No Test in the cycle. How effective can it possibly be?

[musclehealth]

I have never done a cycle without throwing in Test. I have been reading alot about people that run no test. How well would EQ work without test? Is it an extreme or not?

SaY...100MG vAR 1-8
------600MG EQ 1-16
------Provirone 50mg ED
------Primo 600mg week.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

It would work just fine. Test is not nessesary in a cycle, just personal prefrance. You will still be able to make some solid gains off that provided your diet is right. Plus, you'll be hard as a rock!

M18

 

[Ulter]

Primo is test based and so it Eq. You won't grow much on that but you will grow some and you won't have any side effects.

 

[musclehealth]

Primo is test based and so it Eq. You won't grow much on that but you will grow some and you won't have any side effects.

I think I will try it out and see what happens.

 

[rykertest]

I just wrote a question to Ulter about this very thing. Bump for more info.

 

[DieselGunz]

why not just a small dose of test to help with gains?

 

[Maffiosa]

I was thinking of running somthing similar once i get my BF down. I've seen some people run var the first 6 weeks and some the last 6 weeks with EQ, is there a diff?
Good post, had a few bro's tell me to throw some test into the mix.

proposed 1st cycle:
600mg of EQ wk 1-18
100mg of var ED 11-16

 

[musclehealth]

How does this look?...Revised with LOW test added.

100MG VAR 12-18
600MG EQ 1-18
Provirone 50mg ED 12-17
Primo 600mg week. (might not use the primo)
Test prop 25mg EOD 1-18
2IU GH 5/2
50mcg t4 ED.

Look good? Is provirone harsh on the liver?

Should I start with the Var or end with the var?

 

[bilter]

I's start with the var, that & the prop even at that low a dose will give you a good start. Keep us informed, I have never tried anything similar (except for a var, primo low dose test c) but I like the look of what you ahve layed out.

 

[Bruce]

i ran it with just proviron and gained phenomenally. 800mg eq ew with 50mg of proviron as needed. i really haven't taken much at all my libido is thru the roof. unlike deca which made me useless. my gains have been awesome especially after week 8

 

[KD1]

How does this look?...Revised with LOW test added.

100MG VAR 12-18
600MG EQ 1-18
Provirone 50mg ED 12-17
Primo 600mg week. (might not use the primo)
Test prop 25mg EOD 1-18
2IU GH 5/2
50mcg t4 ED.

Look good? Is provirone harsh on the liver?

Should I start with the Var or end with the var?

Any 17aa oral will be hard on the liver to some degree. You have a lot of DHT based steroids in there ( Var, Primo, Prov ) - none of them will form estrogen.

I think EQ does to some degree, so that may be enough, but having the test in there should keep your joints and libido ok when not on the proviron.

Anyhow looks good, tell us for sure how your gains are!