Nolva by it self???

[silverskyline]

Alright bro's so I've been reading and studying everything about supplements and weightlifting, and dieting etc as I do (it's an adiction can't stay away from it)

So I can across this..."it acts as an anti-estrogen in the pituitary, thus increasing LH and FSH, which results in an increase in testosterone. 20mgs of Nolvadex will raise your testosterone levels about 150%"

I'm on my P C T Currently of 20 mg of nolva 2 weeks after my last pin (so I'm sure my levels are depleted greatly. (also using Dermacrine FYI).

But lets say I get my self another bottle of the oral nolva about a month from now and just start popping 20mg ED for say a month? Wouldnt this in theory raise my levels to over double what they normally are? I realize the effects of an oral on the liver and shots are better and what not, but could this essentially be a very low and easy type of "cycle"?

You tell me bros.

 

[silverskyline]

Another FYI..."Estrogen is also important for a properly functioning immune system, and not only that, but your lipid profile (both HDL and LDL) should also show marked improvement with administration of tamoxifen "

"Why don’t we use Clomid, another SERM? Well, basically because it takes much more to do the same thing. In comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but Nolvadex also has the added benefit of significantly increasing the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRH (LH-releasing hormone)"

"Nolvadex is highly anti-estrogenic at the hypothalamus and pituitary, while Clomid exhibits weak estrogenic activity at the pituitary (7), which as you can guess, is less than ideal. It should be avoided for the PCT I’m suggesting…and in fact, avoided in general…it’s simply not as good as Nolvadex.
"

site: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/anthony-roberts/post-cycle-therapy.htm

 

[silverskyline]

alright then, well at least I put some of the facts out there.

 

[access]

I did read a study some time ago where they had used Tamox as a test booster in older men looking at it as an alternative to regular TRT. From memory it did show signs of success so in theory your thinking is correct but if was me I would be much happier to just use Test.

 

[GUARDIAN]

the 150% is referrring to your natural test production. this hardly compares with an hrt dose of test.

the short answer is you could run nolvadex long term (without many sides i might add).
however nolvadex's effects on your natural test production will hardly be noticeable to you in terms of muscle growth. u also have to remember that just like with aas your body has a negative feedback loop and will try to re-establish equilibrium (kind of like the electronic thermostat in your house).

 

[silverskyline]

Good input guys, I thought it was intresting.

Yeah 150% of natty is not much given you can pin like 400mg - 1000mg of test.

Just given my recent scare with the gynecomastia and or if someone were not going to be able to get their hands on test maybe it might help as a light sup in that area, no more than say creatine or certian added over the counter supps would of course compaired to test.

I'll stick with the 2 weeks of 20 ED for PCT and Dermacrine for now then jump on reg supps like Volumizer, BCAA's, etc

but who knows maybe in the future years down the road if I'm at a pleatu and dont want to gear it may be an option at least.

Glad I got it for PCT knowing more now though to say the least!

 

[littleb]

I actually take nolva for 3-4 weeks for pct, I noticed you are only going to go 2 weeks, bump that another week or two and see if your recovery is any easier 4 you.. and take the natty supps the whole time as well...

 

[silverskyline]

I actually take nolva for 3-4 weeks for pct, I noticed you are only going to go 2 weeks, bump that another week or two and see if your recovery is any easier 4 you.. and take the natty supps the whole time as well...

Alright I'll take it as long as I can. Reason being is I started it 2 weeks ago as it was because I had a bout with a lump in my pec and wanted to get rid of it so after all I will have been on it 4 total just 2 woill be post cycle.

also using dermacrine for 4 weeks so it looks like this

the last 2 weeks of cycle nolva
the 2 weeks after cycle nolva and derm (4 total weeks nolva 2 weeks derm)
the 2 weeks after nolva straight derma (4 total weeks derm)
the 4 weeks after cycle volumizer with creatine, glut, arganine etc / protein / waxy etc

8 wk cycle cyp 200 E3D

 

[GUARDIAN]

Alright I'll take it as long as I can. Reason being is I started it 2 weeks ago as it was because I had a bout with a lump in my pec and wanted to get rid of it so after all I will have been on it 4 total just 2 woill be post cycle.

also using dermacrine for 4 weeks so it looks like this

the last 2 weeks of cycle nolva
the 2 weeks after cycle nolva and derm (4 total weeks nolva 2 weeks derm)
the 2 weeks after nolva straight derma (4 total weeks derm) add nolva here
the 4 weeks after cycle volumizer with creatine, glut, arganine etc / protein / waxy etc

8 wk cycle cyp 200 E3D

^^^^^

littleb's advice is for 4 weeks total of nolva for pct starting 2 weeks after the last shot. so it will be for 6 weeks total for u if u continue running nolva the last 2 weeks of your cycle in addition to the 4 weeks of your pct.

 

[silverskyline]

^^^^^

littleb's advice is for 4 weeks total of nolva for pct starting 2 weeks after the last shot. so it will be for 6 weeks total for u if u continue running nolva the last 2 weeks of your cycle in addition to the 4 weeks of your pct.

Done, I did run it the last 2 weeks I will run it 4 more now that I'm in P C T then.

and take the femera till it's gone...thats going to last a while!

Thanks guys.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

sound about right with the nolva, femara is know to do that also


peace

 

[silverskyline]

just counted 18 pills left that will get me 2.5 weeks. Prolly get my buddy to pick me up another bottle :~/

the dermacrine should last 4 weeks as stated thats a whole bottle I have there.