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No PCT... Feel fine, good bloodwork. How?

kagenical

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Something really strange has happened to me here. In the past, a var/test cycle has shut me down significantly, and I've had some general issues with libido recovery after/during PCT.

However, this round I was on a light tren/test cycle for about 11 weeks.
250mg Tren-E
500mg Test-E
20mg Dbol (weeks 7-11)
12.5mg Aromasin e3d on cycle. None since last shot.
3g D-Aspartic Acid daily Weeks 4-8, 11-15

I managed to drop around 10lbs of body fat and throw on a solid 10lbs of muscle eating an isocaloric diet, and training heavily. Very happy with the results... Never looked better or been stronger...

However, without a PCT, my recovery has been going swimmingly since my last shot on November 20th. Libido is fine, I'm getting better pumps now than I was towards the end of the cycle. I know the gear was legit as it aggravated my MPB genetics, had some slight gyno itch (until I started Aromasin) and keeping the scale the same for 10 weeks, while losing 5.5% BF would otherwise be impossible for me.

My bloods came back with a T level in the low 500's (450-650 is normal for me having been tested many times), SHBG and LH both in the normal range for me/my age. I'm assuming the D-Aspartic acid has helped with recovery (since it upregulates most steroidal hormones through the STAR enzymatic pathway), but I'm not sure.


In the past, I've tried clomid, nolva, aromasin, HCG on cycle, a single GnRH shot... In various combinations, and never had anything quite like this. I'm worried I may crash soon, since aromasin is known to reduce SBGH, and perhaps my ability to clear the test/tren esters has been reduced accordingly... But I've used it in all my cycles as well, as an AI.

Any insight here? Should I be worried? I have lots of ancillaries on hand, but I'm just not sure what to expect here. Clomid and nolva make me feel like shit, and I'm worried about increasing T too much with clomid, since I have lost a bit more hair since the cycle, and would like to keep my DHT production down.

Cheers!
 
D-aspartic acid is great I have it with bromo-6 on all PCT's. Running it through your cycle obviously played a role on the shut down and recovery of your test levels. It's a case here I would like to know more about as well, but dont recommend people to cycle without a few more supports in cycle and recovery if they indeed are not gonna use clomid. I think I read a post from Stevemi where he has ran with minimum PCT as well, but with stronger cycle support then you ran.....He will obviously chime in on this thread soon.
 
Sure, clomid and nolvadex suck ass. Using nothing is better than using that crap. But you should support your gains with some supps. Not doing so is just silly. It's like training hard and not taking a multi vitamin because you think you don't "need it." It's insurance, can't hurt and can only help. And does.
 
first off you still have remnants of juice in your system if you stopped nov 20. it takes a good 5-6 weeks for it to clear your body.

second off just because you feel good doesn't mean you are recovered. its great you did bloods but its still too early, wait a few more weeks
 
Will do. Don't worry, I have all the ancillaries on hand, and know exactly how to run a proper PCT... But my last cycle had me feeling like all hell as little as 3 weeks after my last shot - and I feel fantastic 6 weeks after this one.

Clomid makes me feel like hell. Nolva makes me feel like garbage. Maybe I'm just enjoying the effects of being ancillary free for a bit. Perhaps when all the esters *are* out of my system, I'll need something else. We shall see. I'm getting bloods every month for an unrelated issue anyways.
 
Will do. Don't worry, I have all the ancillaries on hand, and know exactly how to run a proper PCT... But my last cycle had me feeling like all hell as little as 3 weeks after my last shot - and I feel fantastic 6 weeks after this one.

Clomid makes me feel like hell. Nolva makes me feel like garbage. Maybe I'm just enjoying the effects of being ancillary free for a bit. Perhaps when all the esters *are* out of my system, I'll need something else. We shall see. I'm getting bloods every month for an unrelated issue anyways.

I dont know if I'd wait until you feel like ass to start using your ancilliaries.......
 
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