NOO-B cycle?????

[herdus33]

ive been traing for a couple years now....im 5'7"....165 lbs......and looking to lose a little bf......so....i am planning on runng a cycle soon.....its realy not my first cycle....only because i did a short 4 weeker of test just to see how it was.......but its my first full cycle.......with diet, sleep, and training all in check.......this is how i want to do it.....

week 1-4.5 = turanabol 30mg ed
week 1-2 = eq 600mg ew
week 3-14 = eq 400 ew

then pct with hcg, clomid and nolvadex...got that all planned out.

Fisrt off...i know that not much for a front load but thats all the gear i have and am willing to get....so thats what i want to try.......

Second.....i was planning on running nolvadex 20mg ed the whole time through...cus i think i have some signs of gyno and want to make sure it doesnt get any worse....plus im not lookin for huge size gains...........will this hurt my overalls or not?

The main ? is how does this cycle look for my first real full cycle and what kinda gains can i expect?

 

[black sheep]

An advantage is that Equipoise aromatizes only slightly, so the use of Nolva is not necessary IMO, especially if you are not taking any test...

 

[Bruce]

i would not run the tbol under 40mg ed, just run for 22 days thats all you get gains out of it for. i would use only nolva for pct just a light one.

 

[Themachine01]

To be completely honest with you bro, I personally never run a cycle without test and I dont ever recommend one either. I dont think that you will see too much off of EQ alone, especially at 400mg/wk. If you were to add test in, 250-500mg/wk then you would have a nice little cycle there for yourself. I dont know if this is all the gear that you have and this is the cycle that you have to run, but you most likely wont see too much off of it. When you say that you have signs of gyno, what is it from, when you were a kid, or do you think that it is from your 4 week test cycle, just curious. Either way, 20mg/nolva per day is too much to run throughout the entire cycle. If you are running it as a precautionary tool then you can drop it down to 20mg eod or 10mg/day, that is all thats needed. Really there isnt any reason to run it at all, its just a smart idea to keep it around so that if you start to see signs of gyno than you can add it in and it will help is subside.

 

[Bruce]

To be completely honest with you bro, I personally never run a cycle without test and I dont ever recommend one either. I dont think that you will see too much off of EQ alone, especially at 400mg/wk. If you were to add test in, 250-500mg/wk then you would have a nice little cycle there for yourself. I dont know if this is all the gear that you have and this is the cycle that you have to run, but you most likely wont see too much off of it. When you say that you have signs of gyno, what is it from, when you were a kid, or do you think that it is from your 4 week test cycle, just curious. Either way, 20mg/nolva per day is too much to run throughout the entire cycle. If you are running it as a precautionary tool then you can drop it down to 20mg eod or 10mg/day, that is all thats needed. Really there isnt any reason to run it at all, its just a smart idea to keep it around so that if you start to see signs of gyno than you can add it in and it will help is subside.

couldn't agree more, i ran deca alone and yielded 22lbs of mass, but i learned that having test is so important. if i had used it with the deca first time i think the gains would have been more, i am on deca and test now and i can tell you there is no way i will not use test again. it is so essential for building muscle. i like test/deca twice as much as deca alone, and i loved deca alone. eq needs to be at 600 a week if you are not gonna use test. but like machine said just throw in a light dose of test so its in your body when you are shutdown

 

[Outtlaw]

To be completely honest with you bro, I personally never run a cycle without test and I dont ever recommend one either. I dont think that you will see too much off of EQ alone, especially at 400mg/wk. If you were to add test in, 250-500mg/wk then you would have a nice little cycle there for yourself. I dont know if this is all the gear that you have and this is the cycle that you have to run, but you most likely wont see too much off of it. When you say that you have signs of gyno, what is it from, when you were a kid, or do you think that it is from your 4 week test cycle, just curious. Either way, 20mg/nolva per day is too much to run throughout the entire cycle. If you are running it as a precautionary tool then you can drop it down to 20mg eod or 10mg/day, that is all thats needed. Really there isnt any reason to run it at all, its just a smart idea to keep it around so that if you start to see signs of gyno than you can add it in and it will help is subside.

Umm... yeah... I was gonna say something like that. I dont have to now.

 

[Bruce]

i cannot believe i ever used without test. what a sin

 

[herdus33]

ok.....thanks for all the input.....but first off...i am prone to acne as well...that is the main reason for not using test......and i think they gyno is a little from puberty and not using a pct very well on my 4 wk cycle b4......so i def dont want to take any chances.....

but for the gear i have how do you think i should do it.......i have plenty of nolv.....enough clomid for pct.....3 amps of 200mg eq.....and 100 10mg tabs of ot....

and its ot a form of test.....wont that take care of the lack of test

 

[herdus33]

and please consider this is my first real cycle....i know all you guys have been using for prby quite some time.......i dont wanna get in to too much too quick...thanks...

