GOAL #1 !!

Maybe, hop on the Omega stack minus the fat burner for starters. I would't go too heavy, yet, weight wise. Focus on your Diet. I'll say it twice "Focus on your diet." Become obsessed with food. Think, you workout for 45 min and tear the muscles every single day in the gym. How much can you REALLY do each day in the gym? Think about it there is 24 hours in a day. Do research on successful bodbuilders who share their dieting with the public. An example is the Muscletec dvd's. They (pros) sit around a round table and talk food. Right out of the best of the best's mouth. I saw them when I was your age and still watch it. I also used to watch Arnolds movie every day lol.

Take your time cuz. Good luck.

 

[2YoUnG2JuiCe]

Yeah i was at 185 a few months ago but needed to drop 15 or 20 lbs and did with strict diet but the problem was i had to work extremely hard to just keep my muscles the same! but right now i can't eat more than about 1500-1750 calories a day so i'm loading up on creatine, protein, glutamine and rest so i can gain muscle, so i can eat more ect ect im just in a sticky phase right now


thanx for all the info guys and even thought im 90% sure ive reached my full heighth im certianaly going to wait a few years

 

[holy ghost]

just to back up hyp there are a number of growth plate closing articles

at pubmed

 

[BigCracker]

edit -BRR