No more DNP for me - T3 alternative?

[Cuts]

The stuff works, but it really, really makes me feel shitty. Now that warmer weather is here, using DNP is really interfering with my daily life and activities. I've decided to finish off this cycle (2 more days), and then chill out on the DNP till winter. I still have fat to lose though, and unfortunately ECA, Clen, and T4 don't do much for me. What do you guys think about T3? Effectivity vs. DNP? How do you FEEL while you're on it? Do I HAVE to take some AS to hold on to the muscle while I'm on it? I'm 5'9" 185lbs @ around 20% BF. Recommend me a nice 8-10 week fat-loss, muscle maintainence/slight gain cycle. T3, AS, dosages, timings, calories, cardio? Sorry for being such a lazy ass and not searching, but this DNP is really hurtin me . Thanks a lot bros.

 

[Joseph_stalin]

lower your doses. you will still lose a fair amount of weight on 3 mg per kg of DNP daily. at that dose you won't have carb cravings, sweating or feelings of warmth. most people don't at least. i assume you are currently on 6 mg per kg or something like that.
if you end up taking T3, combine that with 3 mg per kg dnp.

 

[2Thick]

I would recommend pyramiding the T3 from 25mcg-75mcg then back down for 4-6 weeks with about 50mg of any test per day.

 

[curling]

Hey you wouldn't send me that dnp would ya? Man I am having a bitch of time finding that stuff.

 

[ORGANON CANON]

Looking at your stats (5'9, 185lbs, 20%bf) tells me that you shouldn't be touching anything. You obviously have not committed yourself to the sport in a manner that will show rewards and are now looking for the quick fix. Your lbm is only about 150lbs. I would suggest learning how to maintain a healthy diet, train intensly and get all these things in order, then after a while you will be ready to move on.

About the t3, it is effective, but you won't be seeing nay results like you would the dnp. It usually gives people headaches, increased temperature, and a feeling of lethargy.

 

[anabolic24/7]

Cuts

Just do a "bulking cycle", but eat very clean. That alone will increase your muscle mass, and lower your body fat. Thus changing your body composition.

 

[Cuts]

Looking at your stats (5'9, 185lbs, 20%bf) tells me that you shouldn't be touching anything. You obviously have not committed yourself to the sport in a manner that will show rewards and are now looking for the quick fix.

Organon, this is going to sound lame, but I have FAT GENETICS. I've been fat (sometimes obese, sometimes just a little chubby) all of my life. I've been lifting hard and doing cardio naturally for 5 years, and only recently started using mild AS. In this time, I've made some decent gains, but the fat has stuck. Just this past summer, I did Body-for-Life (IMO, a great program for fat loss), and I lost a lot of fat and got down to a record low 15%, but I lost a shitload of muscle too! I'm sick and tired of yo-yo ing up and down with fat and muscle. I want to come up with a kick-ass cycle that incorporates effective pharmaceuticals... AS, T3, Clen, ECA, intense weight lifting & cardio, and a clean, low-moderate calorie diet to help me lose this fat once and for all! I won't quit until I fulfill my goal of getting six-pack.

 

[PimpnAintEasy]

You are getting good advice. Your only carrying around ~145 lbs. of LBM, & I imagine your frame is not "slight" if you have been obese before. If you lost 20 lbs. bringing you to 165, and did not lose any muscle (not probable) you still would not see your abs. You really need to add LBM to achieve your goal unless you want to torture yourself to reach a point that you will almost definitely not be at for long. Bodybuilding has a lot of paradoxes and your case will be another one, bulk up if you want to see your abs. Drop the extreme fat loss methods for now, Keep you diet clean, be thankful you have a knowledge of AS, and hit the weights hard.

 

[Cuts]

Bodybuilding has a lot of paradoxes and your case will be another one, bulk up if you want to see your abs. Drop the extreme fat loss methods for now, Keep you diet clean, be thankful you have a knowledge of AS, and hit the weights hard.

I follow what you're saying dude, but I just don't think my metabolism works like that. I put on fat a lot easier than muscle, and lose it much slower. There's gotta be some kind of fat-loss-lean-muscle-gain (not a lot, but some) cycle out there...

 

[Pup'nIrn]

What the Bro's are saying CUTS is.... Yes there are fat loss cycles that increase lean muscle mass only but you need much more mucle for your frame in general. Fat loss cycles generally yeild very low muscle gains because of the undue stress of losing fat at the same time. I also suggest you focus on building good size first. You need more muscle to sustain a higher metabolism anyway.

You might also get your hormone levels checked by your personal doctor because it sounds as though your estrogen levels are too high naturally if you gain fat that easily. Most people over look estrogen when it comes to weight loss.

Most of all, Remember nothing worth having is easy.

 

[PimpnAintEasy]

I follow what you're saying dude, but I just don't think my metabolism works like that. I put on fat a lot easier than muscle, and lose it much slower. There's gotta be some kind of fat-loss-lean-muscle-gain (not a lot, but some) cycle out there...