 

[Themachine01]

and please consider this is my first real cycle....i know all you guys have been using for prby quite some time.......i dont wanna get in to too much too quick...thanks...

The advice that I gave you is newbie advice, and the nolva should still only be ran at 10mg/day, there is no need to run it at 20mg/day. EQ is not test, but it will still shut down your body's natural production of test, and since you are not replacing it with test, than you will experience the side affects that come along with not have testosterone in your body.

 

[herdus33]

ok thanks....but i meant.......isnt turanabol a form of test?......will that work instead of sust....

 

[Themachine01]

you are only running the tbol for 4.5 weeks.

 

[herdus33]

t-bol......as in turanabol.....please help me with this cycle!!!!!

 

[Themachine01]

t-bol......as in turanabol.....please help me with this cycle!!!!!

What else do you want to know? Just ask and I will do my best to help you, as well as everyone else, that is the what we're here for bro, all you have to do is ask. I layed out what I think you should do, now what other questions do you have? I dont know what you have access to so its hard to recommend things when you might not be able to get them. There is nothing wrong with running the EQ for 14 weeks at 400mg/wk, but thats about all I like with your cycle. I have never used tbol before and to be honest with you Ive never done much research on it, maybe someone else can chime in about that, but the way you have it looks fine to me. So, between the EQ and the tbol you look alright, as a base, because you really do need to add test to this cycle my man. Testosterone plays such an important role in so many different bodily functions that when you shut down your body's ability to produce it naturally, which is what the EQ will do, you need to replace it with another form of test, such as enanthate, sustanon, etc. Now, since I dont know what you have access to, me recommending that you add test isnt doing any good if you cant get it, or you cant afford to add it in. You mentioned the tbol replacing the test, but I dont like it as a testosterone, and even if I did it would only be in your system while you are taking it, therefore once you stop your back to having nothing in your system except for teh Eq, and no test in your body. You will probably be able to find a handful of people on here that might think that you can run a EQ cycle alone without test, but science will back up the fact that you need to replace the missing test in order to avoid side affects.

 

[Themachine01]

This is something that every newbie needs to realize.

 

[herdus33]

ok.....well thanks for the input.....so i havent got all my supplies yet....but i guess my overall ??? turns into......should i use tbol for 30mg ed for 4.5 wks....or omn test ew for 5 wks.....thats where my money is at....and my options.........all considering......acne and gyno......please remember tho options......

 

[Bruce]

use the damn tbol for 22-28 days thats as long as the gains come, so run it at 40mg ed or don't run it period.

 

[Themachine01]

ok.....well thanks for the input.....so i havent got all my supplies yet....but i guess my overall ??? turns into......should i use tbol for 30mg ed for 4.5 wks....or omn test ew for 5 wks.....thats where my money is at....and my options.........all considering......acne and gyno......please remember tho options......

If you havent already got the tbol than I would get omnadren instead and run it at 250mg/wk throughout the cycle, at least 10 weeks out of the 14, but preferably the entire time. the chances fo getting acne and gyno are all part of the game bro, you have to take the good with the bad. You will have the nolvadex on hand in case gyno symptoms arise, and the acne I dont really think that adding test to the EQ will really make much of a difference.

 

[herdus33]

ok......so i am goin to run......

tbol: 1-3.5wk @ 40mg ed
eq: 1-2wk @ 600mg ew
eq: 3-14wk @ 400mg ew

then post cycle.....hcg....nolv and clomid....hows that...??

 

[Outtlaw]

ok......so i am goin to run......

tbol: 1-3.5wk @ 40mg ed
eq: 1-2wk @ 600mg ew
eq: 3-14wk @ 400mg ew

then post cycle.....hcg....nolv and clomid....hows that...??

Dear god After all that, and nothings changed at all.

 

[herdus33]

hahah i know.......nothin really changed.......but what do you expect....ive dont my research......got my products i want to do......and for how long......i just wanted an overall opionion from ppl that know theyre stuff.......(at least with my considerations).....mainly i just wanted to know if there is any real prob in doin what im gonna do.......

esp anti-e wise during cycle........which im thinkin i'll do nolva = 20mg eod considering all factors and the dosage i have...which is 20mg pills

 

[herdus33]

ps....sorry for so many post......but us new-b's are here for answers to all our ???...

 

[Outtlaw]

hahah i know.......nothin really changed.......but what do you expect....ive dont my research......got my products i want to do......and for how long......i just wanted an overall opionion from ppl that know theyre stuff.......(at least with my considerations).....mainly i just wanted to know if there is any real prob in doin what im gonna do.......

esp anti-e wise during cycle........which im thinkin i'll do nolva = 20mg eod considering all factors and the dosage i have...which is 20mg pills

Whatever, I just find it strange that you'd buy your gear 1st and then ask questions later. And cut those nolva pills in half. No need to use them unless needed though.

 

[Themachine01]

ever hear the saying "its like talking to a brick wall" ?