Your metabolism will remain slow, in fact will slow further with your current gameplan. The most effective way to increase metabolism is to add muscle. Muscle is a much more effecient fuel burner than any other form of tissue. The more muscle you carry, the more efficient your body will become at burning fuel. If you add 25-40 lbs. of LBM, I can almost guarantee you will not be at much or any higher a BF% level than you are now, more than likely lower. At that point, fat burning will become much more efficient than what you are experiencing now, and DNP, etc. will be of much more use to you. With AS, adding mass does not necessarily mean getting fat. Try a Test/dbol or winny/EQ stack, eat clean, throw in some clen/clomid at the end and lift hard. Maybe follow a couple months after with a cutting stack to include Fina and/or Anavar. It isn't as far away or difficult as you may think.

 

[Wraith]

Hey Cuts,
I am with you on this, meaning I understand. I don't have the training behind me that you do and prolly not the AS knowledge. I have been investigating T3 though. It scares me a little because I read alot about not cycling it right and then being fucked up for life. But so far what I have learned is that you must cycle it with some test or you will lose muscle by the truck load. I am thinking along the lines of using Primo/whinny/test with T3. But I also agree with pimpn, gaining lbm first is key. Abs can show much better through higher bf% if they are built up. Anyway good luck to you

 

[ORGANON CANON]

Organon, this is going to sound lame, but I have FAT GENETICS. I've been fat (sometimes obese, sometimes just a little chubby) all of my life. I've been lifting hard and doing cardio naturally for 5 years,

I'm not trying to flame you, but if you have been working out for 5 years "hard" then you definitly don't know what your doing either diet or training wise. Like I said, you only have 150lbs of lbm which is nothing to brag about after 5 years so you say. You won't benifit from anything if you don't learn how to manipulate your diet and training. I'm not trying to piss you off, rather I just don't want you to waste alll your money for minimum results.

 

[Cuts]

How's this look?

I just came up with it. 8 weeks: Primo @ 300mg/week, Winny @ 50mg eod, alternating 4 Clens/day with 3 ECA/day every 2 weeks, and T3 tapering up down from 1-4 tabs every 6 days or so. Intense cardio for 30 minutes everyday upon rising. Lifting 4-5 afternoons/week. 2500cal/day for a 40/40/20 split. What do ya'll think? I also have some Deca, EQ, Sust, D-bols, Nolvs, Provirons, and Arimidex.

 

[PimpnAintEasy]

Re: How's this look?

I just came up with it:
Week***D-bol***EQ***Primo***Winny***T3***Clen***ECA

Not bad, but if you have body composition problems, nothing beats Test in moving you in the right direction. Personally, I would go Test/Dbol/EQ (maybe 25mcg T3 & clen/clomid @the end) and then follow 8 wks later with Test/Winny/Primo or Fina/ T3/Clen. You really oughta consider a 2 cycle approach, and you should have dramatic body composition changes at the end, if you give the mass cycle a chance. I know it will feel like a departure for you to try to add mass, but consider this, every pro BB who competes at under 4% BF, will have done a mass cycle at some point in the year.

 

[Cuts]

Hey Pimpin

Revised my cycle plan. What do you think about that?

 

[Wombat]

Not a flame but I dont believe you have fat genes---I think you ate like shit all your life and your body has come accustom to it! You now have to change the way your body thinks and their is no pill that is going to help you-------Eat clean --Eat often--and Eat low carbs because you are very carb sensitive---That is all you have been eating all your life-----Bring your protein upwards of 300 grams a day---carbs 2 to 3 times a day at no more then 40 grams per meal and fat twice a day at no more then 20 grams per serving---drink 2 gallons of water a day----- Get a knowledgable trainer at the gym and have him show you the right techs for how to lift-------Train each bodypart once a week and dont train more then 5 days straight-----When you start to lose alot of weight dont worry about losing muscle because at 300grams of protein (you wont) Your head will tell you that you are losing to fast or much but dont buy into it-----Remember their is no magic pill, not for what you want to do-----And stay away from the gear until you know how how to eat!

 

[The Iron Game]

T3 will never compare to dnp, but as you has stated the sides are much more easy on the body. How about trying 3 day cycles of dnp at 4-600mgs/day. You will still notice results but it wont build up for long enough to really give you that shitty feeling

 

[Cuts]

Wombat, Iron, thanks for the input. I appreciate it. Iron, I'm done with DNP for a while man... I got my USMLE Step 1 exam coming up soon, and I gotta hit the books hard; I don't have time to sweat and feel like shit sitting in front of my fan all day long. I can't even go outside (it's like 85 degrees) without becoming drenched with sweat. I'll save what I have left for winter. T3 sounds good to me... I can simulataneously use it and maintain some semblance of a normal life. Cycle's gonna start Monday. Thanks again for the advice.